tOfficial 2008 Football Recruiting Thread

Big M · 08-02-2007, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by spartans17

Why the hell do you think that you giving him "props" means anything at all to us?

You've ruined this board and you're ruining the scout board too. Get a f***ing life.

You really need help my man. I'm not leaving, I'm not going to stop posting, so save the bandwidth.

I've been on this board 10 years (sad I know..but that's besides the point) and the board is doing better than ever. I enjoy the debates and when you don't chime in with your mindless insults I've had some really great back and forth with Spartans here.

kgbmsu · 08-02-2007, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Big M

You really need help my man. I'm not leaving, I'm not going to stop posting, so save the bandwidth.

I've been on this board 10 years (sad I know..but that's besides the point) and the board is doing better than ever. I enjoy the debates and when you don't chime in with your mindless insults I've had some really great back and forth with Spartans here.

Again, your remark was condescending.

SteveMSU · 08-02-2007, 05:15 PM

Big M - What exactly is the complaint about Dorsey from UM fans? I can see how his commentary on having Mallet and McGuffie talk to Smith would irritate, but I guess I'm not sure what else was mentioned in the article that was so bad. Most MSU fans were under the impression that playing time was a priority to Smith, and I think he was just trying to answer that. He actually posted the list of the 5 questions he asked Smith and none were controversial in any way.

I fully acknowledge that that SpartanMag writes from an MSU perspective, but they are called SpartanMag afterall, so why wouldn't they? If you've got specific examples I'd love to hear them. I just think there are guys like the ND writers and B&W Illustrated that are a million times more blatant.

Big M · 08-02-2007, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by spartans17

I'm not mad at him because of this recruiting crap. I'm mad because the guy takes over every single recruiting thread and thinks that he's such a saint in the way he praises Dantonio and that we need his sympathy or something.

"Oh haha, another top MI prospect coming to UM. But really great fight guys. I'm sure that Dantonio is going to be a helluva coach".

He needs to learn when not to post in certain situations and just be silent. Unfortunately the guy is on here 24/7 and his freaking alarm goes off any time anyone mentions anything UM related.

You must miss all the posts where I

-Congratulate MSU teams and fans when their teams succeed

-Give props to Dantonio for his recruiting victories (like Hoover and Jeremiah)

You selectively pick my posts- stop it please.

OPSpartan · 08-02-2007, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Big M

Yes, the Beave is just as bad or worse..but find me a Rivals article that is so transparently a recruiting pitch and attempts to put MSU in such a poor light. Dorsey's a hack, plain and simple.

And you probably bought all the hype about grady from spath and borton hook, line and sinker. Those two puppets live to whipe the drool from lloyds jowels.

Big M · 08-02-2007, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMSU

Big M - What exactly is the complaint about Dorsey from UM fans? I can see how his commentary on having Mallet and McGuffie talk to Smith would irritate, but I guess I'm not sure what else was mentioned in the article that was so bad. Most MSU fans were under the impression that playing time was a priority to Smith, and I think he was just trying to answer that. He actually posted the list of the 5 questions he asked Smith and none were controversial in any way.

I fully acknowledge that that SpartanMag writes from an MSU perspective, but they are called SpartanMag afterall, so why wouldn't they? If you've got specific examples I'd love to hear them. I just think there are guys like the ND writers and B&W Illustrated that are a million times more blatant.

Well the big thing bothering people is the UM recruits badmouthing MSU stuff. He wrote it to make it seem like Lloyd Carr is orchestrating this from on high.

What bothers me is he's sooooo transparent in pushing MSU. All he talked about in that article was PT and playing hoops and heavily implies that UM is using recruits to pressure him into committing. No mention of I don't know UM having better success, him being a lifelong UM fan, etc. It's just so slanted. What makes it worse is he has done this for a long time- the day or two before a recruit makes a decision Dorsey has these "unbiased articles where he compares depth charts and don't you know it, MSU always has the most favorable one! FWIW he admitted as much to me one time.

Big M · 08-02-2007, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by OPSpartan

And you probably bought all the hype about grady from spath and borton hook, line and sinker. Those two puppets live to whipe the drool from lloyds jowels.

I thought SpartanMag's hyping of Smith's OL class last year was far more egregious.

kgbmsu · 08-02-2007, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Big M

Well the big thing bothering people is the UM recruits badmouthing MSU stuff. He wrote it to make it seem like Lloyd Carr is orchestrating this from on high.

What bothers me is he's sooooo transparent in pushing MSU. All he talked about in that article was PT and playing hoops and heavily implies that UM is using recruits to pressure him into committing. No mention of I don't know UM having better success, him being a lifelong UM fan, etc. It's just so slanted. What makes it worse is he has done this for a long time- the day or two before a recruit makes a decision Dorsey has these "unbiased articles where he compares depth charts and don't you know it, MSU always has the most favorable one! FWIW he admitted as much to me one time.

Are you back to this again?? Jesus man, get a grip!!!!

spartans17 · 08-02-2007, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Big M

You really need help my man. I'm not leaving, I'm not going to stop posting, so save the bandwidth.

I've been on this board 10 years (sad I know..but that's besides the point) and the board is doing better than ever. I enjoy the debates and when you don't chime in with your mindless insults I've had some really great back and forth with Spartans here.

This coming from the guy who posts on every single MSU board on the net. Right, I need help

I don't care about you having debates or anything. What you need to learn is when not to post anything. People are pissed that Smith is going to UM. To have some UM douche come on here and tell us how great a job Dantonio is doing is NOT something we want to hear. Can you comprehend that?

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Originally Posted by Big M

You must miss all the posts where I

-Congratulate MSU teams and fans when their teams succeed

-Give props to Dantonio for his recruiting victories (like Hoover and Jeremiah)

You selectively pick my posts- stop it please.

I don't know why the hell you do that. You're freaking weird that's all. I know I'd never congratulate a UM fan for any of their team's success. And don't give me any of that classy bull****. I've seen your posts on the UM boards about MSU.

Right... Right after you went and said that the reason that UM didn't get Hoover was because the "UM guys" said they offered his as a TE even though Hoover said himself that they didn't. But ofcourse, the UM guys are always right.

Ozymandias · 08-02-2007, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by NYH

A prep D-lineman from Wichita committed to NU yesterday, so that brings the Husker 2008 recruiting class up to 19 total (prep + JC).

Question: Callahan is what, 22-15 at Nebraska, right? Have there been any "fix this NOW" sentiments? I mean, Solich had a much better record at this point in his time there. Is it the recruiting classes and the "hope" for a better tomorrow that is saving his ass?

OPSpartan · 08-02-2007, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Big M

I thought SpartanMag's hyping of Smith's OL class last year was far more egregious.

You UM'ers love to overplay that don't you. If I recall he/they said MSU would have one of the best Oline classes in the B10, not the best. Nothing compares to the Grady Rose Bowl practice hype. NOTHING!. You guys are too proud to admit Matt was right all along about pudgey Grady, he should've been a fullback.

kgbmsu · 08-02-2007, 05:24 PM

I would just like to give Beilein belated props on even getting Draymond Green to speak to him. It says alot about his character and personality to even get that far when he basically had zero chance of landing him. Really, way to go

Big M · 08-02-2007, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by spartans17

I don't know why the hell you do that. You're freaking weird that's all. I know I'd never congratulate a UM fan for any of their team's success. And don't give me any of that classy bull****. I've seen your posts on the UM boards about MSU.

Right... Right after you went and said that the reason that UM didn't get Hoover was because the "UM guys" said they offered his as a TE even though Hoover said himself that they didn't. But ofcourse, the UM guys are always right.

Now you're just making things up.

Am I more outspoken about MSU on the UM board? Yeah absolutely. Yet I also have defended MSU on the UM board many many times over things like JUCO's, academic standards, Dantonio, Izzo, and other things. I also admonished people to stop saying crap about Hoover after he committed.

And you're lying about Hoover. All I said was that UM wanted him as a TE so THE LOSS OF HOOVER wasn't that big of a deal since they had a commitment from another top TE. That's all I said. I never said or implied that he chose MSU because of that. Not once. You're dishonest. Stop it.

Ozymandias · 08-02-2007, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by spartans17

Right... Right after you went and said that the reason that UM didn't get Hoover was because the "UM guys" said they offered his as a TE even though Hoover said himself that they didn't. But ofcourse, the UM guys are always right.

And now Beaver is saying that UM passed on Gray and took Cox instead. Not that they could see the writing on the wall or anything...

OPSpartan · 08-02-2007, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by spartans17

This coming from the guy who posts on every single MSU board on the net. Right, I need help

I don't care about you having debates or anything. What you need to learn is when not to post anything. People are pissed that Smith is going to UM. To have some UM douche come on here and tell us how great a job Dantonio is doing is NOT something we want to hear. Can you comprehend that?

I don't know why the hell you do that. You're freaking weird that's all. I know I'd never congratulate a UM fan for any of their team's success. And don't give me any of that classy bull****. I've seen your posts on the UM boards about MSU.

Right... Right after you went and said that the reason that UM didn't get Hoover was because the "UM guys" said they offered his as a TE even though Hoover said himself that they didn't. But ofcourse, the UM guys are always right.

The gems about them backing off Charles Rogers are a must read.

Big M · 08-02-2007, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by OPSpartan

You UM'ers love to overplay that don't you. If I recall he/they said MSU would have one of the best Oline classes in the B10, not the best. Nothing compares to the Grady Rose Bowl practice hype. NOTHING!. You guys are too proud to admit Matt was right all along about pudgey Grady, he should've been a fullback.

Actually, I believe I admitted on this board that Dorsey got Grady right. I was completely wrong on that and I admitted it. Something you guys should try sometime. I was wrong, UM guys were wrong. Dorsey and dwags were right. Dude doesn't have the vision.

Second, the OL thing is hilarious because they hyped these guys as these awesome prospects, then Dantonio dropped them all like a rock and they ended up committing to MAC schools.

Ozymandias · 08-02-2007, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by OPSpartan

You UM'ers love to overplay that don't you. If I recall he/they said MSU would have one of the best Oline classes in the B10, not the best. Nothing compares to the Grady Rose Bowl practice hype. NOTHING!. You guys are too proud to admit Matt was right all along about pudgey Grady, he should've been a fullback.

Watching Grady in HS, it seemed a bit obvious that he should be a FB. His footwork wasn't very good (short choppy steps instead of strides) and he was too hefty. He was friggin 5'10", 230, for christ's sake! Hart has the short choppy steps but isn't nearly as big as Grady (Hart was 175 coming out of HS).

chitownsparty86 · 08-02-2007, 05:31 PM

I really dont think Big M is as bad as u guys make him out to be

spartans17 · 08-02-2007, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by kgbmsu

I would just like to give Beilein belated props on even getting Draymond Green to speak to him. It says alot about his character and personality to even get that far when he basically had zero chance of landing him. Really, way to go

Yeah, I bet that post would have gone over real well on the UM board.

"Sorry about taking a guy who would have started for you guys but will probably only be a career backup, guys. I just want to congratulate Beeline on putting up a helluva fight though. Really, great stuff guys."

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Originally Posted by Big M

Now you're just making things up.

Am I more outspoken about MSU on the UM board? Yeah absolutely. Yet I also have defended MSU on the UM board many many times over things like JUCO's, academic standards, Dantonio, Izzo, and other things. I also admonished people to stop saying crap about Hoover after he committed.

And you're lying about Hoover. All I said was that UM wanted him as a TE so THE LOSS OF HOOVER wasn't that big of a deal since they had a commitment from another top TE. That's all I said. I never said or implied that he chose MSU because of that. Not once. You're dishonest. Stop
it.

Yea I'm going to need proof of said defendings. I used to post on the UM bball board before I found this place. In my time there you never defended MSU at all, so I don't know where you're getting this BS from.

Admonished them?

You're saying the exact same bull**** that they are. What the hell were you trying to stop them from saying?

See, there you go again. How the hell do you know that UM wanted him as a TE? Are you Lloyd Carr? Or are the UM guys never wrong?

What the hell is your last sentence supposed to be doing? Do you think that if you write "stop it" I'm going to stop?

You're even dumber than I thought. But maybe it works on you, here let me give it a try.

You're a loser and a complete idiot. Stop it.

Stats · 08-02-2007, 05:35 PM

[blowsunshine]There is a silver lining in the Gray decision: if Demens follows him as expected, at least they aren't going to UM which means that DaShonte Riley won't have any friends from Country Day trying to convince him to Ann Arbor. And if he does talk to Gray or Demens, they can only explain that they didn't want to go into a rebuilding project and ultimately chose a program with a rich history and that offers the very good possibility of national publicity and great success.

[/blowsunshine]

SpartanRocky · 08-02-2007, 05:36 PM

Well, this is what happens when no "real" recruiting news comes out for a month. You kids need to take a deep breath, step back, and remember that this is a message board.

Oh, and I'm free if anyone wants to meet me at the airport for a DSF, just to blow off some steam

NYH · 08-02-2007, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Ozymandias

Question: Callahan is what, 22-15 at Nebraska, right? Have there been any "fix this NOW" sentiments? I mean, Solich had a much better record at this point in his time there. Is it the recruiting classes and the "hope" for a better tomorrow that is saving his ass?

A couple of differences:

1. The talent level dropped dramatically under Solich. Guy was not a recruiter. Callahan and Co. have raised the talent level and have proven to be very effective recruiters.
2. The fan base is patient and expected the transition to the WCO would take some time. The offense has improved in just about every statistical category since Callahan arrived.
3. Solich was getting blown out in his losses (2002 and 2003 specifcally). Now, I know Callahan has seen a few blow out losses too, but the fans write it off as growing pains -- it takes time to get a WCO in place and running smoothly.

Even as this season starts, I don't get the sense that the Husker Nation has a "fix it NOW" or must-win-now mentality. It's a building project in progress, and all of the signs indicate that Nebraska is headed in the right direction.

Eli Broads #1 Fan · 08-02-2007, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by fw190bvi

smith to UM
gray to UN
pannell to MSU

lock it.

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Originally Posted by Floyd170

I agree. What do you think about Perry and Demens?

I think Pannell is going to PSU as much as I hate to say it. I would love to have him.

Perry's um bound

I doubt Demens chooses MSU. I hope he does but it looks more like um 65%, Nebraska 35%.

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Originally Posted by kgbmsu

That is condescending. Dantonio gets no props until he starts getting some friggin commits.

I couldn't agree more kgbmsu.

Ozymandias · 08-02-2007, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by NYH

A couple of differences:

1. The talent level dropped dramatically under Solich. Guy was not a recruiter. Callahan and Co. have raised the talent level and have proven to be very effective recruiters.
2. The fan base is patient and expected the transition to the WCO would take some time. The offense has improved in just about every statistical category since Callahan arrived.
3. Solich was getting blown out in his losses (2002 and 2003 specifcally). Now, I know Callahan has seen a few blow out losses too, but the fans write it off as growing pains -- it takes time to get a WCO in place and running smoothly.

Even as this season starts, I don't get the sense that the Husker Nation has a "fix it NOW" or must-win-now mentality. It's a building project in progress, and all of the signs indicate that Nebraska is headed in the right direction.

Gotcha.

What does he need to do in the next couple years to keep the seat cool?

Eli Broads #1 Fan · 08-02-2007, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by PortlandSpartan

As if any of the professional journalists working the UM recruiting sites are any different. Puuuuuuuhlease.

Exactly!

And the um guys calling Fred Smith daily, just to check in on him isn't a subtle recruiting pitch? I have to be honest big m, I think Spartan Mag is WAY behind most other universities in pitching the school to recruits. I hate it when I see articles from Nebraska or um and you can tell that the author is pimping the school during the interview. It's not very often the SM does this. In my opinion, not nearly often enough.