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Old 06-15-2007, 01:24 PM   #101 (permalink)
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One more point- package deals rarely work out. Not saying MSU couldn't get Gray and Demens, but most of the time it doesn't work out that it was a true package deal.


(In other words, if MSU gets Gray and Demens, it will be because both want to go there, not because they were a package deal)
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Old 06-15-2007, 01:29 PM   #102 (permalink)
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Yesterday MSU wasn't even on Grays rivals list, this is great news because I was just going to start a thread about that. Anyone know why there was such a change in heart or was it just Rivals being stupid.
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Old 06-15-2007, 01:30 PM   #103 (permalink)
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Old 06-15-2007, 01:32 PM   #104 (permalink)
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If Dantonio can lock them up MSU has a chance to win the instate recruiting battle with UM.
This article is good news, but you guys are getting way ahead of yourselves.
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Old 06-15-2007, 01:32 PM   #105 (permalink)
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Yesterday MSU wasn't even on Grays rivals list, this is great news because I was just going to start a thread about that. Anyone know why there was such a change in heart or was it just Rivals being stupid.
Those lists are not updated very often. MSU has been on his list all along.
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Old 06-15-2007, 01:33 PM   #106 (permalink)
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Yesterday MSU wasn't even on Grays rivals list, this is great news because I was just going to start a thread about that. Anyone know why there was such a change in heart or was it just Rivals being stupid.
Well, that's just rivals effin up. MSU has always been on Gray's list.
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Old 06-15-2007, 01:34 PM   #107 (permalink)
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Rivals continues to give players there stars. While there are still alot of evaluations to be made, here are some of note...


Fred Smith (4 Stars)
Brandon Green (4 Stars)
Nick Perry (4 Stars)
Tyler Hoover (4 Stars)
Kenny Demens (4 Stars)
Do any of the experts know our chances with these 4-star guys?
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Old 06-15-2007, 01:36 PM   #108 (permalink)
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I have confidence in the corners this year as well. Personally, I think most of the problem with the secondary the past few years had NOTHING to do with talent or ability. I believe it had to do with scheme. The scheme put them in a position to fail more so than even any lack of talent might have. I think this year you will see a DRASTIC improvement in the play of the corners.
Scheme and lack of player development, i.e. coaches who didn't know how to teach kids to cover.

Along that same vein I hope we finally have coaches--for the first time in 10 years--who can teach our WRs how to catch and hang on to the ball.
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Old 06-15-2007, 01:36 PM   #109 (permalink)
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Its just Comp hyping a kid up
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Old 06-15-2007, 01:38 PM   #110 (permalink)
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Jonas Gray now has MSU as his leader. If he commits, expect Kenny Demens (4 star LB) to commit as well.

Would be HUGE HUGE HUGE for MSU if this were to happen.
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Old 06-15-2007, 01:39 PM   #111 (permalink)
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Do any of the experts know our chances with these 4-star guys?
For Hoover I think its MSU and scUM
For Smith it tOSU MSU and scUM I believe but we have Smith's HS QB committed to us
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Old 06-15-2007, 01:39 PM   #112 (permalink)
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What? That doesn't even make sense.
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Old 06-15-2007, 01:41 PM   #113 (permalink)
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Old 06-15-2007, 01:44 PM   #114 (permalink)
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What's the over/under on another site interviewing him and reporting that he says 'MSU isn't my leader. Everything is wide open. I like ____________ real well. The coaches are real cool and Coach ____________ just talked to me and my mom last night. Every school has an equal chance right now.'

After what we saw with Michael Jordan, I'm setting that line at 2.5 days.
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Old 06-15-2007, 01:47 PM   #115 (permalink)
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What's the over/under on another site interviewing him and reporting that he says 'MSU isn't my leader. Everything is wide open. I like ____________ real well. The coaches are real cool and Coach ____________ just talked to me and my mom last night. Every school has an equal chance right now.'

After what we saw with Michael Jordan, I'm setting that line at 2.5 days.

that was Crabtree that wrote that so its not a fluff spartanmag piece
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No kidding, I missed that detail.
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Old 06-15-2007, 02:10 PM   #117 (permalink)
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Well Big M, maybe Lloyd does not want Gray, but every other post I have seen in The Fort for the last two months now, at least when I look, is about Gray.

Not saying he is coming to MSU, but he is a top flight player for sure.
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Old 06-15-2007, 02:14 PM   #118 (permalink)
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Well Big M, maybe Lloyd does not want Gray, but every other post I have seen in The Fort for the last two months now, at least when I look, is about Gray.

Not saying he is coming to MSU, but he is a top flight player for sure.
I didn't say Gray wasn't a good player did I? I just said that UM hasn't offered him, so its hard to say MSU "won" or beat out UM.

And yeah there is a lot of talk about Gray because everyone keeps wondering why UM hasn't offered.
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Old 06-15-2007, 02:15 PM   #119 (permalink)
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Not saying he is coming to MSU, but he is a top flight player for sure.
Yep. The reason scUM isn't offering is there are doubts about how he'd fit into a zone blocking system. He'd fit into our system, so who cares.

The fact OSU and PSU haven't offered kind of tempers my enthusiasm. But he'd be the best RB prospect we've landed since Ringer.
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Old 06-15-2007, 02:16 PM   #120 (permalink)
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#1 on my wishlist is Hoover .... he is a big boy .... who ever gets him is going to get a stud DE
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Old 06-15-2007, 02:21 PM   #122 (permalink)
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Hoover is a 4 star because of his freakish size,

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Yep. The reason scUM isn't offering is there are doubts about how he'd fit into a zone blocking system. He'd fit into our system, so who cares.

The fact OSU and PSU haven't offered kind of tempers my enthusiasm. But he'd be the best RB prospect we've landed since Ringer.
Yeah....and do we know if ND h