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05-07-2008, 11:19 AM
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I would agree the assumption of all around better coaching is a big one. Carr retired, he was not fired.  |
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05-07-2008, 12:41 PM
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#23 Javon Ringer
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Man things are slow lately. We had that incredible wave of commitments and now it has been quiet for quite some time. It would be nice to get a new commitment and get a little momentum swinging our way again. I don't know that coaches feel this way, but it sure seems like recruiting has momentum just like a game does. One kid commits, another gets excited and decides to do the same, and so on. I thought that Gordon commitment was coming awhile ago, he'd be a nice one to get things rolling again.
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05-07-2008, 12:51 PM
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I would agree the assumption of all around better coaching is a big one. Carr retired, he was not fired. |
While I thought Carr was passed his time in regards to adjusting, etc. I have doubts about Rod being a big coaching upgrade. I think you can win a lot of games in that type of offense, but I have doubts that you can win Championships with it. It is much more extreme than the spread of a Florida for example. I just have serious doubts and I'm not just being a hater. In addition, I think his defensive history is a major concern. At the time, I thought it was a great hire...more I think about it, I think UM fans are going to be unhappy in the end.
Okay enough Michigan, I really don't care about them and their insignificance but I thought I'd give my opinion. Back to MSU recruiting.
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05-07-2008, 04:13 PM
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While I thought Carr was passed his time in regards to adjusting, etc. I have doubts about Rod being a big coaching upgrade. I think you can win a lot of games in that type of offense, but I have doubts that you can win Championships with it. It is much more extreme than the spread of a Florida for example. I just have serious doubts and I'm not just being a hater. In addition, I think his defensive history is a major concern. At the time, I thought it was a great hire...more I think about it, I think UM fans are going to be unhappy in the end.
Okay enough Michigan, I really don't care about them and their insignificance but I thought I'd give my opinion. Back to MSU recruiting. |
Err..how is it different from Florida's spread when Meyer LEARNED the offense from RR?
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05-07-2008, 06:45 PM
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Err..how is it different from Florida's spread when Meyer LEARNED the offense from RR?
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Meyer also LEARNED the spread offense from JLS. Do you know anything about sports outside of recruiting and team colors? I know you don't play any because you have NEVER BEEN OUTSIDE.  I guess you could play ping pong or pool, nevermind.
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05-07-2008, 06:49 PM
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Meyer also LEARNED the spread offense from JLS. Do you know anything about sports outside of recruiting and team colors? I know you don't play any because you have NEVER BEEN OUTSIDE. I guess you could play ping pong or pool, nevermind. |
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05-07-2008, 08:10 PM
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he thought it was.
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05-07-2008, 10:50 PM
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Fortunately for UM they have the ability to still pull in top 10 recruiting classes, and maybe better this year, better s+c, and all around better coaching from top to bottom.
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or so you think, Llyod did a hell of a lot more then you people will ever give him credit for. He won a NC, multiple big ten titles and produced more pro's then Dick-rod ever will. Plus more important then anything was that he did it with CLASS.
Gittleson was bo's guy, A lot of guys in the nfl currently owe a lot to him and they all speak highly of him for a reason.
In other words, you're putting the cart before the horse and drinking to much wolverine kool-aid/piss
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05-08-2008, 10:39 AM
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UofM will equal Nebraska (of recent years). They needed fine tuning of their program not a complete overhaul!  |
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05-08-2008, 10:40 AM
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Now back to MSU recruiting!  |
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05-10-2008, 03:48 PM
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Joe Pa just took a 4 star away from Tressel. Maybe he had some snake oil left over from the 70's?
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05-10-2008, 03:58 PM
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#53 Greg Jones
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prob not snake oil, prob just some more "just for men."
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Joe Pa just took a 4 star away from Tressel. Maybe he had some snake oil left over from the 70's?
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what kind of wannabes anoint themselves "the leaders and the best"?
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05-10-2008, 04:33 PM
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Joe Pa just took a 4 star away from Tressel. Maybe he had some snake oil left over from the 70's?
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Where was the player from?
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05-10-2008, 04:37 PM
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Where was the player from?
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Maryland, so it's not particularly suprising. And his teammate commited to PSU earlier, too.
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05-11-2008, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by DrTre11
While I thought Carr was passed his time in regards to adjusting, etc. I have doubts about Rod being a big coaching upgrade. I think you can win a lot of games in that type of offense, but I have doubts that you can win Championships with it. It is much more extreme than the spread of a Florida for example. I just have serious doubts and I'm not just being a hater. In addition, I think his defensive history is a major concern. At the time, I thought it was a great hire...more I think about it, I think UM fans are going to be unhappy in the end.
Okay enough Michigan, I really don't care about them and their insignificance but I thought I'd give my opinion. Back to MSU recruiting. |
you are correct. carr and staff were vastly under appreciated and are darn good coaches. Dickrod and staff are overrated (and have been for quite some time). If you think they are great coaches that is a laugh, totally false, and someday you will see you are being blindsided from reality. They have a gimmick offense that being figured out more and more each day. That offense doesn't surprise anyone any more. Whoever said Michigan will become the Nebraska of recent years is dead on.
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Err..how is it different from Florida's spread when Meyer LEARNED the offense from RR?
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yeah right  Meyer has used this offense for many years and long before Dickrod ever was a head coach at a bcs school.
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05-11-2008, 12:39 PM
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#23 Javon Ringer
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Anyone know what that new symbol on spartanmag is?? its a little blue "S" next to where it says "details" next to an article.....
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05-11-2008, 01:06 PM
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Err..how is it different from Florida's spread when Meyer LEARNED the offense from RR?
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I read something a while back that said JLS was the father of the spread offense and that others have added their variations to it. In fact, the article said that Meyer learned the spread from JLS. I just wish I could find the article to validate this statement.
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05-11-2008, 10:45 PM
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#23 Javon Ringer
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Err..how is it different from Florida's spread when Meyer LEARNED the offense from RR?
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Have you watched WVU and Florida play? VERY DIFFERENT OFFENSES. If you don't know that, then you haven't watched much. It doesn't matter where you learned the base of an offense from. You take the base and make it your own. There are hundreds of variations of the spread and RR's version is much different than Meyer's.
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05-11-2008, 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by NorthSpartanCarolina
I read something a while back that said JLS was the father of the spread offense and that others have added their variations to it. In fact, the article said that Meyer learned the spread from JLS. I just wish I could find the article to validate this statement.
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Actually Meyer learned it from Rich Rodriguez.
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05-12-2008, 01:21 AM
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Actually Meyer learned it from Rich Rodriguez.
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Dickrod aint no Meyer and I'm suprised Michigan fans are so giddy about the idea considering Meyer was just beat by Lloyd and his archaic brand of football.
"In a bizarre twist, Meyer learned the spread offense from John L. Smith. Three years ago, when Smith coached at Louisville and Meyer at Bowling Green, Meyer traveled to Louisville to learn the offense from John L. Smith's staff."
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/22/sp...=2&oref=slogin
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05-12-2008, 08:19 AM
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#23 Javon Ringer
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Man I come here to see if MSU has done anything in recruiting and I have to read all these RR posts. |
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05-12-2008, 12:16 PM
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