tOfficial 2008 Football Recruiting Thread

Big M · 06-26-2007, 07:37 PM

Blame the kid for doing that stupid MySpace bullcrap.

Golfnut · 06-26-2007, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Big M

Blame the kid for doing that stupid MySpace bullcrap.

what do you think about McGuffie and Stonum? would getting these two make up for the inevitable losses of Gray and Smith?

Big M · 06-26-2007, 07:45 PM

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what do you think about McGuffie and Stonum? would getting these two make up for the inevitable losses of Gray and Smith?

Uhhhh....yes

Golfnut · 06-26-2007, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Big M

Uhhhh....yes

personally I think that Gray>McGuffie and Smith>Stonum but not by much.

Big M · 06-26-2007, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Golfnut

personally I think that Gray>McGuffie and Smith>Stonum but not by much.

Shocking

Golfnut · 06-26-2007, 07:58 PM

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Shocking

I said not by much. Smith and Stonum are a wash. But McGuffie is white and that already gives Gray the edge.

facehead234 · 06-26-2007, 08:01 PM

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This made me laugh out loud, thank you! I guess we should welcome you to your first year of following recruiting. You might also want to get a calendar because traditionaly everything that MSU gets before the season starts is just gravy. Also, while it sucks that we didn't get him, there will be other LB's to come and go on our radar screen. If you get down over everyone who turns down MSU I sure hope for everyones sake that you live on the ground floor.

Good that you got a laugh.

It's not the 80s, otherwise maybe we can have some Michael Jackson playing, and perhaps bring in some celebs like Tony from Whose the boss?

Instead I'll live in 2007 when all signs (and now articles EVERYWHERE) are pointing to the fact that recruiting has change to an early recruiting game. Early commitments are the name of the game, especially with the 4th toughest schedule (according to CNNSI). We need recruits early to stop the bleeding late. Locking up early recruits such as Yancich would be gravy, and also would be a solid foundation to stay with teams such as the Penn States and Wisconsins of our league.

So instead of saying its ok that Yancich didn't commit he's from Pennsylvania anyways; i'm going to wish that we locked up a solid early commit at a position we need and took away a LB from a rival.

Golfnut · 06-26-2007, 08:04 PM

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Good that you got a laugh.

It's not the 80s, otherwise maybe we can have some Michael Jackson playing, and perhaps bring in some celebs like Tony from Whose the boss?

Instead I'll live in 2007 when all signs (and now articles EVERYWHERE) are pointing to the fact that recruiting has change to an early recruiting game. Early commitments are the name of the game, especially with the 4th toughest schedule (according to CNNSI). We need recruits early to stop the bleeding late. Locking up early recruits such as Yancich would be gravy, and also would be a solid foundation to stay with teams such as the Penn States and Wisconsins of our league.

So instead of saying its ok that Yancich didn't commit he's from Pennsylvania anyways; i'm going to wish that we locked up a solid early commit at a position we need and took away a LB from a rival.

UM didn't get off to a fast start last year and their class turned out fine. If coach D puts out a good product on the field in the fall you will see the commitments come pouring in.

SCOTTS BLOATED LIVER · 06-26-2007, 08:15 PM

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I said not by much. Smith and Stonum are a wash. But McGuffie is white and that already gives Gray the edge.

Boy, you must really kill with your stand up act at the Sizzler every Wednesday night....

Golfnut · 06-26-2007, 08:18 PM

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Boy, you must really kill with your stand up act at the Sizzler every Wednesday night....

How many white Rb's are in the NFL? It's a fact that Gray already has a leg up on McGuffie.

FredLee · 06-26-2007, 08:19 PM

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Good that you got a laugh.

It's not the 80s, otherwise maybe we can have some Michael Jackson playing, and perhaps bring in some celebs like Tony from Whose the boss?

Instead I'll live in 2007 when all signs (and now articles EVERYWHERE) are pointing to the fact that recruiting has change to an early recruiting game. Early commitments are the name of the game, especially with the 4th toughest schedule (according to CNNSI). We need recruits early to stop the bleeding late. Locking up early recruits such as Yancich would be gravy, and also would be a solid foundation to stay with teams such as the Penn States and Wisconsins of our league.

So instead of saying its ok that Yancich didn't commit he's from Pennsylvania anyways; i'm going to wish that we locked up a solid early commit at a position we need and took away a LB from a rival.

Ok, you are correct it is not the 80's. However a team that has been mediocre at best over the last 30+ years with no results on the field recently to prove otherwise isn't likely to get off to a great start. If we are able to land Perry, Smith, Demens and Gray (even a couple of them) we would be off to a good start. All I am saying is that when you make a statement that you hope we can get Demens and that hopefully a sleeper can come through is a really silly statement this early in the recruiting game. I am not sure how long you have followed recruiting but I can give you ten stories of guys who seemed closer to being a

compared a kid who put a couple of Spartan heads on his myspace page with a green background. Oh and by the way I am not that old at all, so I have no idea about recruiting in the 80's except for the fact that we were a little above mediocre then.

chitownsparty86 · 06-26-2007, 08:22 PM

oh well, would have been nice to have but we should be happy to be getting anybody decent. hopefully we will get another Lb down the road. Id prefer we just get some great d-lineman, then u can get by with avg linebackers

staterules · 06-26-2007, 08:44 PM

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Shocking

And how much time have you spent breaking down game film on these kids Einstein?

Golfnut · 06-26-2007, 08:56 PM

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And how much time have you spent breaking down game film on these kids Einstein?

he knows what he is talking about. His opinion just differs from mine when it comes to Gray/Smith and McGuffie/Stonum.

msumess · 06-26-2007, 10:18 PM

speaking of lbs, are we going to get dewey elliott?

ep50 · 06-26-2007, 10:24 PM

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speaking of lbs, are we going to get dewey elliott?

Hasn't qualified, he's currently enrolled in Harmony Prep I believe.

EMSP · 06-26-2007, 10:29 PM

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How many white Rb's are in the NFL? It's a fact that Gray already has a leg up on McGuffie.

Since when did U of M or MSU play in the NFL?

There are plenty of good white RB's in D1. You're right, maybe there aren't many in the NFL, but we're talking about the NCAA here.

Golfnut · 06-26-2007, 10:34 PM

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Since when did U of M or MSU play in the NFL?

There are plenty of good white RB's in D1. You're right, maybe there aren't many in the NFL, but we're talking about the NCAA here.

my point is that Gray is NFL talent and McGuffie isn't. McGuffie is just a white highlight reel. He can bust a big play but that is about it. Gray is solid all around. He is like Mike Hart but better.

Spartan Pride · 06-26-2007, 10:35 PM

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There are plenty of good white RB's in D1.

I am in no way agreeing with Golfnut but...

Name me 5.

chitownsparty86 · 06-26-2007, 10:45 PM

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That's a different point all together........he is a dumba ss for his insinuation.

jeez i cant even name 5 in the last couple years. I can name Brock forsey, brian lenoard who i think was moved to fullback this year anyway for ray rice. I cant name any others in recent memory

Golfnut · 06-26-2007, 10:46 PM

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I am in no way agreeing with Golfnut but...

Name me 5.

I believe you are technically agreeing with me.

Ron Jeremy · 06-26-2007, 11:08 PM

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Ok, you are correct it is not the 80's. However a team that has been mediocre at best over the last 30+ years with no results on the field recently to prove otherwise isn't likely to get off to a great start. If we are able to land Perry, Smith, Demens and Gray (even a couple of them) we would be off to a good start. All I am saying is that when you make a statement that you hope we can get Demens and that hopefully a sleeper can come through is a really silly statement this early in the recruiting game. I am not sure how long you have followed recruiting but I can give you ten stories of guys who seemed closer to being a

compared a kid who put a couple of Spartan heads on his myspace page with a green background. Oh and by the way I am not that old at all, so I have no idea about recruiting in the 80's except for the fact that we were a little above mediocre then.

Yancich may have tried to have a little fun with the process, and it obviously ticked some people off. He committed to PSU, it's over and done with. Yes, it was kinda in poor taste, and gave people false hope, he didn't shove the information in your face, you searched for it.

LAKS could have hired God to coach MSU football, and he couldn't turn it around as fast as many here would like. It's hard enough to sell your program to a kid if you are tOSU, it's much harder if you are MSU. 4 coaches in 7 years, losing records, no bowl games, late season collapses, and negative recruiting are some of the hurdles MD faces others don't when he goes for top talent against the better programs. Coaches like Tressel and Carr don't face any of those obstacles when they recruit a player.

Be prepared for a long process when it comes to turning this program around. I believe in MD, but he will need at least 5 years to right the ship. Hopefully there will be some top players who believe in MD and his vision, and buy into it. The immediate playing time hasn't helped so far. We will lose a ton of games this year, I think we will be 4-8, that will not help the process of recruiting.

Golfnut · 06-26-2007, 11:09 PM

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So getting back on track with this thread, does this mean if the halfback who has a solid pedigree have less chance of being a bonifide college player if he is WHITE.??

This is dumb.

yes.

yatta08 · 06-26-2007, 11:45 PM

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So getting back on track with this thread, does this mean if the halfback who has a solid pedigree have less chance of being a bonifide college player if he is WHITE.??

This is dumb.

It's a schtick. Don't give him attention.

MiamiSpartan · 06-27-2007, 11:18 AM

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Instead I'll live in 2007 when all signs (and now articles EVERYWHERE) are pointing to the fact that recruiting has change to an early recruiting game. Early commitments are the name of the game, especially with the 4th toughest schedule (according to CNNSI). We need recruits early to stop the bleeding late. Locking up early recruits such as Yancich would be gravy, and also would be a solid foundation to stay with teams such as the Penn States and Wisconsins of our league.

Early commitments are only worth so much. Especially if you're expecting the season to go in the tank, that's when other schools will swarm and kids will start to waiver.

Secondly, I'm surprised how often people bring up Wisconsin in recruiting discussions as something to strive for (I don't know if you were referring to staying with them in terms of recruiting or on-field performance, but it read like you were referring to recruiting). Here are a few facts about Wisconsin and MSU recruiting rankings:

- Over the last 6 years, MSU's average national ranking is 38.3, Wisconsin's average is 39.5. And FWIW, the only time in that span that MSU was outside the Top 40 was 07 (#48) and 03 (#66), which were the first classes of new coaches, thus less time and no history to sell the kids on.

- Over the last 6 years, MSU has ranked higher than Wisconsin 3 years (2 of which were those coaching change years mentioned above...Wisconsin's coaching change was a VERY different situation).

Also, FWIW, Iowa's average ranking is 35, though only two of those 6 years have they been ranked in the Top 35...they're helped by a #11 ranking in 05. That is all despite 4 straight seasons of 10 wins or more.

In other words, MSU is on par or better in recruiting rankings compared to Iowa and Wisconsin. That is despite their success and MSU's failures (4 of those 6 recruiting seasons were coming off losing seasons, two under first year coaches). In a typical year, MSU should never be less than 4th in the Big 10 in recruiting. Maybe Illinois can keep staying up there, because Zook is a darn good salesman, and he's got some good in-state talent that he manages to hold on to.

But let's stop holding Wisconsin or Iowa up as someone to aspire to when it comes to recruiting. Instead, let's hold them up as perfect examples of what can be done without Top 15 recruiting classes. This is all why there is absolutely NO reason why MSU can not and should not be a consistent Top 25 program.