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For those of you who are theorizing that a silent Perry commit is scaring off LB recruits, (please please please), let me ask you something:
Suppose Perry told MD he wanted to come to State Tuesday. What does MD do?
1. Leak the news right away -- Good PR, but you run the risk of Perry's other suitors putting on the full-court press between now and Feb. 6.
2. Keep it quiet -- Makes Perry's other suitors waste time and effort, but you lose the PR boost with other recruits.
Would you keep it quiet in order to have a big splash closer to signing day? Would you tell other recruits at the same position to go ahead and look elsewhere? MD has shown to be a man of high moral fiber, so it wouldn't surprise me if he would do this under those circumstances, but it sure seems a little risky. If Perry changes his mind or gets snatched away, we've got no plan B.
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01-17-2008, 09:56 PM
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The whole "Perry is a silent verbal so that's why no other LBs are interested" idea is a pile of crap. Perry has more visits left, he isn't close to being a silent verbal anywhere. If anyone is a silent verbal, it's Ingram.
Gut instinct says Perry comes to MSU....but I'm leery of the trip to USC. Pete Carroll could sell Viagra to Peter North.
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01-17-2008, 10:02 PM
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The whole "Perry is a silent verbal so that's why no other LBs are interested" idea is a pile of crap. Perry has more visits left, he isn't close to being a silent verbal anywhere. If anyone is a silent verbal, it's Ingram.
Gut instinct says Perry comes to MSU....but I'm leery of the trip to USC. Pete Carroll could sell Viagra to Peter North. |
Perry isn't even going to be a LB. And you're not worried about UM at all?
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01-17-2008, 10:03 PM
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Pete Carroll could sell Viagra to Peter North.
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01-17-2008, 10:06 PM
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I don't think the lack of LBs in this class will be an immediate issue, and considering two staple starters are sophomores, it won't be for a while (other than potential depth problems). I really like Jamhiir Williams, too.
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01-17-2008, 10:08 PM
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Perry isn't even going to be a LB. And you're not worried about UM at all?
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I'm not worried about UM as much as I am about USC. USC is a pro factory. They are LA's pro football franchise, they have so much talent.
He's gonna play some OLB and DE hybrid, that's my prediction. At least, if he comes to MSU.
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01-17-2008, 10:12 PM
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I'm not worried about UM as much as I am about USC. USC is a pro factory. They are LA's pro football franchise, they have so much talent.
He's gonna play some OLB and DE hybrid, that's my prediction. At least, if he comes to MSU. |
I was really worried about USC, but UM guys have been saying for a while that Perry seems like a kid who will stay closer to home.
We'll see
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01-17-2008, 10:15 PM
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wheres the problem? we can't get a linebacker to save our life? I love Williams but we need more than that. I have my opinion and so do you. I don't like what you have to say and spin machine to make everything happy and sunny but I don't comment on it.
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there's currently 3 on the commitment list (williams,Stevens and Winston)
Ohio recruiting guru Duane long has Williams as a top 20 player in the state of Ohio, Winstons a phenomenal prospect.
but you're the ****ing expert here? The first Linebacker  signed is an All American but what the **** does he know right?
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01-17-2008, 10:16 PM
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One game difference in record isn't enough to change their minds. One game doesn't change the depth chart, doesn't change the experiences on campus, doesn't change the relationship with the coaches.
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Completely disagree! Most of the kids aren't thinking 1 game difference. They're looking at 7 - 6 and thinking barely a winning record, where if they were looking at 8 - 5 they'd be thinking:
A) They won their last three games.
B) They beat a team that was ranked #2 earlier in the season, after coming back against PSU.
C) They're on the verge of being a really good team that could easily win 9 or 10 games next year.
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01-17-2008, 10:18 PM
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there's currently 3 on the commitment list (williams,Stevens and Winston)
Ohio recruiting guru Duane long has Williams as a top 20 player in the state of Ohio, Winstons a phenomenal prospect.
but you're the ****ing expert here? The first Linebacker signed is an All American but what the **** does he know right? |
I thought that I saw on here that Winston was going to play RB.  I was surprised by that because it seems like he would fill a similar role as Leggett. Any chance that Leggett moves to FB or LB?
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01-17-2008, 10:21 PM
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Completely disagree! Most of the kids aren't thinking 1 game difference. They're looking at 7 - 6 and thinking barely a winning record, where if they were looking at 8 - 5 they'd be thinking:
A) They won their last three games.
B) They beat a team that was ranked #2 earlier in the season, after coming back against PSU.
C) They're on the verge of being a really good team that could easily win 9 or 10 games next year.
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Like I said, that doesn't change any of the relationships they have built with the coaches and players.
If records matter so much to all the recruits, then Illinois and North Carolina wouldn't have gotten top-notch talent last year.
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01-17-2008, 10:24 PM
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I thought that I saw on here that Winston was going to play RB. I was surprised by that because it seems like he would fill a similar role as Leggett. Any chance that Leggett moves to FB or LB? |
Not a chance WInston is a RB for us, at least at any consistant level.
Ingram (if he commits) is our RB of the future.
2008 RBs
Ringer
Jimmerson
Anderson
Leggett
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In other words...we have plenty. I could see him being used as a situation back...
Leggett = Jehu
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01-17-2008, 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Ozymandias
The whole "Perry is a silent verbal so that's why no other LBs are interested" idea is a pile of crap. Perry has more visits left, he isn't close to being a silent verbal anywhere. If anyone is a silent verbal, it's Ingram.
Gut instinct says Perry comes to MSU....but I'm leery of the trip to USC. Pete Carroll could sell Viagra to Peter North. |
I think you're probably right. I meant my questions more from a strategy standpoint. What should MD do in that situation, regardless of who the high-profile commit is?
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01-17-2008, 10:27 PM
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I think you're probably right. I meant my questions more from a strategy standpoint. What should MD do in that situation, regardless of who the high-profile commit is?
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Whatever Perry asked him to do. Period. Keep your word. That's why we have a guy like Dantonio.
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01-17-2008, 10:29 PM
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I think you're probably right. I meant my questions more from a strategy standpoint. What should MD do in that situation, regardless of who the high-profile commit is?
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I would want Perry to go public and maybe sway recruits like Ingram.
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01-17-2008, 10:30 PM
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Perry isn't even going to be a LB. And you're not worried about UM at all?
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that is crazy  talk. Perry WILL be a LB wherever he goes. That is what he wants to play and WILL play. Sure, he will play DE as well. If Michigan will not let him play at LB, then UM does not have a chance. Even Josh H. from rivals is worried about msu. This is the ONLY recruit I have ever seen Josh compliment the job msu has done...and he has done more it on more than one occasion.
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01-17-2008, 10:31 PM
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Like I said, that doesn't change any of the relationships they have built with the coaches and players.
If records matter so much to all the recruits, then Illinois and North Carolina wouldn't have gotten top-notch talent last year.
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Records don't matter so much?! Seems a huge reason um gets recruits is record, vs. campus, climate, nice looking girls, or academics. 
Who would go to Lincoln or Norman if they could go to SDSU instead if record doesn't matter?
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01-17-2008, 10:31 PM
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wheres the problem? we can't get a linebacker to save our life? I love Williams but we need more than that. I have my opinion and so do you. I don't like what you have to say and spin machine to make everything happy and sunny but I don't comment on it.
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i'm pretty sure we just picked up winston as well.
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01-17-2008, 10:33 PM
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that is crazy talk. Perry WILL be a LB wherever he goes. That is what he wants to play and WILL play. Sure, he will play DE as well. If Michigan will not let him play at LB, then UM does not have a chance. Even Josh H. from rivals is worried about msu. This is the ONLY recruit I have ever seen Josh compliment the job msu has done...and he has done more it on more than one occasion. |
It'll come down to MSU and UM. And I'm feeling surprisingly good about our chances right now. Which means he'll go to UM.
Oh, and Perry is going to be like Peterson position wise. I think this is clear.
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01-17-2008, 10:33 PM
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Any Word about the other DB from GA, Libscomb?
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01-17-2008, 10:35 PM
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It'll come down to MSU and UM. And I'm feeling surprisingly good about our chances right now. . |
Don't worry, he's just a Plan B recruit for Michigan right now.
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Don't worry, he's just a Plan B recruit for Michigan right now.
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Everyone is plan B for Michigan right now. Their staff is too busy covering up recruiting violations and trying to get out of contracts.
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Everyone is plan B for Michigan right now. Their staff is too busy covering up recruiting violations and trying to get out of contracts. |
Buuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrnnnn
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01-17-2008, 10:38 PM
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It'll come down to MSU and UM. And I'm feeling surprisingly good about our chances right now. Which means he'll go to UM.
Oh, and Perry is going to be like Peterson position wise. I think this is clear. |
And, if that is really the position Perry wants to play, I would be very surprised if hasn't used that comparison in his sales pitch. Especially since he was the one who recruited Julian here in the first place.
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01-17-2008, 10:39 PM
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Any Word about the other DB from GA, Libscomb?
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Probably won't qualify...just like Edet.
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