tOfficial 2008 Football Recruiting Thread

Big M · 01-21-2008, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Spartan Pride

Wait, I thought you guys needed running backs? No?

SCOTTS BLOATED LIVER · 01-21-2008, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Big M

Wait, I thought you guys needed running backs? No?

We are pretty set at RB

Big M · 01-21-2008, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SCOTT'S BLOATED LIVER

We are pretty set at RB

Am I missing someone?

Spartan Pride · 01-21-2008, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Big M

Am I missing someone?

Ringer
Jimmerson
Leggett
Anderson
Ray

TheDoctorIsIn · 01-21-2008, 04:47 PM

We have a lot of RBs, but Ingram is the kind of player you don't turn away. big M is right, he is an important recruit

Topopo · 01-21-2008, 04:47 PM

How crazy would it be to have a 4 star fullback!

AASpartan · 01-21-2008, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Big M

Wait, I thought you guys needed running backs? No?

Nah. Running Back and Wide Receiver are where we're deepest. Next year Ringer/Jimmerson/Anderson/Leggett/Ray will make up our backfield. Ray with the likely redshirt, though. It's tough to make an argument for taking another RB that ISN'T named Mark Ingram Jr.

Big M · 01-21-2008, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Spartan Pride

Ringer
Jimmerson
Leggett
Anderson
Ray

Ok, I'm not counting Ringer since he'll only be there for 1 more year.

Jimmerson, for all the hype, has never really done anything.

And Ingram is a much more highly regarded than the last 3 on that list.

TeamCaptainJohn · 01-21-2008, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Spartan Pride

Ringer
Jimmerson
Leggett
Anderson
Ray

we dont have a white guy that likes to pole vault in shoulder pads, so forgive Big M

Floyd170 · 01-21-2008, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Big M

Am I missing someone?

We could definatley use Ingram. Not that we necessarily NEED him immediately or anything. You can never have too many good RB's. Just look at Grady. Kid was supposed to be a star and he hasn't panned out yet. With our offense the way it is you definately want good competition at RB.

DantonIzzo · 01-21-2008, 04:48 PM

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I try and stay away from that. One thing I will say is I am a bit surprised at how his class has shaped up so far. He really impressed me last year when he got in it for Rojo and Barksdale and landed Jeremiah. With MSU going to a bowl I thought he might have a bit more momentum this year. Of course, still over 2 weeks to go so we'll have to see how it plays out. He HAS to get Ingram.

EDIT- I'm also a bit surprised he hasn't gotten more Ohio kids. He's done better in Michigan so far than I thought he would do, but worse in Ohio.

I guess I like this class. At face value, it may seem kind of ho-hum, and I agree, he hasn't hit Ohio hard. With that being said, I see a lot of potential in a lot of kids, and I really think Jamhiir Williams is going to be a stud.

We'll see between now and signing day. Remember,

has been a better evaluator of underrated/underappreciated talent as a HC vs. getting the "big-name" guys and not doing a whole lot more with them. All of his classes at Cincinnati were rated very low, yet look what UC did this season. I'm not saying Kelly didn't have something to do with that too, but a lot of the kids were

's guys at the core. Whether he has a class that's ranked 25th or 45th when all is said and done, the proof is in what happens on the field, not in the stars (i.e., our '04 class).

Floyd170 · 01-21-2008, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Big M

Ok, I'm not counting Ringer since he'll only be there for 1 more year.

Jimmerson, for all the hype, has never really done anything.

And Ingram is a much more highly regarded than the last 3 on that list.

True but Anderson has received some rave reviews.

Big M · 01-21-2008, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by AASpartan

Nah. Running Back and Wide Receiver are where we're deepest. Next year Ringer/Jimmerson/Anderson/Leggett/Ray will make up our backfield. Ray with the likely redshirt, though. It's tough to make an argument for taking another RB that ISN'T named Mark Ingram Jr.

Hmm. I still don't see anyone on that list who has as much potential as Ingram, but I'll defer to the MSU recruiting guys.

That said, I still think Ingram is a huge recruit.

SCOTTS BLOATED LIVER · 01-21-2008, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Big M

Ok, I'm not counting Ringer since he'll only be there for 1 more year.

Jimmerson, for all the hype, has never really done anything.

And Ingram is a much more highly regarded than the last 3 on that list.

It's more depth than anything. And from what I gather Ingram wants PT right away ...

DantonIzzo · 01-21-2008, 04:50 PM

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I think just from a psychological perspective- a 4 star, in-state legacy kid at a position of need? Dantonio needs to land him. I see what you're saying about the 09 kids, but IMO Ingram is a guy Dantonio must get to get some momentum in-state.

I've said before, though, there's probably no in between with Ingram. He either likes the idea of being a legacy recruit and following in his father's footsteps at MSU or he doesn't. Not sure what

can do about that in this specific instance -- especially when he doesn't have immediate PT to offer him.

EMSP · 01-21-2008, 04:52 PM

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I see the difference just fine, I don't care.

That is public information that they are trying to charge for and I don't respect the "boundaries" or whatever you want to call them. If trevor doesn't want it posted here for fear of a lawsuit then so be it but one way or another I will find out without paying.

TreadHead · 01-21-2008, 04:52 PM

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yeah, hopefully he visits. If he DOES commit, I am warning people that he will NOT be a LB recruit as he is listed. he wants to play the fullback/h back position on offense. That is the only chance we have to get him. He WILL go to a school where he can play that position.

to treadhead: i totally understand. I will be disappointed if we do not get him, but I will not be surprised if we don't. I'm not gonna worry about it. if we get him great, if not it sux, but we'll land some big ones at some point.

to bigm: why do you think state has to land ingram? It would be great if we did, but there are two stellar rbs in michigan next year. caper and the other guy (cant think of his name).

I'm not Big M, but from my perspective, but I'd say the legacy thing is huge. If you can't hold down on of your own legacy guys, that sends a bad message on the recruiting trail and really hurts your perception. It's my opinion (FWIW) that if you lose a legacy guy like Ingram, you REALLY need a good season win-loss wise to make up for it.

AASpartan · 01-21-2008, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Big M

Hmm. I still don't see anyone on that list who has as much potential as Ingram, but I'll defer to the MSU recruiting guys.

That said, I still think Ingram is a huge recruit.

I know that Glen Mason was extremely high on Andre Anderson and the coaches love him too. Leggett will likely be the next short yardage back. Jimmerson really seems to be the odd man out right now.

DantonIzzo · 01-21-2008, 04:52 PM

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That said, I still think Ingram is a huge recruit.

I don't think anyone would argue otherwise, but he's not at a position of "immediate" need (vs. an Iowa, where Ingram could realistically start from day one).

Floyd170 · 01-21-2008, 04:54 PM

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I'm not Big M, but from my perspective, but I'd say the legacy thing is huge. If you can't hold down on of your own legacy guys, that sends a bad message on the recruiting trail and really hurts your perception. It's my opinion (FWIW) that if you lose a legacy guy like Ingram, you REALLY need a good season win-loss wise to make up for it.

I agree. Ingram is a MUST get at this point. We are pushing hard for him and he is a legacy. I do think he will end up in green and white.

DantonIzzo · 01-21-2008, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TreadHead

I'm not Big M, but from my perspective, but I'd say the legacy thing is huge. If you can't hold down on of your own legacy guys, that sends a bad message on the recruiting trail and really hurts your perception. It's my opinion (FWIW) that if you lose a legacy guy like Ingram, you REALLY need a good season win-loss wise to make up for it.

Again, though, if Jr. doesn't like that idea, what can you realistically do about it? If he wants to blaze his own trail and make a name for himself someplace else, that's the way the cookie crumbles. This is a different kind of recruit, considering the ties to MSU. But that isn't always a good thing.

Big M · 01-21-2008, 04:55 PM

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I don't think anyone would argue otherwise, but he's not at a position of "immediate" need (vs. an Iowa, where Ingram could realistically start from day one).

Oh and I'm not saying Perry just because I don't think Dantonio can be expected to land him. Obviously he's the biggest guy on the board in terms of talent and the position he plays, but I'm not going to be disengenuous and say Dantonio failed if he doesn't land Perry.

EMSP · 01-21-2008, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ninowesco

I was with you until the last sentence.

I have no desire to sift through thousands of pages of endless speculation and drivel, I'd rather just wait for you geeks to get done and post the summary here.

Thanks for playing though.

Its called wait for it when hondo announces it then. Man, talk about a cheapskate. You whine that you don't want to pay for 'insider' knowledge of recruits, then you whine when you don't want to wait for the actual player to announce and all of the media will cover it.

How can you live in Chicago being so cheap?

TreadHead · 01-21-2008, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DantonIzzo

Again, though, if Jr. doesn't like that idea, what can you realistically do about it? If he wants to blaze his own trail and make a name for himself someplace else, that's the way the cookie crumbles. This is a different kind of recruit, considering the ties to MSU. But that isn't always a good thing.

I'm not saying there is anything you can do about it. I'm just saying that that's why it really, really, really hurts you if you don't get him.