tOfficial 2008 Football Recruiting Thread

ERR · 10-27-2007, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Natron the Spartan

Agreed. In time, they'll start branching out, Florida and Texas for instance, but for the time being there are so many really good players in Michigan and Ohio that we can really build a good team by staying local. Once we're competing for championships, we'll get the big boys in the south, but the time being I like this tactic a lot.

No argument. JLS certainly didn't do this very successfully. I think Dantonio truly understands the Big 10 in ways JLS never did.

SpartanGA · 10-29-2007, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Natron the Spartan

Agreed. In time, they'll start branching out, Florida and Texas for instance, but for the time being there are so many really good players in Michigan and Ohio that we can really build a good team by staying local. Once we're competing for championships, we'll get the big boys in the south, but the time being I like this tactic a lot.

tactic or coincidence? I do not have the inside knowledge of

strategy and if he is focusing highly on smaller areas rather than shotgun further away.

I just want solid players, from MI, OH or CA, FL...just get them to come here and be effective.

Sure it will be easier as a more solid program to go to CA,FL but we could get the better players from MI,OH at that point also.

There is much work to do at this point on this recruiting class. I am hopeful of some surprises.

lostwarder · 10-29-2007, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Baber

What it really means is that we have little relevence on the national scene and no one would move a 1000 miles to play here.

why do fans keep saying this like its a surprise? We have been a laughing stock for 40 years minus a few good runs here and there. We havent been relevant in a long frickin time.

MichState04 · 10-29-2007, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by lostwarder

why do fans keep saying this like its a surprise? We have been a laughing stock for 40 years minus a few good runs here and there. We havent been relevant in a long frickin time.

That is not true. If you have an offer from Florida Atlantic or MSU, you are probably going to want to play for MSU.

Golfnut · 10-29-2007, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Baber

If you only have an offer to play for FA or MSU I don't want you to play for MSU. Who is the last guy we got from, let's say, Georgia and his offers were from Florida, Georgia, LSU, OSU and MSU? UM gets guys in this situation every year. They are relevant, we are not.

UM is a national program. MSU is a regional program.

MichState04 · 10-29-2007, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Baber

If you only have an offer to play for FA or MSU I don't want you to play for MSU. Who is the last guy we got from, let's say, Georgia and his offers were from Florida, Georgia, LSU, OSU and MSU? UM gets guys in this situation every year. They are relevant, we are not.

WE ARE NOT UM

Polynikes · 10-29-2007, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Baber

If you only have an offer to play for FA or MSU I don't want you to play for MSU. Who is the last guy we got from, let's say, Georgia and his offers were from Florida, Georgia, LSU, OSU and MSU? UM gets guys in this situation every year. They are relevant, we are not.

What exactly are you trying to achieve with your last several posts?

If you are trying to tell us that MSU has a long ways to go, well, thanks.

Got it.

Otherwise, the rest of that crap is just kicking a dog when it's down.

Polynikes · 10-29-2007, 11:39 AM

Good to hear.

No, I don't think the 5 stars are beating down MSU's door: yet.

However, give me a 3 star who bleeds Green and is willing to work over a 4 star from a sexy out of state location any day of the week.

Springfield Duvel · 10-29-2007, 11:51 AM

I thought about writing something here but since I don't know squat about recruiting and since I think Dantonio is doing a good job the I won't.

Ozymandias · 10-29-2007, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Baber

If you only have an offer to play for FA or MSU I don't want you to play for MSU. Who is the last guy we got from, let's say, Georgia and his offers were from Florida, Georgia, LSU, OSU and MSU? UM gets guys in this situation every year. They are relevant, we are not.

You're a ****ing idiot

MichState04 · 10-29-2007, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Baber

Sorry to hurt your feelings. Substitute OSU, LSU, Florida....for um in my last post.

1. There are elite programs (like the ones you have listed above)
2. There are great programs like Texas, Nebraska (most years), Penn State, West Virginia, Florida State, Auburn, Alabama
3. There are decent programs like Wisconsin, Purdue, Louisville,
4. There are average to slightly below average programs like Arizona, Kentucky, Iowa, Northwestern
5. There are subpar programs like Indiana, Baylor, Duke, Rice

Where do you think MSU falls? In the 90's I would have said #3, now we are #4. We need to shoot to get back to #3. If Dantonio can do that, he will be a success at MSU. He needs time to get us to that. The only way you ever fire Dantonio is if he takes us down to #5 which is what JLS was on the verge of doing. I truly believe that Dantonio will have us bowling again by '09

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MiamiSpartan · 10-29-2007, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Scully60

A few years back there was a "Spartan Pride" on the M Live board that really knew what he was talking about. The latest version doesn't know jack.

Of course the other Spartan Pride knew more about MSU's recruiting and the inner-workings of the MSU football program than anyone who has EVER posted on here, mlive, spartanmag, or scout (at least among those who have posted about such things).

He probably has some good insight on Illinois these days.

Natron the Spartan · 10-30-2007, 04:04 PM

Free article on SpartanMag:

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Michigan State lost to Iowa on Saturday in a game that more so than any other this year showed just what positions the Spartans need to address in recruiting. Watching an Iowa team that has been hurt by injuries and discipline suspensions out play the Spartans in a pivotal second half was partly an issue of talent in the two deeps. Talent in the two-deeps is a direct reflection of past recruiting success.

SpartanMag.com - Iowa game shows recruiting needs

clocker · 10-30-2007, 05:32 PM

Steve Gardiner has this kid gottin an offer yet???

Spartan Pride · 10-30-2007, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by clocker

Steve Gardiner has this kid gottin an offer yet???

I'm realitivly certain he hasnt as he said he was waiting on us and OSU to offer to commit. Just because Rivals.com puts him as a 3 star dosen't mean the kid is better than some of the other kids that actually have offers.

clocker · 10-30-2007, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Spartan Pride

I'm realitivly certain he hasnt as he said he was waiting on us and OSU to offer to commit. Just because Rivals.com puts him as a 3 star dosen't mean the kid is better than some of the other kids that actually have offers.

i couldnt care less about the star rating i was just looking at his size/speed and our need for LBs

6'1'' 4.45 a pretty quick shuttle - not to bad on paper

Old Hort · 10-30-2007, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Spartan Pride

I'm realitivly certain he hasnt as he said he was waiting on us and OSU to offer to commit. Just because Rivals.com puts him as a 3 star dosen't mean the kid is better than some of the other kids that actually have offers.

This is the problem with recruiting websites -- we see the stars, become enamored, and then question why certain players are not recruited. Hence, we inherently believe that the recruiting services know more than our coaches. Look, if we offered, and got verbals from, Drew Stevens and J. Williams at LB, and not Gardiner, doesn't that mean that Gardiner is probably a plan C at best. Also, that means that the coaching staff likes these two 2 stars, better than Gardiner, a 3 or 4 star (per Rivals and Scout). However, if Gardiner commits after all our other LB options fall, people will be saying hallelujah, we finally got a good LB, thus putting more faith in Jeremy Crabtree or Bob Lichtenfels than

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MrMojoRisin · 10-30-2007, 05:50 PM

Gardiner was offered I believe by West Virginia and I think Pitt. That helped him become a 3 star IMO before he actually went to most of the summer camps. If his Senior year film is good more schools will offer. Remember he may be a better fit in another style of defense and some 2 star kids may be better suited to play what Narduzzi and Dantonio want.

nanani010 · 10-30-2007, 09:16 PM

I know 4 star center hanni Stevens is but who else?? I hope Mark Ingram and Nick Perry are in attendence.

spartan80 · 10-30-2007, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Spartan Pride

I'm realitivly certain he hasnt as he said he was waiting on us and OSU to offer to commit. Just because Rivals.com puts him as a 3 star dosen't mean the kid is better than some of the other kids that actually have offers.

He's around 205 lbs, which is where Misch is, and that's light for a BT LB. How much bulk can you put on a kid? Second, MSU's LB problems don't allow for time to bulk the kid up. Seems like his weight makes him a project and MSU would still need to find a LB or two who will be ready to hit the gridiron playing.

spartan80 · 10-30-2007, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by nanani010

I know 4 star center hanni Stevens is but who else?? I hope Mark Ingram and Nick Perry are in attendence.

Think that's Hamani.

clocker · 10-30-2007, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by spartan80

He's around 205 lbs, which is where Misch is, and that's light for a BT LB. How much bulk can you put on a kid? Second, MSU's LB problems don't allow for time to bulk the kid up. Seems like his weight makes him a project and MSU would still need to find a LB or two who will be ready to hit the gridiron playing.

i would say 20/25lbs