tOfficial 2008 Football Recruiting Thread

[Green Forever]

Originally Posted by chitownsparty86

Zook is just a one in a $million type recruiter.

Fixed it for you.

[spartanMF]

JLS would have ust finished watching film of the six players both UM and MSU offered. MDs problem is that there is so much ammo for other schools to bash MSU right now its ridiculous. Can you imagine Callahan or Carr saying hey MSU got there asses kicked by Indiana last year.

[yatta08]

Originally Posted by tanfan

you people amaize me. The only way a coach can get recruits at Illinois and OHio State hoops is to pay them. What idiots.

I said OSU?

OSU is a big time program and has a lot to offer...illinois, not so much.

[yatta08]

Originally Posted by Baber

believe it or not tan but, I AGREE. Izzo gets good players and doesn't cheat to do it. Are you guys just pissed they are not coming to State? I can accept that.

The guys Izzo built his success on weren't 5 star guys (other than Cleaves, I believe). But he was a hell of a coach. He won. The recruits came.

What Zook is doing doesn't happen often. I cannot stress this enough.

[HoosierSparty82]

I realize Dantonio hasn't even coached a single game at MSU yet, and that MSU has sucked the past three seasons in a row etc., but I'm getting real tired of State getting dragged through the mud by in-state kids -- especially Detroit-area kids.

First, all we hear is cranking and moaning from PSL coaches about how MSU ignores Detroit kids under Cowboy Snakeoil. Fine. They have a beef. Then State hires a coach who comes right in and instead of saying that his Ohio ties are very important to the turnaround effort, specifically mentions in-state recruiting and getting into Detroit as the No.1 keys to success at MSU.

Then what happens?

State devotes all kinds of manhours for its coaching staff to recruiting the Detroit area hard, and they get stiffed at almost every turn. You can't count Hoover as a Detrioit kid, because he's a KVC suburb kid -- not PSL or other Detroit-proper league.

First it was Barksdale who led on and then stiffed him. Then it was Cedric Everson on signing-day morning (real classy, by the way). Then right on down the line with the exception of Burrell (who I think is much better than what the so-called experts are giving him credit for).

Gray bolts the state. Demens is likely on his way out, too. Pannell is probably heading to Penn State. This is crazy.

These Detroit kids need to wake up. State is a 90-minute drive away, which is just far enough to get away from home and just close enough for their families to drive up and see them.

Also, I'm really tired of hearing all the moaning about our facilities. To hear these spoiled brats tell it, you'd think the Spartans were working out in a storage locker somewhere, without air conditioning and with only one Bo-Flex machine that they all have to share.

Give me a break. They should see where the guys at Indiana and Illinois have to work out -- and study at -- as compared to State's facilities, which are being even more upgraded as we speak.

In one sense, I'm happy some of these guys are heading out of state and not to Big Blue -- but in another sense, what does this all say about MSU and the way these Detroit kids see it?

The Spartans are getting treated like a MAC level team by Detroit kids and families. This is probably because Detroit has a giant Blue 'M' stamped on it and all these people hear about State is negative stuff from the Detroit papers and TV stations.

I know we have to see results on the field for that to even start changing. But c'mon ... it's a Big Ten school, with a great academic support system for athletes, a sweet stadium with natural grass and a fanbase that -- aside from being fed up with choke jobs and moron coaches -- is rabid about Michigan State football.

Nebraska has tradition over State? Really?

Oh, so now we're going back to the Tom Osbourne-Tommie Frazier days?

Give me a break. The only recent tradition the Huskers have cultivated is getting their asses handed to them by Big 12 South teams on a regular basis. I personally can't wait until Oklahoma and Texas each make 85 new girlfriends the week they play the Huskers and their over-rated coaching staff.

Just because Michigan State doesn't have the years it won national titles plastered all over the outside of its stadium, like Nebraska does, doesn't mean Nebraska has more recent tradition.

So, I take offense at these guys bolting the state just because they view ScUm as the only Big Ten option in it. That's bull. And when Jonas Gray is getting smothered in the backfield on nothing but sprint draws against Texas, A&M or Oklahoma, maybe he'll realize it.

Also, Callahan has a long history of being a real jerk -- both on the field and off. Does anybody not realize this guy will jump at the NFL if the league ever comes calling again?

Anyway, just had to vent. State is a fine school that deserves to be treated like a Big Ten school in football, regardless of how bad it's been the past three seasons.



Addendum: Honestly, I want kids who want to be Spartans to play for State. Anybody else, no matter their star rating, can take their butt to some other school.

[Spartan Pride]

Hear Pannell will be deciding tomorrow...anyone confirm this?

[St8 Law]

Originally Posted by HoosierSparty82

I realize Dantonio hasn't even coached a single game at MSU yet, and that MSU has sucked the past three seasons in a row etc., but I'm getting real tired of State getting dragged through the mud by in-state kids -- especially Detroit-area kids.

First, all we hear is cranking and moaning from PSL coaches about how MSU ignores Detroit kids under Cowboy Snakeoil. Fine. They have a beef. Then State hires a coach who comes right in and instead of saying that his Ohio ties are very important to the turnaround effort, specifically mentions in-state recruiting and getting into Detroit as the No.1 keys to success at MSU.

Then what happens?

State devotes all kinds of manhours for its coaching staff to recruiting the Detroit area hard, and they get stiffed at almost every turn. You can't count Hoover as a Detrioit kid, because he's a KVC suburb kid -- not PSL or other Detroit-proper league.

First it was Barksdale who led on and then stiffed him. Then it was Cedric Everson on signing-day morning (real classy, by the way). Then right on down the line with the exception of Burrell (who I think is much better than what the so-called experts are giving him credit for).

Gray bolts the state. Demens is likely on his way out, too. Pannell is probably heading to Penn State. This is crazy.

These Detroit kids need to wake up. State is a 90-minute drive away, which is just far enough to get away from home and just close enough for their families to drive up and see them.

Also, I'm really tired of hearing all the moaning about our facilities. To hear these spoiled brats tell it, you'd think the Spartans were working out in a storage locker somewhere, without air conditioning and with only one Bo-Flex machine that they all have to share.

Give me a break. They should see where the guys at Indiana and Illinois have to work out -- and study at -- as compared to State's facilities, which are being even more upgraded as we speak.

In one sense, I'm happy some of these guys are heading out of state and not to Big Blue -- but in another sense, what does this all say about MSU and the way these Detroit kids see it?

The Spartans are getting treated like a MAC level team by Detroit kids and families. This is probably because Detroit has a giant Blue 'M' stamped on it and all these people hear about State is negative stuff from the Detroit papers and TV stations.

I know we have to see results on the field for that to even start changing. But c'mon ... it's a Big Ten school, with a great academic support system for athletes, a sweet stadium with natural grass and a fanbase that -- aside from being fed up with choke jobs and moron coaches -- is rabid about Michigan State football.

Nebraska has tradition over State? Really?

Oh, so now we're going back to the Tom Osbourne-Tommie Frazier days?

Give me a break. The only recent tradition the Huskers have cultivated is getting their asses handed to them by Big 12 South teams on a regular basis. I personally can't wait until Oklahoma and Texas each make 85 new girlfriends the week they play the Huskers and their over-rated coaching staff.

Just because Michigan State doesn't have the years it won national titles plastered all over the outside of its stadium, like Nebraska does, doesn't mean Nebraska has more recent tradition.

So, I take offense at these guys bolting the state just because they view ScUm as the only Big Ten option in it. That's bull. And when Jonas Gray is getting smothered in the backfield on nothing but sprint draws against Texas, A&M or Oklahoma, maybe he'll realize it.

Also, Callahan has a long history of being a real jerk -- both on the field and off. Does anybody not realize this guy will jump at the NFL if the league ever comes calling again?

Anyway, just had to vent. State is a fine school that deserves to be treated like a Big Ten school in football, regardless of how bad it's been the past three seasons.



Addendum: Honestly, I want kids who want to be Spartans to play for State. Anybody else, no matter their star rating, can take their butt to some other school.

Well said, I could not agree more!

[spartan80]

Originally Posted by Sparty Spartan

So how is Illinois doing it. Zook hasn't shown great progress and he is selling the program.

Well think about it. If the team sucks, the facilities are average or below, and there's no great tradition, what would you expect to be the reason for incredible recruiting?

I'd say either Zook is some kind of Pied Piper, super sales freak, or the Illinois boosters are getting $300 car washes.

[St8 Law]

Originally Posted by spartan80

Well think about it. If the team sucks, the facilities are average or below, and there's no great tradition, what would you expect to be the reason for incredible recruiting?

I'd say either Zook is some kind of Pied Piper, super sales freak, or the Illinois boosters are getting $300 car washes.

The funny thing is that if you say they are cheating people on here get offended and think you are crying but there is absolutely NOTHING to help Illinois recruiting. Their record is sub par, the facilities are below average from what I have been told, Champagne is nothing to write home about and Zook has done nothing but get fired. What gives? And do not tell me he is a good recruiter. He tells kids nothing more than what others say. Beating out MSU is one thing. But beating out ND, UM, tOSU and other powerhouse is a completely different thing.

[spartan80]

Originally Posted by St8 Law

The funny thing is that if you say they are cheating people on here get offended and think you are crying but there is absolutely NOTHING to help Illinois recruiting. Their record is sub par, the facilities are below average from what I have been told, Champagne is nothing to write home about and Zook has done nothing but get fired. What gives? And do not tell me he is a good recruiter. He tells kids nothing more than what others say. Beating out MSU is one thing. But beating out ND, UM, tOSU and other powerhouse is a completely different thing.

I know for a fact that boosters gave BT players cash, and I'm sure they still do. Based on what you see at Illinois regarding recruiting, I'd expect something untoward is going on. If people don't like me saying that fine, but it's the only explanation I could give.

[Golfnut]

Originally Posted by HoosierSparty82

I realize Dantonio hasn't even coached a single game at MSU yet, and that MSU has sucked the past three seasons in a row etc., but I'm getting real tired of State getting dragged through the mud by in-state kids -- especially Detroit-area kids.

First, all we hear is cranking and moaning from PSL coaches about how MSU ignores Detroit kids under Cowboy Snakeoil. Fine. They have a beef. Then State hires a coach who comes right in and instead of saying that his Ohio ties are very important to the turnaround effort, specifically mentions in-state recruiting and getting into Detroit as the No.1 keys to success at MSU.

Then what happens?

State devotes all kinds of manhours for its coaching staff to recruiting the Detroit area hard, and they get stiffed at almost every turn. You can't count Hoover as a Detrioit kid, because he's a KVC suburb kid -- not PSL or other Detroit-proper league.

First it was Barksdale who led on and then stiffed him. Then it was Cedric Everson on signing-day morning (real classy, by the way). Then right on down the line with the exception of Burrell (who I think is much better than what the so-called experts are giving him credit for).

Gray bolts the state. Demens is likely on his way out, too. Pannell is probably heading to Penn State. This is crazy.

These Detroit kids need to wake up. State is a 90-minute drive away, which is just far enough to get away from home and just close enough for their families to drive up and see them.

Also, I'm really tired of hearing all the moaning about our facilities. To hear these spoiled brats tell it, you'd think the Spartans were working out in a storage locker somewhere, without air conditioning and with only one Bo-Flex machine that they all have to share.

Give me a break. They should see where the guys at Indiana and Illinois have to work out -- and study at -- as compared to State's facilities, which are being even more upgraded as we speak.

In one sense, I'm happy some of these guys are heading out of state and not to Big Blue -- but in another sense, what does this all say about MSU and the way these Detroit kids see it?

The Spartans are getting treated like a MAC level team by Detroit kids and families. This is probably because Detroit has a giant Blue 'M' stamped on it and all these people hear about State is negative stuff from the Detroit papers and TV stations.

I know we have to see results on the field for that to even start changing. But c'mon ... it's a Big Ten school, with a great academic support system for athletes, a sweet stadium with natural grass and a fanbase that -- aside from being fed up with choke jobs and moron coaches -- is rabid about Michigan State football.

Nebraska has tradition over State? Really?

Oh, so now we're going back to the Tom Osbourne-Tommie Frazier days?

Give me a break. The only recent tradition the Huskers have cultivated is getting their asses handed to them by Big 12 South teams on a regular basis. I personally can't wait until Oklahoma and Texas each make 85 new girlfriends the week they play the Huskers and their over-rated coaching staff.

Just because Michigan State doesn't have the years it won national titles plastered all over the outside of its stadium, like Nebraska does, doesn't mean Nebraska has more recent tradition.

So, I take offense at these guys bolting the state just because they view ScUm as the only Big Ten option in it. That's bull. And when Jonas Gray is getting smothered in the backfield on nothing but sprint draws against Texas, A&M or Oklahoma, maybe he'll realize it.

Also, Callahan has a long history of being a real jerk -- both on the field and off. Does anybody not realize this guy will jump at the NFL if the league ever comes calling again?

Anyway, just had to vent. State is a fine school that deserves to be treated like a Big Ten school in football, regardless of how bad it's been the past three seasons.



Addendum: Honestly, I want kids who want to be Spartans to play for State. Anybody else, no matter their star rating, can take their butt to some other school.

sorry to break it to you but MSU has played like a MAC-team the last twenty years.

[Ron Jeremy]

Originally Posted by HoosierSparty82

I realize Dantonio hasn't even coached a single game at MSU yet, and that MSU has sucked the past three seasons in a row etc., but I'm getting real tired of State getting dragged through the mud by in-state kids -- especially Detroit-area kids.

First, all we hear is cranking and moaning from PSL coaches about how MSU ignores Detroit kids under Cowboy Snakeoil. Fine. They have a beef. Then State hires a coach who comes right in and instead of saying that his Ohio ties are very important to the turnaround effort, specifically mentions in-state recruiting and getting into Detroit as the No.1 keys to success at MSU.

Then what happens?

State devotes all kinds of manhours for its coaching staff to recruiting the Detroit area hard, and they get stiffed at almost every turn. You can't count Hoover as a Detrioit kid, because he's a KVC suburb kid -- not PSL or other Detroit-proper league.

First it was Barksdale who led on and then stiffed him. Then it was Cedric Everson on signing-day morning (real classy, by the way). Then right on down the line with the exception of Burrell (who I think is much better than what the so-called experts are giving him credit for).

Gray bolts the state. Demens is likely on his way out, too. Pannell is probably heading to Penn State. This is crazy.

These Detroit kids need to wake up. State is a 90-minute drive away, which is just far enough to get away from home and just close enough for their families to drive up and see them.

Also, I'm really tired of hearing all the moaning about our facilities. To hear these spoiled brats tell it, you'd think the Spartans were working out in a storage locker somewhere, without air conditioning and with only one Bo-Flex machine that they all have to share.

Give me a break. They should see where the guys at Indiana and Illinois have to work out -- and study at -- as compared to State's facilities, which are being even more upgraded as we speak.

In one sense, I'm happy some of these guys are heading out of state and not to Big Blue -- but in another sense, what does this all say about MSU and the way these Detroit kids see it?

The Spartans are getting treated like a MAC level team by Detroit kids and families. This is probably because Detroit has a giant Blue 'M' stamped on it and all these people hear about State is negative stuff from the Detroit papers and TV stations.

I know we have to see results on the field for that to even start changing. But c'mon ... it's a Big Ten school, with a great academic support system for athletes, a sweet stadium with natural grass and a fanbase that -- aside from being fed up with choke jobs and moron coaches -- is rabid about Michigan State football.

Nebraska has tradition over State? Really?

Oh, so now we're going back to the Tom Osbourne-Tommie Frazier days?

Give me a break. The only recent tradition the Huskers have cultivated is getting their asses handed to them by Big 12 South teams on a regular basis. I personally can't wait until Oklahoma and Texas each make 85 new girlfriends the week they play the Huskers and their over-rated coaching staff.

Just because Michigan State doesn't have the years it won national titles plastered all over the outside of its stadium, like Nebraska does, doesn't mean Nebraska has more recent tradition.

So, I take offense at these guys bolting the state just because they view ScUm as the only Big Ten option in it. That's bull. And when Jonas Gray is getting smothered in the backfield on nothing but sprint draws against Texas, A&M or Oklahoma, maybe he'll realize it.

Also, Callahan has a long history of being a real jerk -- both on the field and off. Does anybody not realize this guy will jump at the NFL if the league ever comes calling again?

Anyway, just had to vent. State is a fine school that deserves to be treated like a Big Ten school in football, regardless of how bad it's been the past three seasons.



Addendum: Honestly, I want kids who want to be Spartans to play for State. Anybody else, no matter their star rating, can take their butt to some other school.

Sad thing is we appear to be sinking lower than we were under JLS, Perles, BW, and Saban.

You could always count on MSU locking up a few top players from MI every year, no matter the record. Can't count on that any longer.

Check out Rivals and Scout. We are in on hardly anyone of substance we have a chance of landing. 5 and 4 stars don't even look in our direction, and 3 stars have us well below the others, for the most part. If they did, they committed elsewhere, except Hoover.

This is going to get much worse before it gets better.

[goState18]

Originally Posted by Mitch C.

Sad thing is we appear to be sinking lower than we were under JLS, Perles, BW, and Saban.

You could always count on MSU locking up a few top players from MI every year, no matter the record. Can't count on that any longer.

Check out Rivals and Scout. We are in on hardly anyone of substance we have a chance of landing. 5 and 4 stars don't even look in our direction, and 3 stars have us well below the others, for the most part. If they did, they committed elsewhere, except Hoover.

This is going to get much worse before it gets better.

I intend to ride the ride the whole way. If we jump off at the bottom, we'll never get back up.

[HoosierSparty82]

Originally Posted by Golfnut

sorry to break it to you but MSU has played like a MAC-team the last twenty years.

So, a MAC team would've won 10 games in 1999-2000 plus a New Year's Day game, and a MAC team would've won the Big Ten and the Rose Bowl in 1987-88 and a MAC team would've won a share of three straight Big Ten titles in the late 1980s to early 1990s?

A MAC team would've pounded Notre Dame by nearly 40 points in one half and beaten ND something like five or six straight times?

A MAC team would've won the services of T.J. Duckett and Charles Rogers and Amp Campbell and Tony Banks -- not to mention Lorenzo White, Mark Ingram, Ryan Van Dyke, Jeff Smoker, Drew Stanton, Percy Snow, Harlan Barnett and a litany of others?

Hardly. You are forgetting alot of good MSU football.

[No excuses, but...]

Originally Posted by goState18

I intend to ride the ride the whole way. If we jump off at the bottom, we'll never get back up.

You don't sell stock when its down...thats the time to buy up more

[Golfnut]

Originally Posted by HoosierSparty82

So, a MAC team would've won 10 games in 1999-2000 plus a New Year's Day game, and a MAC team would've won the Big Ten and the Rose Bowl in 1987-88 and a MAC team would've won a share of three straight Big Ten titles in the late 1980s to early 1990s?

A MAC team would've pounded Notre Dame by nearly 40 points in one half and beaten ND something like five or six straight times?

A MAC team would've won the services of T.J. Duckett and Charles Rogers and Amp Campbell and Tony Banks -- not to mention Lorenzo White, Mark Ingram, Ryan Van Dyke, Jeff Smoker, Drew Stanton, Percy Snow, Harlan Barnett and a litany of others?

Hardly. You are forgetting alot of good MSU football.

Marshall?

[HoosierSparty82]

... I realize Van Dyke didn't pan out to be what he was hyped, but he was highly ranked coming out of HS and his finalists were MSU, Notre Dame and Purdue.

No MAC level team would've gotten him.

State has played like a MAC team the past three years, because the coaching staff was afraid to beat anybody. Don't confuse the past seven years with the past 20.

[JBSpartan4life]

Originally Posted by Golfnut

sorry to break it to you but MSU has played like a MAC-team the last twenty years.

You couldn't of thought of anything more clever

[JBSpartan4life]

Originally Posted by Golfnut

Marshall?

doubt it, nice try though scUM fan.

[Mr. Tanfan]

[Green Forever]

Originally Posted by tanfan

Is that your wife? (Or how she prefers you?)

[Mr. Tanfan]

Originally Posted by Green Forever

Is that your wife? (Or how she prefers you?)

that's how she prefers me.

[Green Forever]

Originally Posted by tanfan

that's how she prefers me.

[GCode9]

I got drunk with Van Dyke in Chicago last weekend.

Originally Posted by HoosierSparty82

... I realize Van Dyke didn't pan out to be what he was hyped, but he was highly ranked coming out of HS and his finalists were MSU, Notre Dame and Purdue.

No MAC level team would've gotten him.

State has played like a MAC team the past three years, because the coaching staff was afraid to beat anybody. Don't confuse the past seven years with the past 20.

[PortlandSpartan]

Originally Posted by Mitch C.

Sad thing is we appear to be sinking lower than we were under JLS, Perles, BW, and Saban.

You could always count on MSU locking up a few top players from MI every year, no matter the record. Can't count on that any longer.

Check out Rivals and Scout. We are in on hardly anyone of substance we have a chance of landing. 5 and 4 stars don't even look in our direction, and 3 stars have us well below the others, for the most part. If they did, they committed elsewhere, except Hoover.

This is going to get much worse before it gets better.