The Official 2009 Football Recruiting Thread

[Big M]

Originally Posted by fw190bvi

MD and Tressel and even Lloyd are in a different class than RR. at least those three guys were up front with themselves and the schools.

how about the fact that RR is recruiting Burrell and Smith, both of whom are probably MSU's strongest commits

So what it comes down to is you're pissed that RR allegedly took a shot at Fred Smith. I don't blame him one bit for trying- Smith very nearly committed to UM, and they need WR's.

[TeamCaptainJohn]

Originally Posted by Big M

So what it comes down to is you're pissed that RR allegedly took a shot at Fred Smith. I don't blame him one bit for trying- Smith very nearly committed to UM, and they need WR's.

almost only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades


i tihnk this is a circular argument......listen Big M, idk if you realize, but i defend you ALOT on here, because i think you bring alot to this board and these threads specifically, so its not like i have a personal vendetta against you -just Dick Rod

[Big M]

Originally Posted by fw190bvi

almost only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades


i tihnk this is a circular argument......listen Big M, idk if you realize, but i defend you ALOT on here, because i think you bring alot to this board and these threads specifically, so its not like i have a personal vendetta against you -just Dick Rod

Alright, let's drop it then. Let me just say this- I think you and others are taking the DickRod WVU crap and applying that to his recruiting philosophy a bit unfairly. Let's be honest, most of you guys were going to hate UM's new coach whoever he was- the WVU stuff just quickened the process

[SpartanRocky]

Originally Posted by Big M

So what it comes down to is you're pissed that RR allegedly took a shot at Fred Smith. I don't blame him one bit for trying- Smith very nearly committed to UM, and they need WR's.

You're not getting Burrell or Smith, just like we're not getting Koger or Fitzgerald.

It's not a shock that State and SCum are going after each others top recruits. In this day and age, a verbal commitment means "I like this team best for this week", so I don't blame either coach trying to get in the last word.

The kids that commit very early tend to be the most solid/loyal kids. Yet Fredo proved even that to be false. It's the uncertainty that makes following recruiting so stressful.

[Big M]

Originally Posted by SpartanRocky

You're not getting Burrell or Smith, just like we're not getting Koger or Fitzgerald.

It's not a shock that State and SCum are going after each others top recruits. In this day and age, a verbal commitment means "I like this team best for this week", so I don't blame either coach trying to get in the last word.

The kids that commit very early tend to be the most solid/loyal kids. Yet Fredo proved even that to be false. It's the uncertainty that makes following recruiting so stressful.

Agree on all fronts.

I keep saying it, but we really really need a early signing period, at least for the kids like Norman, Cissoko, Burrell, etc.

[newlander]

Man, Rocky is right on here. I think it's great for now that Norman VERBALLY committed and looks solid for next Feb.'s signing day. But if any of you don't think Stoops, Shannon, D-Rod, and others won't troll for his services you're delusional. Look at Saban and Bama with Ingram. I imagine he came into the fray late, but he's in the final 3 or final 2 depending on whom you believe. Recruiting is a brutal, dishonest, nasty business and not for the faint of heart, that's for sure.

[Big M]

Originally Posted by newlander

Man, Rocky is right on here. I think it's great for now that Norman VERBALLY committed and looks solid for next Feb.'s signing day. But if any of you don't think Stoops, Shannon, D-Rod, and others won't troll for his services you're delusional. Look at Saban and Bama with Ingram. I imagine he came into the fray late, but he's in the final 3 or final 2 depending on whom you believe. Recruiting is a brutal, dishonest, nasty business and not for the faint of heart, that's for sure.

And it seems like it has gotten ten times worse the last 2 years.

It's probably not rational, but I blame Urban Meyer. It seems like he is behind half the recruiting horror stories I've heard.

[TeamCaptainJohn]

Originally Posted by Big M

Agree on all fronts.

I keep saying it, but we really really need a early signing period, at least for the kids like Norman, Cissoko, Burrell, etc.

is basketball the only sport with an early signing period? why doesnt the NCAA open it up for football too.......it makes no sense!!!

[Big M]

Originally Posted by fw190bvi

is basketball the only sport with an early signing period? why doesnt the NCAA open it up for football too.......it makes no sense!!!

I have a theory that Rivals, Scout, ESPN, Tom Lemming, etc., are putting a lot of pressure on the NCAA to keep it like it is.

[msuferd]

Originally Posted by Big M

Alright, let's drop it then. Let me just say this- I think you and others are taking the DickRod WVU crap and applying that to his recruiting philosophy a bit unfairly. Let's be honest, most of you guys were going to hate UM's new coach whoever he was- the WVU stuff just quickened the process

Well, if the guy acts like a slime-ball d-bag when it comes to his job, I don't know how it would be a stretch to apply it to recruiting.

[TeamCaptainJohn]

Originally Posted by Big M

I have a theory that Rivals, Scout, ESPN, Tom Lemming, etc., are putting a lot of pressure on the NCAA to keep it like it is.

i would think that having two signing days would really 'help' these guys

[Topopo]

Originally Posted by Spartan Pride

My Favorite In-State Prospects for 2009
1. DT William Campbell (6-4/327) Detroit Cass Tech - Michigan Verbal
2. RB Larry Caper (5-11/210) Battle Creek Central
3. WR James Jackson (5-10/165) Grand Ledge
4. LB Chris Norman (6-2/219) Detroit Renaissance - Michigan State Verbal
5. TE Dion Sims (6-5/230) Orchard Lake St. Mary's
6. RB Edwin Baker (5-10/195) Oak Park
7. QB Andrew Maxwell (6-3/180) Midland
8. WR Donald Spencer (6-2/185) Ypsilanti
9. QB Mike Schaaf (6-7/213) Saginaw Arthur Hill
10. RB Hershey Jackson (6-0/210) Allendale/RB Tetric Jones (5-10/190) Detroit Cass Tech

Based on things I've heard, measurables, film, etc.

Fairly confident MSU will get 3 of those (Norman, Maxwell, and a RB). Hopefully we can end up with 4 or 5. Good list given the information that is available to you (you mostly have skill position players). Thanks

[burnsmi4]

Originally Posted by fw190bvi

is basketball the only sport with an early signing period? why doesnt the NCAA open it up for football too.......it makes no sense!!!

I think because football has more coaches that either get fired or change schools. We see more in football than basketball that when a coach is fired or leaves the school, almost all of the kids open their searches back up. They would have too many complaints if they had a early period and the schools coaches leave.

[TeamCaptainJohn]

Originally Posted by burnsmi4

I think because football has more coaches that either get fired or change schools. We see more in football than basketball that when a coach is fired or leaves the school, almost all of the kids open their searches back up. They would have too many complaints if they had a early period and the schools coaches leave.

however isnt it commonplace for a school to let players out of the letter w/o penalty if there is a coaching change? im thinking Alex Legion here

[burnsmi4]

Originally Posted by fw190bvi

however isnt it commonplace for a school to let players out of the letter w/o penalty if there is a coaching change? im thinking Alex Legion here

Not always. It would be up to the coach. Think of the Anderson situation with Cinci.

[nicho197]

Originally Posted by Freak

RR = Greaseball.

End of point.

I'm open for a turnaround, but RR has a lot of ground to make up.

Originally Posted by Big M

Yeah, real good point there.

Originally Posted by msuferd

Well, if the guy acts like a slime-ball d-bag when it comes to his job, I don't know how it would be a stretch to apply it to recruiting.

yep, sometimes truth hurts! if you cannot see how much of a scumbag dickrod is you are delusional.

[nicho197]

Originally Posted by Topopo

Fairly confident MSU will get 3 of those (Norman, Maxwell, and a RB). Hopefully we can end up with 4 or 5. Good list given the information that is available to you (you mostly have skill position players). Thanks

oh AT LEAST 3 of those. i would say close to half, and I wouldn't be a bit surprised if it was more than half. 09 is going to be quite big for the

[nicho197]

I am looking for a comparison of caper and baker (haha it rhymes). If someone who has seen them, or seen film of them, let me know how each compares to each other and what former/current spartans they resemble, that would be TIA!

[burnsmi4]

Originally Posted by nicho197

oh AT LEAST 3 of those. i would say close to half, and I wouldn't be a bit surprised if it was more than half. 09 is going to be quite big for the

I agree. It should be a big year for recruiting. Part of the problem for our recruiting situation is we have had too many coaching changes. For the high level recruits that are not worried about beating out someone for a job, they want to go to a place where the coaches will be the same for all 3 or 4 years they are in school. I think we have that with , now we have to show it to recruits and their high school coaches

[Topopo]

Originally Posted by nicho197

oh AT LEAST 3 of those. i would say close to half, and I wouldn't be a bit surprised if it was more than half. 09 is going to be quite big for the

Wow so we get who? Two RBs or both the WRs and Sims? Seems a bit ambitious but I like the optimism.

[goState18]

Originally Posted by Big M

Extremely early verbals are usually very solid. Nichol de-committed because the coaches that recruited him were fired.

True, but Terelle Pryor was a Pitt commitment way back in his sophomore year.

[goState18]

Originally Posted by burnsmi4

Not always. It would be up to the coach. Think of the Anderson situation with Cinci.

Anderson was a Cincinatti player, not a recruit though.