tOfficial 2008 Football Recruiting Thread

[bpmcgant]

Originally Posted by TheDoctorIsIn

You can't win with 3 star talent.

Yours Truly,
Kansas

You can win with 4 and 5 star talent

Yours Truely,
USC, Texas, Florida, OSU

[msuferd]

Originally Posted by DantonIzzo

If you were Ingram, would you go to MSU because it was expected of you and because you were a legacy recruit, or would you commit to a place where you'd have a legitimate chance of starting from day one?

As I've said before, it's bad timing with him and I wouldn't be surprised at all if he chose Iowa. That doesn't mean this staff -- especially the one who spent December preparing for a bowl game instead of hitting the recruiting trail like Iowa's because they had nothing better to do -- gets "outworked" for his services.

I'd expect our coaching staff to be able to sell him that after Ringer leaves, in one year, that the position will be wide open for him to win. It's close to home & he's a legacy. I wouldn't think it's that hard of a sell, and I expect he'll be a Spartan.

[JBSpartan4life]

Originally Posted by m_sell31

Blueberry muffin for sure win over Rouse ad Decker.

RB is not even remotely a concern, TE is the big concern.

why the f are you hating on Rouse? He played well at times this year and he's only a red-shirt frosh? He cant improve? Gordon and Jones are both very good players.

[JBSpartan4life]

Originally Posted by DantonIzzo

You're right -- we're "only" losing Saint-Dic (stats speak for themselves), Baldwin (best defensive player on the team), Davis (at times a DE), Thornhill (not for talent, but experience), Tabachnick (laugh if you must, but he was huge the last two games), Key (captain, emotional leader) and Warrick (heavy hitter, but probably the most replaceable). Why wouldn't the D be significantly better?

second year in the system, johnny adams, bryden trawic, Trevor Anderson and the continued development of younger players like AJ,Wilson,Pickleman,rucker,jones,rouse,mj and Gordon

[TheDoctorIsIn]

Originally Posted by bpmcgant

You can win with 4 and 5 star talent

Yours Truely,
USC, Texas, Florida, OSU

You don't become those programs overnight.

Best Wishes,
Reality

[Ozymandias]

Originally Posted by Scully60

Ishmyl Johnson will more than likely beat out Brandon Long for the other DE position.

The same Ish Johnson that hasn't been practicing all year? That guy?

[OPSpartan]

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Originally Posted by m_sell31

I don't like to say it and thats the only position on the whole team I would say that about. but the inside linebacker position currently consists of Decker and Rouse, and they both make good deep depth, but neither should ever start a for a big 10 team. Decker and the Wr from NY, Oquendo were probably the only two JLS recruits that I said were MAC level. they were filler and had no business being recruited by us. Decker sounded like a good kid, smart and a team player type, but he should have been a prefered walk on.

I really think we need someone bigger than Jones or Gordon inside. Gordan iside and Jones and Misch on the outsides is one small set of starting LB's. The position is a weekness, period. I'm just being realistic.

Decker had a GT offer out of HS, I think John Tenuta might know a thing or two more about LB talent than you do.

[Gods03]

Originally Posted by Ozymandias

The same Ish Johnson that hasn't been practicing all year? That guy?

Well, neither has Trevor Anderson...

I say Long will start for sure.

[Martin Spartan]

Originally Posted by Scully60

We have way too much coming back for next season to "struggle". Sorry, but that is a hard sell (get it m_sell31?) that Thornhill, Warrick, St. Dik, Baldwin, and Nwagbuo are irreplaceable.

Trevor Anderson was All-Big East defensive end. Ishmyl Johnson will more than likely beat out Brandon Long for the other DE position. OG Nwagbuo can't be replaced by Antonio Jeremiah, Oren Wilson, or Michael Jordan? Justin Kershaw is back.

Seriously, were you impressed with that tackling of Thornhill during his career? Do you think he covered a lot of field with that 4.7 40 speed? How does he become irreplaceable? Eric Gordon and Greg Jones are back. You can poo poo true freshman all you want, but where would our defense have been without the contributions of true freshman Greg Jones. There is no reason another freshman linebacker couldn't do the same thing.

DB's. We have a ton of potential players here. I happen to think CL Rucker will be an outstanding corner before he leaves. His freshman year was a good learning experience for him. Wiley is back. I think Rod Jenerette can fill in well for Warrick. You may see playing time from guys like Burrell or Trawick. Davis-Clark, Weaver, and Henderson are back at corner as well.

Offensively, I have only one concern and that is the offensive line positions. I think Rousher did a bang-up job teaching the group to run-block, and I think guys like Ceroni, Moss. and Bacon can fill-in nicely next to Nitchman, Martin, and Miller. I see no significant drop-off here.

We are loaded at receiver. We will not have a problem finding good receivers between Dell, Curry, Cunningham, Smith, and B. White.

Our running game will be good. Ringer is back and Caulcrick will be replaced by Anderson, Ray, or Ingram. I'm sorry, but this "thunder and lightening" backfield is not irreplaceable.

Hoyer will have one full year of playing experience under his belt. He will be much more consistent next season.

The greatest reason we will not struggle next year is because the players have one more year in the system. They now know what to do, and can play with confidence.

Hey, your entitled to your opinion, but I'm not going to hit the Kool-Aid as hard as you man. I still say we lose to much. I know we lose players every year, and someone new has to step up. But is not bringing in many JUNCO's for immediate help so we will be playing a lot of inexperienced sophomores, redshirt freshmen, and true freshmen in some very important spots. We are very young, you can't argue with that. I think 6-6 is to be expected, 7-5 with a bowl game is a success 8-5 if we can win the bowl game.

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Jehuu Caulcrick
Probably replaceable but a big loss.

Devin Thomas, Kellen Davis, Eric Andino
In DT and KFD we lose over 50% of our passing O I believe I read. We have numbers at WR but DT isnt going to be replaced by a True freshmen, or Redshirt Freshmen player in year one. There will be a drop off. TE position is pretty much decimated.

Mike Gyetvai, Pete Clifford, John Masters, Kenny Shane
Not an all-star group but 4 players who played a lot for us this season. Very questionable depth for next season on the O-line

D
Jonal Saint-Dic, Ervin Baldwin, Ogemdi Nwagbuo
Thats 3/4 our starting DL

SirDarean Adams, Rob Tabatchnick, Kaleb Thornhill
3 of our top 6 or 7 LB's who all started at some point during the season. Replacement are pretty much all guys who have yet to play a down or true freshmen.

Travis Key, Nehemiah Warrick
These two are probably the most replaceable but still a pair of starters.

[OPSpartan]

Originally Posted by m_sell31

I like Big M just fine but here is an update on who posts in the official MSU recruiting thread...

Who Posted?
Total Posts: 4,559

User Name Posts
Big M 217
Spartan Pride 202
nat006 173
AASpartan 150
fw190bvi 148
Golfnut 127
Ozymandias 109
OPSpartan 108
spartaspartan 100

2 wolvies in the top 6, pathetic.

[TeamCaptainJohn]

Originally Posted by OPSpartan

2 wolvies in the top 6, pathetic.

little brother?

[DantonIzzo]

Originally Posted by OPSpartan

d
Decker had a GT offer out of HS, I think John Tenuta might know a thing or two more about LB talent than you do.

I don't know -- Tenuta, m_sell, Tenuta, m_sell....

[Eli Broads #1 Fan]

Originally Posted by DantonIzzo

As long as our fanbase doesn't get spoiled by the consistency, I think will deliver a lot of 7-5/8-4 type seasons with decent bowl games. Sometimes better, but very rarely worse. Kids who never quit and play hard.

I don't expect MSU to ever become a traditional championship contender, but considering our track record, could really make us more competitive than we've been on a regular basis in a long, long time. That's in my book, but some unrealistic Spartans may wonder why the trophies and BCS games aren't rolling in on a yearly basis.

If Kansas, Missouri, Arizona State and Cal can become national championship contenders there is absolutely no reason that MSU can't. Keep in mind all 4 of those schools have arguably weaker programs than us over the past 50 years but controlled their national championship destiny at one point this year. I'm not saying that we will become the next USC but there's no reason that we can't compete for NC's over the next 10-20 years.

[Martin Spartan]

Originally Posted by OPSpartan

d
Decker had a GT offer out of HS, I think John Tenuta might know a thing or two more about LB talent than you do.

Originally Posted by DantonIzzo

I don't know -- Tenuta, m_sell, Tenuta, m_sell....

So you guys feel good about Decker being #2 at MLB?

[DantonIzzo]

Originally Posted by Eli Broad

If Kansas, Missouri, Arizona State and Cal can become national championship contenders there is absolutely no reason that MSU can't. Keep in mind all 4 of those schools have arguably weaker programs than us over the past 50 years but controlled their national championship destiny at one point this year. I'm not saying that we will become the next USC but there's no reason that we can't compete for NC's over the next 10-20 years.

Consistently, or in a perfect storm-type season?

[spartanmad]

Originally Posted by Eli Broad

If Kansas, Missouri, Arizona State and Cal can become national championship contenders there is absolutely no reason that MSU can't. Keep in mind all 4 of those schools have arguably weaker programs than us over the past 50 years but controlled their national championship destiny at one point this year. I'm not saying that we will become the next USC but there's no reason that we can't compete for NC's over the next 10-20 years.

Every team controls their destiny for national championships every year

[OPSpartan]

Originally Posted by m_sell31

So you guys feel good about Decker being #2 at MLB?

He's only a sophomore, but it's comforting to know that your sure he sucks and is walk on material. Wonder what your opinion of Jonal St Dic was going into this yr, you probably would've refused him walkon status.

[Martin Spartan]

Originally Posted by OPSpartan

He's only a sophomore, but it's comforting to know that your sure he sucks and is walk on material. Wonder what your opinion of Jonal St Dic was going into this yr, you probably would've refused him walkon status.

So he is a 4th year Junior next season. How much did he playing during his redshirt freshmen and sophomore years?

[Floyd170]

Originally Posted by spartanmad

Every team controls their destiny for national championships every year

Yeah but not many do it in the last couple weeks of the season.

[Gary in Bradenton]

Originally Posted by Scully60

We have way too much coming back for next season to "struggle". Sorry, but that is a hard sell (get it m_sell31?) that Thornhill, Warrick, St. Dik, Baldwin, and Nwagbuo are irreplaceable.

Trevor Anderson was All-Big East defensive end. Ishmyl Johnson will more than likely beat out Brandon Long for the other DE position. OG Nwagbuo can't be replaced by Antonio Jeremiah, Oren Wilson, or Michael Jordan? Justin Kershaw is back.

Seriously, were you impressed with that tackling of Thornhill during his career? Do you think he covered a lot of field with that 4.7 40 speed? How does he become irreplaceable? Eric Gordon and Greg Jones are back. You can poo poo true freshman all you want, but where would our defense have been without the contributions of true freshman Greg Jones. There is no reason another freshman linebacker couldn't do the same thing.

DB's. We have a ton of potential players here. I happen to think CL Rucker will be an outstanding corner before he leaves. His freshman year was a good learning experience for him. Wiley is back. I think Rod Jenerette can fill in well for Warrick. You may see playing time from guys like Burrell or Trawick. Davis-Clark, Weaver, and Henderson are back at corner as well.

Offensively, I have only one concern and that is the offensive line positions. I think Rousher did a bang-up job teaching the group to run-block, and I think guys like Ceroni, Moss. and Bacon can fill-in nicely next to Nitchman, Martin, and Miller. I see no significant drop-off here.

We are loaded at receiver. We will not have a problem finding good receivers between Dell, Curry, Cunningham, Smith, and B. White.

Our running game will be good. Ringer is back and Caulcrick will be replaced by Anderson, Ray, or Ingram. I'm sorry, but this "thunder and lightening" backfield is not irreplaceable.

Hoyer will have one full year of playing experience under his belt. He will be much more consistent next season.

The greatest reason we will not struggle next year is because the players have one more year in the system. They now know what to do, and can play with confidence.

First of all its not uncommon for LB's to have an impact as freshmen just like Jones did. Happens a fair amount at other schools and used to happen a lot back in the day at MSU.

I agree about Rucker. Injuries limited his growth a little this year. Needs to bone up on technique a little but he learned a lot as a Fr. and showed he does have talent.

Jenrette can hit the hell out of people, hopefully he can become good in coverage too. I like him.

We have 4 capable RB's and one of them is Ringer, no concerns there.

I am concerned about WR. Lots of talent there but it now will need to step up big time.

Love the DL, think it will be better this coming season with Johnson and Anderson.

[Havoq]

Originally Posted by spartanmad

Every team controls their destiny for national championships every year

Nope.


Signed,


Hawaii

[Ybob]

Originally Posted by Havoq

Nope.


Signed,


Hawaii

Yeah, sucks being them. All they had to do was beat some local high school teams and get a bid to the BCS.

[OPSpartan]

Originally Posted by m_sell31

So he is a 4th year Junior next season. How much did he playing during his redshirt freshmen and sophomore years?

2yrs under JLS (who is poison to the LB position)and one learning a new system undr MD and you can't understand why he hasn't been a stud. How did Jonal St Dic do in his rs Jr season last yr? Or Devin Thomas?

[SpartanRocky]

Originally Posted by Gods03

Well, neither has Trevor Anderson...

I say Long will start for sure.

Wrong, Anderson was allowed to practice all season, just wasn't allowed to play on gamedays.

[Floyd170]

Originally Posted by SpartanRocky

Wrong, Anderson was allowed to practice all season, just wasn't allowed to play on gamedays.

And apparently he's a beast. I'm not sure who said it, maybe Thornhill, but they had very good things to say about him.