The Official 2009 Football Recruiting Thread

[Old Hort]

Originally Posted by Big M

Yes, McNeal said that..then said a few days later he was 100% solid to UM and wasn't taking any visits. He has no special relationship with Newsome, so I don't see how this will affect anything.

And you're just reaching if you really think a de-commitment of one kid in August is "bad press", especially considering how strong UM looks with Forcier and Smith.

Read what I wrote...the Newsome news is just a small thing, but it is "bad press". Are you saying it is "good press" when a kid decommits from your school?

The point is, I can never remember the UM football program getting so much negative news in so little time.

[DrTre11]

Originally Posted by Big M

Yes, McNeal said that..then said a few days later he was 100% solid to UM and wasn't taking any visits. He has no special relationship with Newsome, so I don't see how this will affect anything.

And you're just reaching if you really think a de-commitment of one kid in August is "bad press", especially considering how strong UM looks with Forcier and Smith.

You don't see how your "Top Gun" qb commitment going elsewhere would affect your top WR commitment's status?????????? Are you serious? The kid was wavering BEFORE Newsome left, can you imagine what's going through his head today?

And I'm so glad you mentioned Forcier. I was at a buddies house last night and there were a couple of Michigan slappies. You would have thought they gained a commitment, not lost one. All of a sudden Beaver is better than Newsome and Forcier is God. They were just going off about Forcier. We went upstairs and watched Forcier's video after Newsome and I had to hold back. The kid is scampering around and avoiding the rush nicely, but I saw NOTHING that jumped off the video. Forcier, the 6 foot, 184 pound qb who had a brother who was garbage at Michigan....yeah, huge upgrade. I was expecting to see some 6'3"-6'4" athletic qb that was in the Top 100....after looking I see he's below Maxwell and of course Newsome.

I just love the U of M spin on a huge loss.

[Big M]

Originally Posted by DrTre11

You don't see how your "Top Gun" qb commitment going elsewhere would affect your top WR commitment's status?????????? Are you serious? The kid was wavering BEFORE Newsome left, can you imagine what's going through his head today?

And I'm so glad you mentioned Forcier. I was at a buddies house last night and there were a couple of Michigan slappies. You would have thought they gained a commitment, not lost one. All of a sudden Beaver is better than Newsome and Forcier is God. They were just going off about Forcier. We went upstairs and watched Forcier's video after Newsome and I had to hold back. The kid is scampering around and avoiding the rush nicely, but I saw NOTHING that jumped off the video. Forcier, the 6 foot, 184 pound qb who had a brother who was garbage at Michigan....yeah, huge upgrade. I was expecting to see some 6'3"-6'4" athletic qb that was in the Top 100....after looking I see he's below Maxwell and of course Newsome.

I just love the U of M spin on a huge loss.

1- McNeal is not wavering. He was quoted as saying he was solid and would not be taking any visits. He is friends with Beaver, not with Newsome. I think the only way McNeal would really re-consider is if UM just never throws the ball this year.

2- I notice how you and everyone else never said a good thing about Newsome until he de-committed. Hilarious in its transparency. I'm not going to bad mouth him- he's a very very good prospect. But to say that Forcier isn't in his league is you just being biased. Forcier has a more impressive offer list than most QB's, including Newsome. He is ready to play sooner than Newsome, and won't need as much work to be ready. Again, that's not to say he's better than Newsome. All things being equal, I liked Newsome a bit better.

[Big M]

Originally Posted by Old Hort

Read what I wrote...the Newsome news is just a small thing, but it is "bad press". Are you saying it is "good press" when a kid decommits from your school?

The point is, I can never remember the UM football program getting so much negative news in so little time.

I'm saying no one outside of recruiting geeks cares about a de-commitment in August. The worst press UM can get is if they have a bad year. All this crap is completely secondary to how UM does on the field.

[wingfanjim]

Originally Posted by Big M

1- McNeal is not wavering. He was quoted as saying he was solid and would not be taking any visits. He is friends with Beaver, not with Newsome. I think the only way McNeal would really re-consider is if UM just never throws the ball this year.

2- I notice how you and everyone else never said a good thing about Newsome until he de-committed. Hilarious in its transparency. I'm not going to bad mouth him- he's a very very good prospect. But to say that Forcier isn't in his league is you just being biased. Forcier has a more impressive offer list than most QB's, including Newsome. He is ready to play sooner than Newsome, and won't need as much work to be ready. Again, that's not to say he's better than Newsome. All things being equal, I liked Newsome a bit better.

Which is very possible. None of us know the exact look of how the offense will run, but what we do know is that West Virginia ran the ball 74% of the time last year.

[Big M]

Originally Posted by wingfanjim

Which is very possible. None of us know the exact look of how the offense will run, but what we do know is that West Virginia ran the ball 74% of the time last year.

Yes, and they had Pat White.

[TeamCaptainJohn]

Originally Posted by Big M

Yes, and they had Pat White.

but you have Sam McGuffie

[Dorian]

UM fan: "UM is awesome..."



Spartan fan: "UM is a "

We're just and

Got and idea... Let's talk MSU recruiting.

[Robbub]

I agree with you Dorian... The weasels are "interesting news" at best. Their program isn't going to crash and burn - enough said. Let's focus on MSU Recruiting...

We're off to a fantastic start... going into the homestetch now everyone has a bunch of ideas on what we need. I still think we could use another DB... I'm really looking forward to us (someday) getting a solid lockdown corner. Any ereally good targets on board?

[chitownsparty86]

Originally Posted by Dorian

UM fan: "UM is awesome..."



Spartan fan: "UM is a "

We're just and

Got and idea... Let's talk MSU recruiting.

QFT

[DrTre11]

Originally Posted by Big M

1- McNeal is not wavering. He was quoted as saying he was solid and would not be taking any visits. He is friends with Beaver, not with Newsome. I think the only way McNeal would really re-consider is if UM just never throws the ball this year.

2- I notice how you and everyone else never said a good thing about Newsome until he de-committed. Hilarious in its transparency. I'm not going to bad mouth him- he's a very very good prospect. But to say that Forcier isn't in his league is you just being biased. Forcier has a more impressive offer list than most QB's, including Newsome. He is ready to play sooner than Newsome, and won't need as much work to be ready. Again, that's not to say he's better than Newsome. All things being equal, I liked Newsome a bit better.

McNeal certainly was wavering and was planning on taking visits until RR started making threats about recruits taking visits. Everybody knows this. Don't act like he's been rock solid from day one.

You claim that I never said anything good about Newsome until he decommitted, do you think that is because he is not a MSU recruit and we don't have a thread about him? Therefore, maybe...just maybe I wouldn't have an opportunity to? I actually told my UM buddies that I thought he looked like a stud when he was committed, but whatever. You think Forcier is ready to play college football at 6 ft. and 184 pds? Wow. You claim it is bias when I say he's not in Newsome's league and I say it is bias when you say he is. Just look at the two kids and tell me they have even close to the same upside. Newsome is a big, athletic, and all muscle. He has an unbelievable build and tremendous upside. You can think it is bias all you want, click on Forcier's pic, look at his frame in comparison and tell me they are in the same league. It isn't all about body, but Newsome has NFL type upside...Forcier has my build.

[Randolph Junuh]

1. Forcier has Pat White's build.

2. I think the point that is trying to be made is that Newsome has a higher ceiling, Forcier has a higher floor.

[spartaspartan]

Originally Posted by DrTre11

McNeal certainly was wavering and was planning on taking visits until RR started making threats about recruits taking visits. Everybody knows this. Don't act like he's been rock solid from day one.

You claim that I never said anything good about Newsome until he decommitted, do you think that is because he is not a MSU recruit and we don't have a thread about him? Therefore, maybe...just maybe I wouldn't have an opportunity to? I actually told my UM buddies that I thought he looked like a stud when he was committed, but whatever. You think Forcier is ready to play college football at 6 ft. and 184 pds? Wow. You claim it is bias when I say he's not in Newsome's league and I say it is bias when you say he is. Just look at the two kids and tell me they have even close to the same upside. Newsome is a big, athletic, and all muscle. He has an unbelievable build and tremendous upside. You can think it is bias all you want, click on Forcier's pic, look at his frame in comparison and tell me they are in the same league. It isn't all about body, but Newsome has NFL type upside...Forcier has my build.

you asked in the Buckner thread why we want threads locked..............here is your answer.

This has nothing to do with MSU RECRUITING. I don't care who the hell UM signs

[burnsmi4]

Rivals has come out with 10 true freshman that will make an impact in the upcoming season. Although MSU does not have one of these 10, if you scroll down to others to watch, Tyler Hoover does get a shout out at DE

Rivals.com College Football - Several teams look to true freshman for help

[AASpartan]

Did all this UofM crap break the thread? I can't get to the last page right now.

[DrTre11]

I just listened to Dantonio's speech about the new facility as I watched video of it and I have to say that it gave me goosebumps. He continued to say "we want to be a the class of college football" and when you see the facility, you'll see we are headed in the right direction. This building will be a MAJOR recruiting tool. What great history they put into that place. I've never been more excited as a Spartan football fan.

[nomaduper]

Originally Posted by DrTre11

I just listened to Dantonio's speech about the new facility as I watched video of it and I have to say that it gave me goosebumps. He continued to say "we want to be a the class of college football" and when you see the facility, you'll see we are headed in the right direction. This building will be a MAJOR recruiting tool. What great history they put into that place. I've never been more excited as a Spartan football fan.

This is what we needed for years, shows a strong commitment to football. Great timing, the arrival of Dantonio and the facility loaded with our history. Have to love the NFL connection, just what a blue chip recruit wants to see!

[Robbub]

Originally Posted by DrTre11

I just listened to Dantonio's speech about the new facility as I watched video of it and I have to say that it gave me goosebumps. He continued to say "we want to be a the class of college football" and when you see the facility, you'll see we are headed in the right direction. This building will be a MAJOR recruiting tool. What great history they put into that place. I've never been more excited as a Spartan football fan.

There a link to that? For those of us who likely will never get inside that place, it would be cool to see an online tour of it.

[ravenjaw]

Originally Posted by nomaduper

This is what we needed for years, shows a strong commitment to football. Great timing, the arrival of Dantonio and the facility loaded with our history. Have to love the NFL connection, just what a blue chip recruit wants to see!

I think that the facilities are certainly great, no doubt about it. But facilities don't make or break it for a recruit.

What Jelani Jenkins wants to see is a winning football program that isn't afraid to go to California and issue a smack down; go toe-to-toe with OSU and U of M and FINISH; and then then head to SEC country on national TV around the holidays and Sparty on. ND has incredible facilities and great recruits (Ty's guys weren't THAT bad) and look where that got them....the same as us, a visit from Jelani. We need more than great facilities to close on Top 100 guys....

[Divided42]

We need facilities? Those certainly help, don't get me wrong, but what we need are wins plain and simple nothing will be more beneficial than that. We need to prove year in and year out that we are an upper echelon Big 10 team with Ohio State, Michigan, and Wiscconisn. We had a good finish to last year and have some recruiting momentum, but if we go out and lay an egg during the season this year the recruiting momentum will take a serious blow. Michigan State does not have the national publicity, exposure, or reputation that OSU, U of M, or Notre Dame has and that means that the majority of our recruiting occurs in the midwest with most coming from Michigan and Ohio. To be a consistent power we need to prove we can compete with those teams on a consistent basis so we can compete for the big time recruits in our main recruiting states. We got most of the top 10 recruits instate this year with the end of the year success, the new Coach in Dantonio and the mess at Michigan. That will not occur like we need it to, if we go back to being old Michigan State and folding after a big loss.

[AASpartan]

Originally Posted by Divided42

We need facilities? Those certainly help, don't get me wrong, but what we need are wins plain and simple nothing will be more beneficial than that. We need to prove year in and year out that we are an upper echelon Big 10 team with Ohio State, Michigan, and Wiscconisn. We had a good finish to last year and have some recruiting momentum, but if we go out and lay an egg during the season this year the recruiting momentum will take a serious blow. Michigan State does not have the national publicity, exposure, or reputation that OSU, U of M, or Notre Dame has and that means that the majority of our recruiting occurs in the midwest with most coming from Michigan and Ohio. To be a consistent power we need to prove we can compete with those teams on a consistent basis so we can compete for the big time recruits in our main recruiting states. We got most of the top 10 recruits instate this year with the end of the year success, the new Coach in Dantonio and the mess at Michigan. That will not occur like we need it to, if we go back to being old Michigan State and folding after a big loss.

I don't think that anyone on the planet would argue that winning (99% of the time) begets recruiting. We all know that. The facilities are a nice draw that tell recruits that we're committed to turning the program around. It's definitely a plus.

[bigrp]

Originally Posted by Robbub

There a link to that? For those of us who likely will never get inside that place, it would be cool to see an online tour of it.

Here is a link to a photographic walkthrough of the new building. It really does look amazing!