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Donnyrotten · 08-17-2006, 10:45 AM

GEEZ...what a bunch of hogwash

firstly,the reason the firefighters had went up to floor 78 in one of the towers(forget which)was because they were sure it WASNT going to collapse...they stated that two hose teams could knock out the fires,and that they werent very intense......
That guy from Sydney should be shot..his comments parrot the 9/11 commisions statements...which...untrue..state that the towers had a "hollow steel core"they didnt,they had 47 massive steel colums which made up the core(note not one word of this "truth"in that guys statement)...dont believe me,there are tons of pictures on the internet showing the construction of the towers and models of them...omitting the existance of these massive beams says alot about that guys credence.

remember that the second tower to be hit was dealt only a glancing blow,and the majority of the fuel was burned up "outside"the tower....and it fell in only 56 minutes..(even the commision said it was burnt up within 10 minutes)
does anybody know what a heat sink is...its when you have a large piece of metal.heat one part of it...the rest of the metal wicks off the heat applied at a given point and spreads it out....the likelyhood of a massive steel skeleton like in the towers being severely weakened by fairly minor fires(at most 10 minutes of kerosene burning)in under an hour is scant,at best.
remember that NIST built models,and couldnt duplicate a collapse..and as reported in the commision report...tested 196 pieces of steel in the towers,and in only 3 of them found where temps had exceeded 250 degrees...

lets get scientific...structural steel melts at 2800 degrees...in a perfect world,a hydrocarbon fire can only approach 1500 degrees(ie propane torch/diffuser flame)the towers fires were oxygen starved hence the billowing black smoke,and were way less intense than 1500 degrees......so in 56 minutes you are gonna believe fires that a firefighting team stated could be put out with 2 hose teams were hot enough,long lasting enough to severely weaken structural steel...i dont...its seems NIST didnt either..as i stated,only 3 pieces they looked at even exceeded 250 degrees
the "hollow core column myth"is one that keeps rearing it ugly head from the govt...because,even to believe the official story,those huge steel columns should have still stood,even if the floors did pancake...they ignore the existance of them,because they know even the mention of them makes an unbelievable story even less plausible....you would believe someone who even lies about how the towers were constructed?????

and as far as how hot the fires were...anyone seen that picture of the lady waving for help,looking out the hole the plane made,sometime before collapse...the fires sure werent hot enough to even singe her hair...but they would melt structual steel....give me a break.......

there was a show on the history channel last night about the rise and fall of the towers,hadnt seen it before...was a 2 hour show,caught about 45 minutes of it..an engineer was discussing the beams they were pulling out of the rubble,he stated that they were literally dripping and molten......now,its pretty far fetched to even claim the steel was even weakened..but this guy stated steel was molten and dripping..that takes 2800 degree temps to do..where did that heat come from...days afterwards.....where is the extra 2000 degrees????..it sure isnt from a 56 minute hydrocarbon fire...but cutter charges would perfectly explain it

take a look on the internet at that women looking out of the hole..she definately isnt standing in 2800 degree temps...

ever cooked on a stove...how hot can a pot get with a gas flame under it,even for hours...it doesnt melt,does it...the towers didnt either,and they are way larger and had way less heat applied. r

08-17-2006, 10:45 AM	#68 (permalink)
Donnyrotten RCMB Donor 5,000+ posts Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 8,533	GEEZ...what a bunch of hogwash firstly,the reason the firefighters had went up to floor 78 in one of the towers(forget which)was because they were sure it WASNT going to collapse...they stated that two hose teams could knock out the fires,and that they werent very intense...... That guy from Sydney should be shot..his comments parrot the 9/11 commisions statements...which...untrue..state that the towers had a "hollow steel core"they didnt,they had 47 massive steel colums which made up the core(note not one word of this "truth"in that guys statement)...dont believe me,there are tons of pictures on the internet showing the construction of the towers and models of them...omitting the existance of these massive beams says alot about that guys credence. remember that the second tower to be hit was dealt only a glancing blow,and the majority of the fuel was burned up "outside"the tower....and it fell in only 56 minutes..(even the commision said it was burnt up within 10 minutes) does anybody know what a heat sink is...its when you have a large piece of metal.heat one part of it...the rest of the metal wicks off the heat applied at a given point and spreads it out....the likelyhood of a massive steel skeleton like in the towers being severely weakened by fairly minor fires(at most 10 minutes of kerosene burning)in under an hour is scant,at best. remember that NIST built models,and couldnt duplicate a collapse..and as reported in the commision report...tested 196 pieces of steel in the towers,and in only 3 of them found where temps had exceeded 250 degrees... lets get scientific...structural steel melts at 2800 degrees...in a perfect world,a hydrocarbon fire can only approach 1500 degrees(ie propane torch/diffuser flame)the towers fires were oxygen starved hence the billowing black smoke,and were way less intense than 1500 degrees......so in 56 minutes you are gonna believe fires that a firefighting team stated could be put out with 2 hose teams were hot enough,long lasting enough to severely weaken structural steel...i dont...its seems NIST didnt either..as i stated,only 3 pieces they looked at even exceeded 250 degrees the "hollow core column myth"is one that keeps rearing it ugly head from the govt...because,even to believe the official story,those huge steel columns should have still stood,even if the floors did pancake...they ignore the existance of them,because they know even the mention of them makes an unbelievable story even less plausible....you would believe someone who even lies about how the towers were constructed????? and as far as how hot the fires were...anyone seen that picture of the lady waving for help,looking out the hole the plane made,sometime before collapse...the fires sure werent hot enough to even singe her hair...but they would melt structual steel....give me a break....... there was a show on the history channel last night about the rise and fall of the towers,hadnt seen it before...was a 2 hour show,caught about 45 minutes of it..an engineer was discussing the beams they were pulling out of the rubble,he stated that they were literally dripping and molten......now,its pretty far fetched to even claim the steel was even weakened..but this guy stated steel was molten and dripping..that takes 2800 degree temps to do..where did that heat come from...days afterwards.....where is the extra 2000 degrees????..it sure isnt from a 56 minute hydrocarbon fire...but cutter charges would perfectly explain it take a look on the internet at that women looking out of the hole..she definately isnt standing in 2800 degree temps... ever cooked on a stove...how hot can a pot get with a gas flame under it,even for hours...it doesnt melt,does it...the towers didnt either,and they are way larger and had way less heat applied. r Last edited by Donnyrotten; 08-17-2006 at 11:22 AM.