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AASpartan · 01-23-2009, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Mitch C.

I saw that on Scout, they had Freeman backdated to the 2008 class. Thought it was odd, if not true, we have one spot left.

Nice to be a couple weeks from signing day with a full class full of good players at positions of need, and not scrambling to fill spots at the last minute, and carrying scholarships forward.

What are we looking at for 2010, 17 scholarships?

They just didn't have a listing for him for 2009. That's the only reason why they had him in with the 2008 guys. Confusing, but they probably should have updated his entry.

Coached By Duffy · 01-23-2009, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mitch C.

We possibly recruited an entire starting OL in the 2009 class.

Barrent and Conway - OT
Klatt - C or G
Reynolds - G
Treadwell - DT or C/G
France - DT or OG
Hoebing - TE, or could bulk up and move inside to G

I like the versatility of this class with respect to the interior lines on both sides of the ball to compliment the bookend OT's in Barrent and Conway.

Overall this class is outstanding, addressed RB, QB, LB, OL, TE and DL very well. With Dixon and White likely to play DB and CB respectedly, we added there too.

We are at 20 verbals, 1-2 more to go. Freeman being backdated to 2008 apparently.

With Barrent, Klatt, Conway, and Reynolds coming in, plus a young core of Foreman, McGaha, Ruhland, Woods, McDonald, Deyo and Hueter returning, MSU's OL should be solid for years to come.

Stats · 01-23-2009, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mitch C.

We are at 20 verbals, 1-2 more to go. Freeman being backdated to 2008 apparently.

Backdating is only applicable when you're running into the 25 players per class limit (in which case you're allowed to backdate up to three early enrollees meaning you can really take 28 in a single class). Which class a player is part of makes no difference in terms of the 85 total players on scholarship limit, which is what we're running into.

Randolph Junuh · 01-23-2009, 06:28 PM

These are the new state of Michigan rankings from rivals with the old ranking following their name.

1 Campbell (1)
2 Baker (2)
3 Norman (3)
4 Maxwell (6)
5 Jackson (4)
6 C. Gordon (5)
7 Caper (9)
8 Sims (8)
9 Treadwell (7)
10 Gainer (13)
11 Spencer (10)

15 Fowler (30)
20 Reynolds (20)
25 Dixon (24)

matt4msu · 01-23-2009, 06:39 PM

how do you know that I just checked rivals and the new rankings havent popped up yet

spartaspartan · 01-23-2009, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by matt4msu

how do you know that I just checked rivals and the new rankings havent popped up yet

they are up for me

Stats · 01-23-2009, 07:22 PM

We're not in the running for any of these guys, but an interesting read nonetheless:

From Reuben Randle to Greg Reid, predicting Signing Day decisions - Andy Staples - SI.com

Island of misfit toys · 01-24-2009, 09:06 PM

I'd like to get some comments from some of you guys about our 'desperate' situation at DE. There are a lot of young guys who could develop, so what are we really talking about? Is it simply an upgrade of talent? Here are the possibilities as I understand them:

Anderson Sr.
Hoover RF
Jude RF
Johnson Jr
Williams RF
Stevens RF
Rolf So
Freeman F
France F
Neely Jr
Strayhorn So

spartaspartan · 01-24-2009, 09:56 PM

Anderson and Neely start...................Hoover and Ish Johnson come next............Jude, Rolf, and Stevens compete for playing time.

The situation is not as dire as everyone on here is leading on. Hoover has a ton of potential, Ish could be really good and is unproven. They are both young and hungry. I don't think the situation is dire at all

Island of misfit toys · 01-24-2009, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by spartaspartan

Anderson and Neely start...................Hoover and Ish Johnson come next............Jude, Rolf, and Stevens compete for playing time.

The situation is not as dire as everyone on here is leading on. Hoover has a ton of potential, Ish could be really good and is unproven. They are both young and hungry. I don't think the situation is dire at all

It's funny looking at that list and remembering only two of those guys will be on the field at a time, anyway.

CoachedbyDuffy says we need an upgrade over Neely. I couldn't say, I can't see that much watching a game only once and without watching video isolating on individual players.

Coached By Duffy · 01-25-2009, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by '86

It's funny looking at that list and remembering only two of those guys will be on the field at a time, anyway.

CoachedbyDuffy says we need an upgrade over Neely. I couldn't say, I can't see that much watching a game only once and without watching video isolating on individual players.

Neely got some PT last season when Trevor Anderson was banged up but didn't contribute much. Neither Neely or Strayhorn are very tall and both have short arms which is a liability in rushing the passer and they aren't very big, so they get engulfed by big OT's in the running game.
Jude is bigger than both of them but word is, he needs to work on his technique as a DE but he may develop into a pass rusher.
Johnson is big and athletic and looks the part of a strongside DE physically but word is, he has been slow to learn the defensive schemes. He needs to put potential into production.
Hoover had some injury problems early on and was red-shirted. He should be the starter @ strongside DE next year.
Rolf, Williams and Stevens were recruited as LB's. It remains to be seen whether any of them will be switched to DE permanently. One of them might even become a FB.
France was recruited as a DT but he will be red-shirted next year so the Staff can evaluate his best position. He might become a strongside DE.
Freeman showed some explosiveness off the edge in his HS highlights. He may be able to contribute as a situational pass rusher as a freshman.
One of MSU's weaknesses last year on defense was the pass rush. MSU needs a stud pass rusher on defense that other team's offenses have to account for on every play.

ClarkstonGreen · 01-25-2009, 01:43 AM

Just started to breakdown the class in terms of national rankings......and my, oh my, are these guys studs........

National Position Rank(per Rivals)

RB: #6 (Baker), #28 (Caper) as of today, the best one/two RB class in the nation.
QB: #9 pro-style (Maxwell) and Elite 11 Qb
OT: #9 (Barrent) #2 Best pass blocking OL
OLB: #6 (Norman), #15 (Gainer)
C: #3 (Treadwell), #5 (Klatt), easily the best center class in the nation
TE: #5 (Sims), #2 fastest TE and #2 Best Athletic TE in nation

Granted, some of these guys will play different positions in college, but any way you slice it, this is one hell of a list..........if we add Drummond, then you simply drop in the #7 strongside DE and #4 pass rusher into the list......

fantastic year, Coach D, congrats......

Island of misfit toys · 01-25-2009, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Coached By Duffy

Neely got some PT last season when Trevor Anderson was banged up but didn't contribute much. Neither Neely or Strayhorn are very tall and both have short arms which is a liability in rushing the passer and they aren't very big, so they get engulfed by big OT's in the running game.
Jude is bigger than both of them but word is, he needs to work on his technique as a DE but he may develop into a pass rusher.
Johnson is big and athletic and looks the part of a strongside DE physically but word is, he has been slow to learn the defensive schemes. He needs to put potential into production.
Hoover had some injury problems early on and was red-shirted. He should be the starter @ strongside DE next year.
Rolf, Williams and Stevens were recruited as LB's. It remains to be seen whether any of them will be switched to DE permanently. One of them might even become a FB.
France was recruited as a DT but he will be red-shirted next year so the Staff can evaluate his best position. He might become a strongside DE.
Freeman showed some explosiveness off the edge in his HS highlights. He may be able to contribute as a situational pass rusher as a freshman.
One of MSU's weaknesses last year on defense was the pass rush. MSU needs a stud pass rusher on defense that other team's offenses have to account for on every play.

I appreciate the breakdown. With our depth at LB, one would think we could free up one of the LBs if they could become impact rush ends. And, that's the issue, isn't it? We don't have a shortage of what could become serviceable DEs, but there's always room for a terror on the outside.

JOHNNYDRAMA08 · 01-25-2009, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by '86

I'd like to get some comments from some of you guys about our 'desperate' situation at DE. There are a lot of young guys who could develop, so what are we really talking about? Is it simply an upgrade of talent? Here are the possibilities as I understand them:

Anderson Sr.
Hoover RF
Jude RF
Johnson Jr
Williams RF
Stevens RF
Rolf So
Freeman F
France F
Neely Jr
Strayhorn So

That's true there are a lot of young guys that can develop. It is an upgrade of talent needed IMO. We could have the best DB's in the country, but any receiver can get open if he has all day. Against good teams this year we weren't able to pressure the QB and they threw all over us (PSU, CAL, OSU). If we get great talent at DE we could definitely have one of the best defenses in a few years.

robin586 · 01-25-2009, 09:13 PM

It looks like Bowling Green is doing well in MI

presto34 · 01-26-2009, 10:52 AM

With Drummond being out of the picture, we still have offers out to (according to Scout) the uncommitted prospects Moffett, Killebrew, Jones and DJ Hunter.

Still a good chance with Jones but it appears that may be it, unless we get a surprise on signing day. Anybody have any idea what such a surprise might be?

Island of misfit toys · 01-26-2009, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JOHNNYDRAMA08

That's true there are a lot of young guys that can develop. It is an upgrade of talent needed IMO. We could have the best DB's in the country, but any receiver can get open if he has all day. Against good teams this year we weren't able to pressure the QB and they threw all over us (PSU, CAL, OSU). If we get great talent at DE we could definitely have one of the best defenses in a few years.

Got it. So, the DEs we really need are the plan A guys like Drummond. We have plenty of guys who could be serviceable, but we need the freaks of nature if we can get them. It makes me wonder if

will take guys who merely project as serviceable when we already have enough of them.

Blake Ezor · 01-26-2009, 01:12 PM

would love to have Jones fill one of the remaining 'ships

robin586 · 01-26-2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by '86

Got it. So, the DEs we really need are the plan A guys like Drummond. We have plenty of guys who could be serviceable, but we need the freaks of nature if we can get them. It makes me wonder if

will take guys who merely project as serviceable when we already have enough of them.

I don't think that Dantonio brings in recruits to be serviceable...The lower-rated guys that Dantonio have brought in still have great upside.

Gods03 · 01-26-2009, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Blake Ezor

would love to have Jones fill one of the remaining 'ships

Outside of a signing day surprise, I would have to think that he would be it at this point. Banking 1 or 2 ships for next year is just fine.

Hopefully he comes to EL....

burnsmi4 · 01-26-2009, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Gods03

Outside of a signing day surprise, I would have to think that he would be it at this point. Banking 1 or 2 ships for next year is just fine.

Hopefully he comes to EL....

once again banking scholarships is a bad idea. now if Dantonio goes after someone and on signing day and he picks somewhere else then that is fine if we have a couple left over. but case in point, take a look at what happened to Georgia this past year. 18 season ending injuries and plenty of them were starters.

besides no one truely knows how many scholarships a school will have year in and year out. people go to the draft early, commit crimes and get kicked off the team. so your ****ed if you bank scholarships, something happens and realize that you need to sign more guys than the NCAA will allow.

Polo04CDs · 01-26-2009, 05:51 PM

So we have 1-3 spots left if Freeman dose not qualify. So who do we finish with? Jones....

Spartan Pride · 01-26-2009, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by burnsmi4

once again banking scholarships is a bad idea. now if Dantonio goes after someone and on signing day and he picks somewhere else then that is fine if we have a couple left over. but case in point, take a look at what happened to Georgia this past year. 18 season ending injuries and plenty of them were starters.

besides no one truely knows how many scholarships a school will have year in and year out. people go to the draft early, commit crimes and get kicked off the team. so your ****ed if you bank scholarships, something happens and realize that you need to sign more guys than the NCAA will allow.

Not if there isn't a player worthy of a scholarship.

MD said at signing day last year they could have signed a couple more players.

SpartanFan81 · 01-26-2009, 06:32 PM

The scholarships Dantonio banks he likes to use for kids who come up through the walk-on ranks. The Blair White, Mike Bacon, Brandon Denson, Jeff Mcpherson type players. My guess is in the next few years we will see Jonathan Strayhorn on a scholarship and possibly a guy like Bendzuk or Setterbo whoever ends up winning a starting fullback job.

burnsmi4 · 01-26-2009, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Spartan Pride

Not if there isn't a player worthy of a scholarship.

MD said at signing day last year they could have signed a couple more players.

there are plenty of great players across the country still that we could go after. im not saying we will get them and odds are we still might have a scholarship or two left over because someone decided on another school at signing day. but posters here are talking about banking scholarships with multiple weeks left in the recruiting season. take a chance on a high profile guy and if you dont give him then i agree they can go to a walk-on.