tOfficial 2008 Football Recruiting Thread

[DantonIzzo]

Originally Posted by dhoffsparty

In the case of Perry, he's not going anywhere until he passes the ACT or SAT, bc if he doesn't he won't clear the clearinghouse. Odds are he goes to SC, maybe even scUM, but the kid seems to be a thug who only cares about image. SC has a better image.....he doesn't care what's a better fit for him, or where he's going to get the most opportunity to shine.

What?

[SpartanRocky]

Originally Posted by dhoffsparty

You guys sound like all the other fans in this state. Dantonio did a Hell of a job turning this program around in one season. We were in ever football game, which is more than scUM can say, and he's doing a good job on the recruiting trail for what he has to work with. You guys talk like he's failing miserably bc he's not landing a top 20 recruiting class. The man can't turn water into wine. So instead of talking ****, like everyone on these threads do about every team including basketball (which blows my mind), start talking for real. Saying that this program isn't worth ****, which was said early, doesn't do anything productive talk about how we're making progress. Ingram is a guy we have to get, and Dantonio has done all he can do. If he ends up at Bama that's the kids choice, but it won't be bc we didn't work hard enough to get him, he just wanted to go somewhere else. In the case of Perry, he's not going anywhere until he passes the ACT or SAT, bc if he doesn't he won't clear the clearinghouse. Odds are he goes to SC, maybe even scUM, but the kid seems to be a thug who only cares about image. SC has a better image.....he doesn't care what's a better fit for him, or where he's going to get the most opportunity to shine. And if he decideds to do that, again, he's a free man who can choose to go where he wants....it's not the programs fault, and sure not Dantonio's or the staff. They are doing a great job with the cards they can play, and maybe you should stand up and say "good job" instead of beating them up. But if all you want to do is ***** and moan, go be a scUM fan, you'll fit right in.

I agree with most of what you're saying, but by almost all accounts I've read, Perry is a pretty respectable and high character guy.

[Larry Harrisons Lotion]

Originally Posted by JBSpartan4life

you bet, I'm going to make you eat some serious crow after he signs.

And I hope that you get the chance, 100% serious here.

[Gary in Bradenton]

Originally Posted by presto34

I've only been following recruiting on-line since August but have realized you can look at this in two ways. You can be a pessimist and assume is not going to take care of business and continue to accept 7-5 or 6-6 seasons. However, some of us choose to be optimistic that is going to start kicking ass like and that starts with recruiting.

I am disgusted that we haven't locked up Ingram but he clearly either hasn't made up his mind or wants the continued attention. Perry is gone but I think most of us accepted that after he visited USC. If Coach D finds a way to pull it out with Perry, then great. We need to start winning consistently with 3* kids. If Coach can get that going, two or three years from now we'll be talking about the one or two 4*'s we get out of maybe five or six possibles as opposed to the one or two we maybe will land out of the one or two that are considering us.

It seems to me that in year two, pulling either of these kids would be overachieving for the program, if they both decide to walk and even if we lose a few more, we'll be where we should be, and need to win with these kids.

And you showed your ignorance towards the process with that bolded line right there. The kid has an EXTREMELY difficult decision to make when it comes to MSU. We all know his dad's legacy here and he has to make the decision of whether or not he wants to follow in that legacy or attempt to create his own elsewhere. If he comes here he has lots of pressure to live up to and/or exceed what his dad did considering how high profile he is. He has to hear his dad's name mentioned along with his just about every single time and he may or may not want that. There is a lot more that goes into this as far as MSU goes than there is for most other recruits.

[Larry Harrisons Lotion]

Originally Posted by DantonIzzo

Where's the "schtick out" thread when you actually need it?

Which incarnation are you?

I'm not a schtick, ask one of the Mods. I'm an original baby.

[dhoffsparty]

Originally Posted by DantonIzzo

What?

Originally Posted by SpartanRocky

I agree with most of what you're saying, but by almost all accounts I've read, Perry is a pretty respectable and high character guy.

I hope you guys are right, and I hope that he turns out to be a spartan....but I was at the OSU game, and he just walked around like a hard ass. He just came off as being very consered with his outward image, and being hard.

[Gary in Bradenton]

Originally Posted by dhoffsparty

You guys sound like all the other fans in this state. Dantonio did a Hell of a job turning this program around in one season. We were in ever football game, which is more than scUM can say, and he's doing a good job on the recruiting trail for what he has to work with. You guys talk like he's failing miserably bc he's not landing a top 20 recruiting class. The man can't turn water into wine. So instead of talking ****, like everyone on these threads do about every team including basketball (which blows my mind), start talking for real. Saying that this program isn't worth ****, which was said early, doesn't do anything productive talk about how we're making progress. Ingram is a guy we have to get, and Dantonio has done all he can do. If he ends up at Bama that's the kids choice, but it won't be bc we didn't work hard enough to get him, he just wanted to go somewhere else. In the case of Perry, he's not going anywhere until he passes the ACT or SAT, bc if he doesn't he won't clear the clearinghouse. Odds are he goes to SC, maybe even scUM, but the kid seems to be a thug who only cares about image. SC has a better image.....he doesn't care what's a better fit for him, or where he's going to get the most opportunity to shine. And if he decideds to do that, again, he's a free man who can choose to go where he wants....it's not the programs fault, and sure not Dantonio's or the staff. They are doing a great job with the cards they can play, and maybe you should stand up and say "good job" instead of beating them up. But if all you want to do is ***** and moan, go be a scUM fan, you'll fit right in.

What a piece of **** statement this is. Do you even know the kid in the slightest? Everyone that has seen him or made it remotely close to him says that he is not like this at all. Thats a ****ty statement and a very broad and nasty brush you just painted. Considering you are only 11 posts deep in your tenure here, I might suggest that if this is the kind of crap you are going to print about kids, that you just find another forum. Thats just absolute garbage.

[dhoffsparty]

Originally Posted by Gary in Bradenton

What a piece of **** statement this is. Do you even know the kid in the slightest? Everyone that has seen him or made it remotely close to him says that he is not like this at all. Thats a ****ty statement and a very broad and nasty brush you just painted. Considering you are only 11 posts deep in your tenure here, I might suggest that if this is the kind of crap you are going to print about kids, that you just find another forum. Thats just absolute garbage.

It's a personal opinion from what I saw....I'm sorry it offended you so deeply. Also, my number of posts has nothing to do with anything. If you look at my 11 posts they are actually pro-state, informed, educated sports opinions, not just scUM bashing, and State player performance bashing like others.

[presto34]

My statement "I am disgusted that we have not locked up Ingram" has nothing to do with ignorance or a kid's decision. IMHO the elements were in place for our coaching staff to seal the deal a long time ago. I did not say anything negative about the kid nor did I disrespect the significance of the decision facing him. I think it was quite ignorant of you to say that.

Can you honestly say that you are not unhappy with how things have progressed with Ingram? Give me a break.

[Randolph Junuh]

Originally Posted by dhoffsparty

I hope you guys are right, and I hope that he turns out to be a spartan....but I was at the OSU game, and he just walked around like a hard ass. He just came off as being very consered with his outward image, and being hard.

When the recruits were heading to the locker room during the OSU game, I was sitting by the tunnel area. I stuck out my hand and yelled "Nick Perry! High Five!" He laughed, reached up and slapped my hand. I didn't seem to me that he was trying to be a hard *****

[spartanNTX]

Originally Posted by presto34

My statement "I am disgusted that we have not locked up Ingram" has nothing to do with ignorance or a kid's decision. IMHO the elements were in place for our coaching staff to seal the deal a long time ago. I did not say anything negative about the kid nor did I disrespect the significance of the decision facing him. I think it was quite ignorant of you to say that.

Can you honestly say that you are not unhappy with how things have progressed with Ingram? Give me a break.

Sometimes if a kid isn't sure or doesn't want to attend the school you are pitching, there isn't anything (legal) that you can do to convince them otherwise. There isn't some special closing technique or extra effort that will make a diff. Why would you be disgusted? Obviously the staff is doing all that they can.

[dhoffsparty]

Originally Posted by Randolph Junuh

When the recruits were heading to the locker room during the OSU game, I was sitting by the tunnel area. I stuck out my hand and yelled "Nick Perry! High Five!" He laughed, reached up and slapped my hand. I didn't seem to me that he was trying to be a hard *****

Cool....I'm glad to hear it. I'm kind of stunned by the number of heated response to that comment. It's nice to see you guys care about this young mans character. I didn't say he was a thug, just came off that way, and if I would have seen this I would have a different opinion. Opinions change when you get more information, I'm just impressed by the response, especially seeing that there are threads on this site solely to bash and slander guys who already play for State. No one defends them this well, hopefully everyone will continue this when and if he comes to play here.

[Larry Harrisons Lotion]

First off, I am 110% positive that Coach D is in the process of turning this program around. This past year was a success, and I am also very pleased with the current state of the 2008 recruiting class. But sweet baby jeebus some of you are sensitive. Here are some FACTS for those of you who think that our program needs only one 7-6 season to earn back the respect of the rest of the nation.

In the last decade, Michigan State's overall record is 68-64, with a 36-52 record in Big Ten play. MSU has played in 5 bowl games during this time, with a 2-3 record. The program has only had 5 winning seasons in the last 10 years. And during this time, the program has not managed to put together 2 consecutive winning seasons.

So tell me again why Michigan State football has deserved the nation's respect? Coach D is getting that respect back, but please people, it's going to take more than one freaking season, and most surely the program will lose out on plenty of recruits.

[dhoffsparty]

PS, character aside.....he still needs to get above an 18 on ACT or he won't be eligible.

[presto34]

Originally Posted by spartanNTX

Sometimes if a kid isn't sure or doesn't want to attend the school you are pitching, there isn't anything (legal) that you can do to convince them otherwise. There isn't some special closing technique or extra effort that will make a diff. Why would you be disgusted? Obviously the staff is doing all that they can.

I guess that is my point ... it upsets that with all of the effort put into this kid, it didn't work. I have nothing against him if he chooses to go elsewhere but I can't necessarily say that it's not the coaches fault. I'm not in those meetings or on the other end of the phone and thus don't know what is said and what is not. It appears they have gone the extra distance and if so, this is not their fault either.

On a lighter note, if we beat UM in football this year, who else wants to roll up to the big house with bulldozers wearing FU Larry Foote t-shirts?

Come on Gardiner, give us something positive to discuss!

[dhoffsparty]

Originally Posted by The Banned User

So tell me again why Michigan State football has deserved the nation's respect? Coach D is getting that respect back, but please people, it's going to take more than one freaking season, and most surely the program will lose out on plenty of recruits.

They don't, not yet, but deserves our support, and one hell of an attaboy for what he's done so far. For the first time in a long time, we should be looking forward to signing day, spring ball, and the kickoff of the '08 season, instead of trying to see how bad everything is going to end up

[Larry Harrisons Lotion]

Originally Posted by dhoffsparty

They don't, not yet, but deserves our support, and one hell of an attaboy for what he's done so far. For the first time in a long time, we should be looking forward to signing day, spring ball, and the kickoff of the '08 season, instead of trying to see how bad everything is going to end up

That is 100% how I feel, Coach D is the man and we all finally have good reason to be optimistic about the program. I just think people are setting themselves up for a let down when they are blind to what Booby Williams and JLS made the program, a joke. To the nation Booby Williams filled the team with felons and druggies, and JLS was that crazy cowboy who slapped himself and his players on national tv. The program also became known for 4th quarter collapses, which once prompted Kirk Herbstreit to say "and that's why you're Michigan State".

Coach D is turning this program around, but expect some recruits to go elsewhere, even legacy recruits like Ingram, because of the recent history. Go ahead and bash away everybody.

[SCOTTS BLOATED LIVER]

Originally Posted by dhoffsparty

They don't, not yet, but deserves our support, and one hell of an attaboy for what he's done so far. For the first time in a long time, we should be looking forward to signing day, spring ball, and the kickoff of the '08 season, instead of trying to see how bad everything is going to end up

You're talking about a fan base that has been abused more times than kids at a Michael Jackson sleep over party. Spartan fans need something more than a 7-6 year to complete therapy...

[Badfish]

No surprise but we lost another linebacker prospect this time it is Sterling Lucas of Orangeburg South Carolina to NC ST

I was really hoping we would land this kid I think we were his first major offer

[JBSpartan4life]

Originally Posted by The Banned User

First off, I am 110% positive that Coach D is in the process of turning this program around. This past year was a success, and I am also very pleased with the current state of the 2008 recruiting class. But sweet baby jeebus some of you are sensitive. Here are some FACTS for those of you who think that our program needs only one 7-6 season to earn back the respect of the rest of the nation.

In the last decade, Michigan State's overall record is 68-64, with a 36-52 record in Big Ten play. MSU has played in 5 bowl games during this time, with a 2-3 record. The program has only had 5 winning seasons in the last 10 years. And during this time, the program has not managed to put together 2 consecutive winning seasons.

So tell me again why Michigan State football has deserved the nation's respect? Coach D is getting that respect back, but please people, it's going to take more than one freaking season, and most surely the program will lose out on plenty of recruits.

I agree we've struggled and I'm not saying we deserve any real respect anywhere but unlike some posters on here the national media isn't just slaming msu's face into the concrete and calling us a door-mat. Other Programs have certainly rebounded from what apeared to be far worse dis-positions and if last year is any indication we're well on our way.

If you're a recruit you can come to msu, play right away, compete against michigan,osu,notre dame, win, go to bowl games and make it to the NFL.

[spartaspartan]

Well he ain't the orange

[Brian1]

Originally Posted by dhoffsparty

You guys sound like all the other fans in this state. Dantonio did a Hell of a job turning this program around in one season. We were in ever football game, which is more than scUM can say, and he's doing a good job on the recruiting trail for what he has to work with. You guys talk like he's failing miserably bc he's not landing a top 20 recruiting class. The man can't turn water into wine. So instead of talking ****, like everyone on these threads do about every team including basketball (which blows my mind), start talking for real. Saying that this program isn't worth ****, which was said early, doesn't do anything productive talk about how we're making progress. Ingram is a guy we have to get, and Dantonio has done all he can do. If he ends up at Bama that's the kids choice, but it won't be bc we didn't work hard enough to get him, he just wanted to go somewhere else. In the case of Perry, he's not going anywhere until he passes the ACT or SAT, bc if he doesn't he won't clear the clearinghouse. Odds are he goes to SC, maybe even scUM, but the kid seems to be a thug who only cares about image. SC has a better image.....he doesn't care what's a better fit for him, or where he's going to get the most opportunity to shine. And if he decideds to do that, again, he's a free man who can choose to go where he wants....it's not the programs fault, and sure not Dantonio's or the staff. They are doing a great job with the cards they can play, and maybe you should stand up and say "good job" instead of beating them up. But if all you want to do is ***** and moan, go be a scUM fan, you'll fit right in.

What the hell? Why would you disparage a young man that is considering a commitment to play at MSU that you do not even know as a thug? Is it because you are frustrated?

I agree with you that MD has worked his ***** off trying to find players (MI, OH, TX, FL, Georgia). I see double the recruiting effort compared to JLS. But no reason to run down the recruits that have not commited.

[SCOTTS BLOATED LIVER]

Originally Posted by spartaspartan

Well he ain't the orange

Who ?

[Sonny SixKill]

Originally Posted by Badfish

No surprise but we lost another linebacker prospect this time it is Sterling Lucas of Orangeburg South Carolina to NC ST

I was really hoping we would land this kid I think we were his first major offer

He dropped us like everyone else last week

[mitch cumstein]

Originally Posted by Sonny SixKill

He dropped us like everyone else last week

scrap the program