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Originally Posted by BleedinGreen

For English fans, and me not being English I'm kind of talking out of my ass, the reason for the lack of caring is that they are soooo cynical at this point. They're almost like Lions fans in a way. They still go and still sell out the stadium but there is such an aura of fail around the team that people just don't get as into it.

I've also heard your theory about the club teams being more important than the national team but in regards to Spain. The obsession people have with their clubs along with the political fracturing of the country have led some people to believe that has something to do with Spain's lack of success in the WC and Euro.

Living in england I don't know if I would say that..... The thing with England and Spain is that they are both Classic "underachievers" when it comes to international football... they both have the talent, but unlike italy for example don't know how to "get it done"

if england are doing well, this country goes ballistic... Euro 96 for that semi everyone was in a pub......WC 2002 in Japan... everyone was in a pub for the quarter final vs brazil...at 7am!!!! Euro2004,the quarter final between portugal the hosts and england.... 3/4 or that gound was english (trust me.. I was there!!!) WC 2006, if you get 100,000 people travelling to germany without any chance of getting tickets and just going, you'd think it was bonkers.......