'09 IL DE Craig Drummond (Ole Miss Verbal)

[Ben A]

Originally Posted by Blake Ezor

pretty much everything you wrote is misguided.

1st, I would not want MSU dealing with "family agents"

2nd, it appears losing out on drummond impacted the Drones commitment, not the other way around as you suggest.


so instead of telling everyone to show class and chill, do some homework next time.

You said Nutt can't recruit, Mustain was the #10 player in the nation out of HS, McFadden #23, and Felix Jones was a 4 star and is playing in the NFL, was that misguided???

The guy can coach. Ole Miss had a better season than we did and had an even bigger turn-around. They didnt go to a bowl last year and then went and beat TT. They were the only team to beat Florida and have a few players that are very highly regarded in the draft

No one at MSU or for all we know Ole Miss is dealing with this "family agent". The only people dealing with him are the recruiting websites.

The only FACT here is that we really don't know enough about the situation. I'm simply suggesting that we don't go all and jump to conclusions

[sarcyspice]

Originally Posted by Ben A

You said Nutt can't recruit, Mustain was the #10 player in the nation out of HS, McFadden #23, and Felix Jones was a 4 star and is playing in the NFL, was that misguided???

Wasn't the deal with Mustain that his HS coach was also "hired" at the same time to be the QB coach ????

and people at the time said it "smelt funny"

[ClarkstonGreen]

Originally Posted by Ben A

You said Nutt can't recruit, Mustain was the #10 player in the nation out of HS, McFadden #23, and Felix Jones was a 4 star and is playing in the NFL, was that misguided???

The guy can coach. Ole Miss had a better season than we did and had an even bigger turn-around. They didnt go to a bowl last year and then went and beat TT. They were the only team to beat Florida and have a few players that are very highly regarded in the draft

No one at MSU or for all we know Ole Miss is dealing with this "family agent". The only people dealing with him are the recruiting websites.

The only FACT here is that we really don't know enough about the situation. I'm simply suggesting that we don't go all and jump to conclusions

hey, Ben, you clearly have no clue....

Mitch Mustain went to Arkansas because Nutt job hired his high school coach....then, when the coach left he transferred out of Arkansas.

Because a coach has two good players does not mean he can recruit. If you don't believe me, go to Rivals and look it up.

Because John L. Smith got Javon Ringer does that make him a good recruiter?

[Blake Ezor]

Ben A, don't embarrass yourself...stop while you have a shred of dignity. It's very reasonable for us to draw these conclusions....again, do some homework.

[Ben A]

Originally Posted by ClarkstonGreen

hey, Ben, you clearly have no clue....

Mitch Mustain went to Arkansas because Nutt job hired his high school coach....then, when the coach left he transferred out of Arkansas.

Because a coach has two good players does not mean he can recruit. If you don't believe me, go to Rivals and look it up.

Because John L. Smith got Javon Ringer does that make him a good recruiter?

Apparently Craig Drummond thinks Nutt can recruit

What I am trying to say is that we shouldn't jump to conclusions that shady stuff has been going on with this. The kid (apparently) committed just last night.

The fact is that Ole Miss had a better season than us, won their bowl game, plays in a tougher conference, has a good coach, a system that puts players in the pros, and a bright future.

Aside from distance to home, why wouldn't the kid want to go to Ole Miss?

[Ben A]

Originally Posted by Blake Ezor

Ben A, don't embarrass yourself...stop while you have a shred of dignity. It's very reasonable for us to draw these conclusions....again, do some homework.

My point is that NONE OF US have a clue on this issue. We're just a bunch of nerds on a recruiting message board.

I'm suggesting he has plenty of reasons why he'd want to go to Ole Miss and I'm choosing to believe his choice was made free from shenanigans

PS Rivals has them preseason #14

[Blake Ezor]

Originally Posted by Ben A

Apparently Craig Drummond thinks Nutt can recruit

What I am trying to say is that we shouldn't jump to conclusions that shady stuff has been going on with this. The kid (apparently) committed just last night.

The fact is that Ole Miss had a better season than us, won their bowl game, plays in a tougher conference, has a good coach, a system that puts players in the pros, and a bright future.

Aside from distance to home, why wouldn't the kid want to go to Ole Miss?

because, had you done your homework, you would have read that after his visit, he was less than thrilled with it. Therefore, to the logical person, this doesn't add up. For crying out loud, give it up already. It's completely within reason to have our suspicions...that being said, I'm over it and so is most everyone else....let it die dude.

[Blake Ezor]

Originally Posted by Ben A

My point is that NONE OF US have a clue on this issue. We're just a bunch of nerds on a recruiting message board.

I'm suggesting he has plenty of reasons why he'd want to go to Ole Miss and I'm choosing to believe his choice was made free from shenanigans

PS Rivals has them preseason #14

1st of all, if we were "nerds" as you suggest, we'd be at spartanmag, not here

2nd if Ole Mi$$ is so highly regarded, explain the extremely lacluster recruiting class your boy Nutt is assembling over there.

[02alumnus]

Blake, you may very well end up correct, but you're assuming waaaay too much about what happened. We don't know what was to who by who, and to immediately think that it must have been cheating, stinks of sour grapes.

It would be best to wait and see what comes out over this. Play nice.

[Ben A]

Originally Posted by Blake Ezor

1st of all, if we were "nerds" as you suggest, we'd be at spartanmag, not here

2nd if Ole Mi$$ is so highly regarded, explain the extremely lacluster recruiting class your boy Nutt is assembling over there.

1. We are nerds. We are getting into an arguement over where a 18 year old kid will be going to school. Normal people don't care about this. We do

2. The merits of Nutt'$ (I like the $, that is very very clever of you) recruiting class has nothing to do with this. didn't have highly rated recruiting classes until this year. Remember, he also has to recruit against southern powers like LSU, Florida, Alabama, ect.

Just because a highly rated player chooses to commit in a class that isn't highly ranked, it doesn't mean it was because of $hennanigans (see, I used it again!!!). If anything, it means the opposite. You'd think he'd try to bribe more than one player

[Bailey1149]

Originally Posted by Blake Ezor

clearly, you didn't follow this story the last 2 days...kid says his visit to Ole Miss was "so so"...dad comes out saying how excited he is about Dantonio. Family advisor speaks on behalf of the kid saying he's going to Ole Miss...not from Drummond himself...bottom line: MSU was used.

Clearly, you haven't a clue how things work in the $EC.

No i have been following it. Mabye he had a change of heart or something. I completly agree with everyone saying that it does look a little suspicious. But mabye he really wanted to enroll early. I dont know because I didnt have a conversation with the kid but I feel like some people are just ripping on the kid and his decision. Its his decision. And I will admit it looks suspicious.

[Blake Ezor]

Originally Posted by 02alumnus

Blake, you may very well end up correct, but you're assuming waaaay too much about what happened. We don't know what was to who by who, and to immediately think that it must have been cheating, stinks of sour grapes.

It would be best to wait and see what comes out over this. Play nice.

everyone has their own opinion, I have mine...can't crucify someone for that. at this point, this is all water under the bridge and I consider the matter over. the only thing I hope is that the kid really wants to play at Ole Mi$$

[Blake Ezor]

Originally Posted by Bailey1149

No i have been following it. Mabye he had a change of heart or something. I completly agree with everyone saying that it does look a little suspicious. But mabye he really wanted to enroll early. I dont know because I didnt have a conversation with the kid but I feel like some people are just ripping on the kid and his decision. Its his decision. And I will admit it looks suspicious.

I'm not ripping the kid at all...but I have my doubts about this "family advisor".

the fact it looks suspicious, whether my suspicions prove correct or not, is not the point...point is it DOES look suspicious.

[Coached By Duffy]

Originally Posted by JBSpartan4life

Who are you Spartan Pride no one cares if you're friends with the janitor at the Skandalaris Center.

WOW so you knew about the simpkins visit from reading rivals and scout good for you.

The kids sporting a 2.5 gpa and a 22 ACT with all his core classes completed, that really should be good enough to work him in.

He wasn't accepted for his applied major at Illinois I know that. I know wouldn't be driving to chicago for an in home and giving him and his family the hard sell if getting him enrolled was in possible.

You must be a janitor somewhere, judging by your lack of spelling and grammar skills.
The information about the quick scheduling of Simpkins' visit came from a reliable source, not from reading Rivals and Scout (Rivals and Scout capitalized). Coaches usually have a contingency back-up plan, just in case Plan A doesn't work out.
WOW, you obviously derive your information from other poster's posts. See Mean Joe Green's post concerning Drummond's "2.5 grade point average and 22 ACT score".
I never said it was impossible (not "in possible") to get him enrolled at MSU or any other Big Ten school. It was going to be difficult for him to gain entry at mid-year and that the SEC had much more liberal enrollment rules.
Certainly, Coach Dantonio went to Chicago to visit Drummomd and his family because he saw an opportunity to recruit a very talented player and I'm sure Coach Dantonio knew and explained to them all the requirements for mid-year or later enrollment at MSU based on Craig's HS transcripts.
I believe that many posters on this forum respect me and my input. Why do you continue to make personal attacks against me ?

[Coached By Duffy]

Originally Posted by Spartan Pride

Not sure if you were implying this or not, but for the record, the guy at Enlighted Spartan = NOT me.

And good updates Stats, thanks.

And I don't find it hard to believe that a former player would have trouble getting more info than an average person.

Spartan Pride, Thanks for your support of my input !
Sincerely,
CBD

[ClarkstonGreen]

Originally Posted by Ben A

Apparently Craig Drummond thinks Nutt can recruit

What I am trying to say is that we shouldn't jump to conclusions that shady stuff has been going on with this. The kid (apparently) committed just last night.

The fact is that Ole Miss had a better season than us, won their bowl game, plays in a tougher conference, has a good coach, a system that puts players in the pros, and a bright future.

Aside from distance to home, why wouldn't the kid want to go to Ole Miss?

ok, if you call having two 4 star recuits being able to "recruit" and the second 4 star is Drummond..........you'd think after haveing "a better season than us" they'd be able to pull in more highly ranked recruits, right?

please stop posting, your ignorance is showing.

[IlliniJ]

Originally Posted by Bailey1149

im shocked to see all what some people are saying on this board.

Did you ever think that mabye Ole Miss is the type of University that Drummond wanted?

But no because he didnt come here he most have gotten paid or something

Well actually Illinois was "the type of University" he wanted, but UI admissions would not accept correspondence courses as part of his core GPA.

Very strange recruitment, many schools didn't offer him early on because of concerns over his grades, then he's hurt and doesn't play his senior season. Gets his GPA and test score, suddenly he wants to graduate and enroll early? Usually you have to have your grades in order well in advance to be able to graduate in Dec.

Good luck to him, hope it all works out for the best.

[SpartanGA]

Old news. Next.

[Ben A]

Originally Posted by ClarkstonGreen

ok, if you call having two 4 star recuits being able to "recruit" and the second 4 star is Drummond..........you'd think after haveing "a better season than us" they'd be able to pull in more highly ranked recruits, right?

please stop posting, your ignorance is showing.

I still don't understand what your point is...

Obviously he isn't "haveing" the best recruiting class this year, but I went and gave you two players of his playing the NFL and another (however shady it may have been) that was a 5*.

My point is that Nutt is doing something correctly, or at least enough to land Drummond. Thats all that really matters.

[Blake Ezor]

Originally Posted by Ben A

I still don't understand what your point is...

Obviously he isn't "haveing" the best recruiting class this year, but I went and gave you two players of his playing the NFL and another (however shady it may have been) that was a 5*.

My point is that Nutt is doing something correctly, or at least enough to land Drummond. Thats all that really matters.

don't be so naive....it's called a checkbook.

the kid had offers from every top school...Florida, Ohio St, USC, Miami....and then settles on Ole Mi$$ at the last minute....VERY suspicious.


whatever though, he's not coming here, so it's pointless to discuss further.

[spartaspartan]

heres the bottom line.................recruiting is way underrated, coaching wins. Ask Fat boy Charlie.

Houston Nutt is an exceptional coach. Arkansas is a place no one would want to go to (I've seen a game there). It is a horrible stadium. The fact that Nutt had Arkansas in SEC championship games, new years bowls, etc in the SEC with LSU, Florida, UGA, etc is a testament to how good of a coach he is. Arkansas fans were stupid to run him out of town, a classic case of the fan base reaching way over theirs heads and not seeing th big picture.

Nutt is a hell of a coach, what he did in 1 year at bottom feeder Ole Miss proves that. He built those Arkansas teams on bubble gum and spit. Sure, his weakness is recruiting, but when you can coach as well as he can, you can overcome those obsticles

[JBSpartan4life]

Originally Posted by Coached By Duffy

You must be a janitor somewhere, judging by your lack of spelling and grammar skills.
The information about the quick scheduling of Simpkins' visit came from a reliable source, not from reading Rivals and Scout (Rivals and Scout capitalized). Coaches usually have a contingency back-up plan, just in case Plan A doesn't work out.
WOW, you obviously derive your information from other poster's posts. See Mean Joe Green's post concerning Drummond's "2.5 grade point average and 22 ACT score".
I never said it was impossible (not "in possible") to get him enrolled at MSU or any other Big Ten school. It was going to be difficult for him to gain entry at mid-year and that the SEC had much more liberal enrollment rules.

I believe that many posters on this forum respect me and my input. Why do you continue to make personal attacks against me ?

critiquing spelling and grammar on an internet message board is almost always the final plea of a desperate man.

MSU still has 2 spots left the plan was to take drummond in addition to either simpkins or drone.

I also have it on good authority (not the home-less guy sleeping in the dumpster behind Wilson hall that you talk to ) that drummond could of gotten mid-year admission to MSU.

You really shouldn't take yourself and your shtick on here to seriously. I'm just giving you some crap.

[Oberonmsu]

Originally Posted by spartaspartan

Nutt is a hell of a coach, what he did in 1 year at bottom feeder Ole Miss proves that. He built those Arkansas teams on bubble gum and spit. Sure, his weakness is recruiting, but when you can coach as well as he can, you can overcome those obsticles

Look at what Nutt took over at Ole Miss. Ed Orgeron had a ton of great players there, and Nutt was the beneficiary of their maturation. I firmly believe Ole Miss would have done the same thing this year if they'd kept Orgeron.

Snead is a big-time QB that Orgeron got cause he lost out to McCoy for the Texas starting job. What was their position of strength this year? D Line. What was Orgeron's specialty? D line. Nuff said.