tOfficial 2008 Football Recruiting Thread

[DantonIzzo]

Originally Posted by SpartanFan81

listen I'm actually on banned users side. He has the right to be frustrated, heck im frustrated with the way the end of the recruiting period is happening. It doesn't mean we don't like this class because we do, but when we know that we missed out on a lot of top guys, that part is frustrating. Are we supposed to be ok with every top LB and even our plan B guys turning us down? I trust Dantonio with his evaluations very much, but I like Banned is frustrated that we have missed out on a lot of top guys weve offered. That being said I think this class is another great foundation to build off of and a lot of prospects that will turn out to be veryy good players with good coaching. But if we want to win the big 10, we need to land the Mark Ingrams and the Nick Perrys.

How about we wait until after Feb. 6 to analyze, deal?

In the meantime, what's the sense of getting your panties in a bunch over kids none of us have ever seen play before?

[SpartanFan81]

Originally Posted by DantonIzzo

How about we wait until after Feb. 6 to analyze, deal?

In the meantime, what's the sense of getting your panties in a bunch over kids none of us have ever seen play before?

Ok deal. It's true you're right, we can speculate all we want but we won't be able to judge this class til 4 years from now. Heck I thought St. Dic was worthless until this season, so you never really know. We've had our share of 4 star busts and 2 star studs.



The main part I'm getting frustrated with is just the players that are turning us down. We just can't seem to fill our expected position numbers along the DL, LB, and OL. Last year it was corner. This year we need one more OL but I'm guessing we won't get it as were only going after committed kids now. LB were possibly going to be turned down by a kid picking FAU and one accepting a greyshirt to OSU. These are kids we need to be landing. I know Dantonio will bring in quality kids and good players, I just know for me I get frustrated when were down to the wire and aren't closing the deals on players we should be locking up.

[spartan80]

Originally Posted by SpartanFan81

Ok deal. It's true you're right, we can speculate all we want but we won't be able to judge this class til 4 years from now. Heck I thought St. Dic was worthless until this season, so you never really know. We've had our share of 4 star busts and 2 star studs.



The main part I'm getting frustrated with is just the players that are turning us down. We just can't seem to fill our expected position numbers along the DL, LB, and OL. Last year it was corner. This year we need one more OL but I'm guessing we won't get it as were only going after committed kids now. LB were possibly going to be turned down by a kid picking FAU and one accepting a greyshirt to OSU. These are kids we need to be landing. I know Dantonio will bring in quality kids and good players, I just know for me I get frustrated when were down to the wire and aren't closing the deals on players we should be locking up.

First, unless you've got some incredible sources you have no idea what the story is with these kids, what's important to them (soft serve ice cream!), or what the staff is doing offer-wise. Kids turning schools down happens to every college including USC, get used to it, especially when MSU's last two seasons have been 4 - 8 and 7 - 6.

People watching closely know what an improvement there was since Dantonio took over, but many of these recruits don' watch EVERY MSU game. It's going to be this way when the staff goes hard after the best kids who have a ton of options, and until the team has a few solid seasons under it's belt. MSU is going to lose out on kids next year too, even if they win 9 games.

Bottom line is, this staff has done a great job in identifying kids, reopening contacts with MI & OH H.S.'s, and in battling for kids right up to the wire. IMO this class is already better than last years, and could still end up much, much better.

[DantonIzzo]

Originally Posted by SpartanFan81

I just know for me I get frustrated when were down to the wire and aren't closing the deals on players we should be locking up.

Is it a given that they're turning us down vs. us cooling on them? I guess it's weird to me that fans always seem to assume they know exactly what's going on with the recruiting process, and that the coaching staff is always the rejectee in the 11th hour vs. the rejector.



isn't just going to throw scholarships away to fill a class -- that much is certain. This ain't BW and it ain't JLS. I don't see the immediate need for a kid at any position; sure, Perry or Ingram would probably see the field if they committed to MSU (and Smith will), but I don't see huge holes that need to be filled anywhere (other than maybe OL and TE, where you don't see true freshmen play). So who cares if we do or don't get a Morgan, Youboty, etc.?

The only two I've really been disappointed about to date have been Scruggs and Jacquies Smith, but hell, I don't know. Just because they look great on a "best of" video doesn't mean they're a can't-miss collegiate prospect.

[JBSpartan4life]

Originally Posted by ClarkstonGreen

we're losing guys to ****ing Marshall now.......

we didn't lose anybody to Marshall, check the rivals article. The kid reports a 2.2 gpa which means he isn't going to make it. I'm sure stoped recruiting him as soon as he got wind of it.

[DantonIzzo]

Originally Posted by JBSpartan4life

we didn't lose anybody to Marshall, check the rivals article. The kid reports a 2.2 gpa which means he isn't going to make it. I'm sure stoped recruiting him as soon as he got wind of it.

Facts aren't going to get in the way of a good temper tantrum on this board anytime soon.

[JBSpartan4life]

Originally Posted by ClarkstonGreen

I'm still baffled as to why we can't land a decent LB, considering we only have 5 guys coming back next year......what gives?

Winston,rolf and Williams are all pretty solid prospects. Some recruiting gurus in Ohio have Jahmir Williams as a top 15 in state player.

Both starting OLB's are sophmores next season, it's not like we can promise any recruit a starting spot at OLB with two solid starters already.

[JBSpartan4life]

Originally Posted by DantonIzzo

Facts aren't going to get in the way of a good temper tantrum on this board anytime soon.

very true, it's just sad how people will spaz out before learning all the details

[JBSpartan4life]

Originally Posted by Spartan Pride

His MSU offer? Can you confirm this, or are you just speculating?

Oh, and yes he was supposedly involved in an incident but is yet to be convicted. Many claim that he is actually a really good kid and this is an isolated incident. But with OSU's great depth at RB, Tressel didn't want to take a chance.

This is one of the few times I actually have inside info.If we kept up with the offer (I'm not sure if we did or not), there is a VERY good chance that he will be a spartan. FYI.

the accusations against the kid are extremely ****ing bad. But then again it could just be another duke lacrosse case. I'll let decide.

[Island of misfit toys]

Originally Posted by JBSpartan4life

Winston,rolf and Williams are all pretty solid prospects. Some recruiting gurus in Ohio have Jahmir Williams as a top 15 in state player.

Both starting OLB's are sophmores next season, it's not like we can promise any recruit a starting spot at OLB with two solid starters already.

I don't like that, it's a slap on these kids implying they aren't "decent". Stevens and Trawick could play linebacker as well. We whiffed on a bunch of recruits, BFD! The fact is, we've lined up some kids who may be very productive and it's still not over. Some people act as though we've never had GREAT linebackers here before.

[Island of misfit toys]

Originally Posted by SpartanFan81

Good news on Perry. Dantonio was at his football banquet dinner tonight. As was RR& some coaches and Randy Shannon as well. Good news that he was able to make it out there. Didn't let U of M only show their face there.

This didn't go unnoticed, BTW.

Flying all the way up from Miami, can you imagine what it was like when Shannon and his boys first locked eyes with RR and Co!? I wonder what that indicates with RR? Was this an 'in your face' to raiders of MI recruits? I don't know what 's role was, except that maybe he heard about the rumble and thought he'd better get in on it too. Had RR not decided to crash the party (where I understand Shannon was the speaker), I wonder if would have felt the need for a Mexican standoff himself.

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Originally Posted by SpartanFan81

Good news on Perry. Dantonio was at his football banquet dinner tonight. As was RR& some coaches and Randy Shannon as well. Good news that he was able to make it out there. Didn't let U of M only show their face there.

Man, it must suck for Shannon to have to fly up to Detroit in the middle of winter just b/c some 18-year-old kid is pulling your chain.

[Smashmouth FB]

[dhoffsparty]

Originally Posted by DantonIzzo

Is this the first recruiting class you've ever followed? Sure do act like it.

Amen to that

[Spartan4ever]

I'm showing my age, but I remember a time when the only ones who followed recruiting were the coaches and those actually being recruited. Fans didn't know much about the kids that were coming into the program, but relied on the fact the coaches knew what they were looking for in a football player. There was no star system or self appointed recruiting gurus telling the general public that this kid was a can't miss prospect because freshman couldn't play, and the only thing that mattered was how they performed on the field.

I guess I long for those days instead of seeing fans get upset because some kid we know nothing about decides to select a school.

The other thing I detest is the media circus that is perpetuated by these kids when they announce where they intend to be playing. Believe me, nobody outside of their respective states (other than college football coaches) knew much about Charles Smith, Gene Washington and George Webster. The concensus was that if these players were coming to play football at MSU then they obviously were good enough in the mind of the only person that mattered, Duffy Daugherty. The same holds true today. The only people these recruits truly matter are Mark Dantonio and his staff.

How many of you are going to whine and moan if some lowly two star recruit ends up being all that and a bag of chips while some highly rated kid ends up rarely seeing the field. Whose fault is it that the low rated recruit became a star and the highly rated kid is never heard from? Not the gurus that's for certain.

Let's remember that of the thousands of young men who play high school football, only a small percentage will ever end up playing college football. If a kid is receiving any attention from a D1 program, that alone tells me he has set himself above the majority who play the game in high school and will never sniff an offer.

Regardless of the star system, I will welcome all those players who are offered and sign to play football at MSU. I trust the fact that Mark Dantonio and his staff know how to properly evaluate talent and have the ability to develop each players talent to their full potential.

[spartanbychoice]

Originally Posted by Spartan4ever

I'm showing my age, but I remember a time when the only ones who followed recruiting were the coaches and those actually being recruited. Fans didn't know much about the kids that were coming into the program, but relied on the fact the coaches knew what they were looking for in a football player. There was no star system or self appointed recruiting gurus telling the general public that this kid was a can't miss prospect because freshman couldn't play, and the only thing that mattered was how they performed on the field.

I guess I long for those days instead of seeing fans get upset because some kid we know nothing about decides to select a school.

The other thing I detest is the media circus that is perpetuated by these kids when they announce where they intend to be playing. Believe me, nobody outside of their respective states (other than college football coaches) knew much about Charles Smith, Gene Washington and George Webster. The concensus was that if these players were coming to play football at MSU then they obviously were good enough in the mind of the only person that mattered, Duffy Daugherty. The same holds true today. The only people these recruits truly matter are Mark Dantonio and his staff.

How many of you are going to whine and moan if some lowly two star recruit ends up being all that and a bag of chips while some highly rated kid ends up rarely seeing the field. Whose fault is it that the low rated recruit became a star and the highly rated kid is never heard from? Not the gurus that's for certain.

Let's remember that of the thousands of young men who play high school football, only a small percentage will ever end up playing college football. If a kid is receiving any attention from a D1 program, that alone tells me he has set himself above the majority who play the game in high school and will never sniff an offer.

Regardless of the star system, I will welcome all those players who are offered and sign to play football at MSU. I trust the fact that Mark Dantonio and his staff know how to properly evaluate talent and have the ability to develop each players talent to their full potential.

Post of the Year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[greenballs]

Originally Posted by DantonIzzo

Is it a given that they're turning us down vs. us cooling on them? I guess it's weird to me that fans always seem to assume they know exactly what's going on with the recruiting process, and that the coaching staff is always the rejectee in the 11th hour vs. the rejector.



isn't just going to throw scholarships away to fill a class -- that much is certain. This ain't BW and it ain't JLS. I don't see the immediate need for a kid at any position; sure, Perry or Ingram would probably see the field if they committed to MSU (and Smith will), but I don't see huge holes that need to be filled anywhere (other than maybe OL and TE, where you don't see true freshmen play). So who cares if we do or don't get a Morgan, Youboty, etc.?

The only two I've really been disappointed about to date have been Scruggs and Jacquies Smith, but hell, I don't know. Just because they look great on a "best of" video doesn't mean they're a can't-miss collegiate prospect.

Exactly. How many of you are right there there at 's side to whisper in his ear? Everything we hear is speculation.

[GoBlueFromOhio]

Torrence is visiting UM this weekend, but I have a feeling from the stories coming out that the accusations against this kid are not to far off. His brother I believe goes to OSU and for them to pull his offer it has to be the real deal.

[SpartanGA]

Originally Posted by The Banned User

The end to this recruiting class is just getting plain sad... even the Plan C and Plan D recruits don't want to commit. So who is this freaking orange? Money says it's Jude, and I could give two ******* about a Plan E recruit. This is THE most frustrating recruiting class I've ever followed.

sorry, couldnt resist.

We are all frustrated, but we have to see the end result. I am very happy with the current recruits. Lets see what is landed before it is all over and how spring ball goes. I trust MD.

[mitch cumstein]

when ALL of the plan C and D guys are committing elsewhere, doesn't that maybe tell you something?

[SpartanGA]

Originally Posted by mitch cumstein

when ALL of the plan C and D guys are committing elsewhere, doesn't that maybe tell you something?

Exactly. That is what is odd but makes me optimistic. It seems many are taking off...but we cannot keep justifying it to pulling the offer or re-evaluating their talent or a better silent commitment.

I look forward to 2/6.

[GoBlueFromOhio]

remind me again. 2/6 is the first day they can sign, is there a date when you have to be signed by?

[SpartanGA]

Originally Posted by GoBlueFromOhio

remind me again. 2/6 is the first day they can sign, is there a date when you have to be signed by?

first day you can sign.

[Randolph Junuh]

So aside from this orange on friday, is there still a "light yellow" out there?

[SpartanGA]

Supposedly we have 2-3 silents currently including the 'huge'. Rumors however.

I hope the big snow storm tonite/tomorrow hinders the Bama coach visit to Ingram.