tOfficial 2008 Football Recruiting Thread

[Larry Harrisons Lotion]

Originally Posted by Ozymandias

You don't understand how recruiting works, right? I mean, that's the only explanation for your response.

Coaches just don't offer every kid they think is the cat's pajamas. They look at how many spots they will have open, positions they need to fill and prioritize prospects accordingly. There were questions about Gardiner's size (and still are), but MSU is willing to take the chance. You know who else is? Ohio State.

If OSU likes the kid, are you saying that they're wrong because they just offered him?

OSU has only offered Steve Gardiner a greyshirt, so obviously they do not feel he's the cat's pajamas. But hey, if Coach D wants him, then I hope he becomes a . And no, I am not ripping on Gardiner, the staff obviously wanted other linebackers ahead of him.

[Island of misfit toys]

Originally Posted by The Banned User

It's what we like to call a direct quote, coming straight from Yourhighness Morgan. Gee, I guess they are just making up quotes now, the world has gone mad! You little girls need to settle down, supposedly we're the trolls, but you nancies keep getting your panties in a bunch and then start attacking us.

Hey, I want your opinion about Tressel, the linebackers coach. Please answer this question just the way I'm asking it:

If we had a linebackers coach who were more exciting, do you think we would have picked up one or more of those LB recruits we lost?

By exciting, I'm talking about an ex-pro or a guy who can boast having coached guys who have gone on to the NFL. I'm talking about a guy with gravitas. A guy with experience. This could be a former spartan player or not, it would just be somebody who has the confidence of having been there and done that. If we couldn't draw somebody from the outside, one might think there would be a former Spartan player or other Spartan loyalist who would come here and take the job because of their love for Simple question, a coach with such cachet, do you think we would have landed some of those recruits we whiffed on?

There may be something here that more of us can agree upon. Dantonio kept his transition staff together, which was great. Now, however, leaving no stone unturned, he may have to re-examine to see if he truly has the best staff available and not just his homeys.

[mitch cumstein]

Originally Posted by barberb6

You should look at the Norman highlights. As in, right now.

[Larry Harrisons Lotion]

Originally Posted by '86

Hey, I want your opinion about Tressel, the linebackers coach. Please answer this question just the way I'm asking it:

If we had a linebackers coach who were more exciting, do you think we would have picked up one or more of those LB recruits we lost?

By exciting, I'm talking about an ex-pro or a guy who can boast having coached guys who have gone on to the NFL. I'm talking about a guy with gravitas. A guy with experience. This could be a former spartan player or not, it would just be somebody who has the confidence of having been there and done that. If we couldn't draw somebody from the outside, one might think there would be a former Spartan player or other Spartan loyalist who would come here and take the job because of their love for Simple question, a coach with such cachet, do you think we would have landed some of those recruits we whiffed on?

There may be something here that more of us can agree upon. Dantonio kept his transition staff together, which was great. Now, however, leaving no stone unturned, he may have to re-examine to see if he truly has the best staff available and not just his homeys.

Hmmmm that's an interesting take on this situation. Let me start by saying that I don't think any of us can be sure why the linebacker prospects are turning down MSU. I don't blame Coach D for this, and obviously we can't blame Tressel since we are all out of the loop.

To answer your question, I don't know if another LB coach could've reeled in any of those recruits. How do we know if Tressel is an exciting guy for the recruits? I'm sure though, that the Tressel name carries some significance to potential recruits.

With the development of Eric Gordon and Greg Jones last year, I believe it is safe to assume that Tressel can coach. Maybe the misses that the coaching staff has encountered this year can be traced back to Tressel, but who really knows? Now if Tressel is the problem (not saying that he is), Coach D would be wise to re-examine his staff and try to add the type of coach that you just described.

Honestly, I'm just not sure what's going on with the LB recruits, but I still have 110% faith in Coach D to provide us with an 8-5 record next year!

[Island of misfit toys]

"Everything was pretty good," Perry said about Michigan. "I have been up there quite a few times, but getting around the new coaches was cool. I am feeling comfortable more and more each time I (visit). I felt good about it."

Although coach Rich Rodriguez and his staff are new to Michigan, they are familiar with Perry. Assistant Tony Dews was recruiting Perry while working at West Virginia.

"We are pretty cool," Perry said of Dews. "We are able to talk to each other about everything. The level of communication is there."

One of the new additions to the staff — defensive coordinator Scott Shafer— spent additional time with Perry this weekend.

"As far as (Shafer) goes, it seems like he has a plan," said Perry. "His background seems pretty good and it seems he can put a defense together pretty well. Coach Rodriguez put a good coaching staff together and I think they'll be able to put me in a lot of positions to use me."

Midwest Blitz: Will Nick Perry stay to play in Michigan? - USATODAY.com

This is it, fellas. For us to go to the next level, we have to have the best assistants available. Dantonio did the loyalty thing, which was excellent for transition purposes. Now however, is he surrounded by the best assistants available for this school and at this level? If he isn't, it will translate into losses.

[Senator Blutarsky]

Originally Posted by The Banned User

It's what we like to call a direct quote, coming straight from Yourhighness Morgan. Gee, I guess they are just making up quotes now, the world has gone mad! You little girls need to settle down, supposedly we're the trolls, but you nancies keep getting your panties in a bunch and then start attacking us.

Hondo said we offered Dion Guy too....How did that go? Like I said, we don't know half of what's going on, and the recruiting guys only know a little bit more than that.

[Island of misfit toys]

Originally Posted by The Banned User

Hmmmm that's an interesting take on this situation. Let me start by saying that I don't think any of us can be sure why the linebacker prospects are turning down MSU. I don't blame Coach D for this, and obviously we can't blame Tressel since we are all out of the loop.

To answer your question, I don't know if another LB coach could've reeled in any of those recruits. How do we know if Tressel is an exciting guy for the recruits? I'm sure though, that the Tressel name carries some significance to potential recruits.

With the development of Eric Gordon and Greg Jones last year, I believe it is safe to assume that Tressel can coach. Maybe the misses that the coaching staff has encountered this year can be traced back to Tressel, but who really knows? Now if Tressel is the problem (not saying that he is), Coach D would be wise to re-examine his staff and try to add the type of coach that you just described.

Honestly, I'm just not sure what's going on with the LB recruits, but I still have 110% faith in Coach D to provide us with an 8-5 record next year!

Cool. Tressel hasn't had a fair trial. And before anyone starts in, none of this is personal. When we say we want to win, I'm assuming we accept the ruthlessness that goes with getting maximum performance. Who knows, maybe Tressel is a rising star. Rather than complain about missing out on recruits, I think it's best to ask why. The position coach is one area that deserves scrutiny.

I'm not lying, I have suspicions. That's not saying he's not a nice guy. That's not saying he isn't even a talented coach. We're talking about sales, now. I wonder if we could bring in a position coach who could both train up the players and make them want to come here in the first place.

Firing assistants is really difficult. There has been more than one program where the coach benefitted from pressure from the outside forcing him to shake up his staff- it gives him an excuse. I'm not saying we are there right now, but I think this is definitely something to look at if we feel recruiting isn't what it could be.

[BillOGoods]

Originally Posted by '86

This is it, fellas. For us to go to the next level, we have to have the best assistants available. Dantonio did the loyalty thing, which was excellent for transition purposes. Now however, is he surrounded by the best assistants available for this school and at this level? If he isn't, it will translate into losses.

Maybe we have among the best available and they just have to be given a chance. Lookit, we were supposed to get a big star on our foreheads for having Devin Thomas go pro early. That was supposed to be a benefit to The Program as recruits would see we have guys going pro, big talents. Well, we just had a guy turn us down because Howard Schnellenberger at Florida Atlantic was perceived at giving him a shot at the pros.

This is the same crap. The head coach has to decide if he can win with these coaches at MSU. If he can and he wins, recruits will be convinced. It's that simple. Having said that, I agree that the guys you got have to be somewhat dynamic, charismatic in their own right. Everyone on the staff has to be able to recruit.

[Stats]

Does anyone know what time the revealing of the Orange will be tomorrow? Don't want to miss it. TIA.

[BillOGoods]

Originally Posted by '86

Cool. Tressel hasn't had a fair trial. And before anyone starts in, none of this is personal. When we say we want to win, I'm assuming we accept the ruthlessness that goes with getting maximum performance. Who knows, maybe Tressel is a rising star. Rather than complain about missing out on recruits, I think it's best to ask why. The position coach is one area that deserves scrutiny.

I'm not lying, I have suspicions. That's not saying he's not a nice guy. That's not saying he isn't even a talented coach. We're talking about sales, now. I wonder if we could bring in a position coach who could both train up the players and make them want to come here in the first place.

Firing assistants is really difficult. There has been more than one program where the coach benefitted from pressure from the outside forcing him to shake up his staff- it gives him an excuse. I'm not saying we are there right now, but I think this is definitely something to look at if we feel recruiting isn't what it could be.

It's a good point, indeed. But as long as Dantonio is here, Tressel will be here. So, he has to develop his assistants in all facets. Recruiting is one important facet. It's like any job. Most of the time, the projection of your personality is something that, if you haven't developed, you better if you expect to advance in your profession.

[Larry Harrisons Lotion]

Originally Posted by John Blutarsky

Hondo said we offered Dion Guy too....How did that go? Like I said, we don't know half of what's going on, and the recruiting guys only know a little bit more than that.

I agree that we don't know half of what's going on, this is obvious. However, I wouldn't go off of anything Hondo has to say regarding recruiting..... or pretty much anything. My whole point all along has been that I'm disappointed that some of our LB targets have gone elsewhere, not that the coaching staff is doing a poor job, or that any of our present and future commits are subpar.

[SpartanGA]

Originally Posted by StatsETC

Does anyone know what time the revealing of the Orange will be tomorrow? Don't want to miss it. TIA.

could be as late as evening

[hIZZOner]

so where is gardiner going?..it says over on bucknuts that he pulled the trigger

[Spartan Pride]

Originally Posted by msu1885

so where is gardiner going?..it says over on bucknuts that he pulled the trigger

By all accounts, I would assume if Bucknuts is reporting it on their front page, he is a buckeye.

[nicho197]

Originally Posted by StatsETC

Does anyone know what time the revealing of the Orange will be tomorrow? Don't want to miss it. TIA.

evening to late evening. paul has to take care of his twins during the day. It looks like it is down to a few ppl...pm stats if you want more

[MSU addict]

Originally Posted by StatsETC

Admittedly, I've read about this 'situation' in a few different places, but I haven't seen a single detail until now. With that said, in the words of the immortal Vincent Kennedy McMahon, "WAIT JUST A DAMN MINUTE!" He had a FOURSOME with girls of 11, 12, 14??? Is there a link to more details of this rumor? And now we definitely know why Dick Rod is all over him!

I don't know that anyone said it was a "foursome."

The sex happened over a period of months and apparently invloves 14 males (ages 14-21) and three girls, ages 11, 12 and 14. Apparently four of the males are football players at Massilon Washington HS.

The Columbus Dispatch : Massillon police investigate student athletes in sex-crime probe

[Tommyboy]

Originally Posted by Spartan Pride

By all accounts, I would assume if Bucknuts is reporting it on their front page, he is a buckeye.

Not so fast my friend....

[Stats]

Originally Posted by Spartan Pride

By all accounts, I would assume if Bucknuts is reporting it on their front page, he is a buckeye.

None of the other OSU sites have picked it up. This is bizarre....

[nicho197]

Originally Posted by StatsETC

None of the other OSU sites have picked it up. This is bizarre....

i couldnt find anything on any other osu site, wva site, msu site, or pitt site all those teams were his finalists. Something will pop up soon.

[Badfish]

There is a Red on the Mag

Gardiner to MSU

[DantonIzzo]

Originally Posted by Badfish

There is a Red on the Mag

Gardiner to MSU

Welcome!

[Tommyboy]

Originally Posted by Badfish

There is a Red on the Mag

Gardiner to MSU

Ok, so Gardiner today, someone tomorrow, possibly another silent to commit in the next few days,

Ingram or Harper.

and Maybe Jude.

We'll finish with 22-23 easily.

[49ers169]

Yes Gardiner to MSU.

My friend has access to BuckNuts and he is a Spartan.

This is NOT the orange.

[Tommyboy]

Today has been a very good day... and getting better.

[Stats]

Originally Posted by Badfish

There is a Red on the Mag

Gardiner to MSU

BuckeyePlanet confirms:

'08 OH LB Steve Gardiner (Grayshirt Offer) - Page 6 - BuckeyePlanet Ohio State Forums