tOfficial 2010 Football Recruiting thread

[Coached By Duffy]

Originally Posted by Booyah

What does that have to do with who is faster? Are you naive? Embellishing recruit size and speed….that never happens.

If you watch Sherard Cadogan's video highlights, he plays "field fast", running down RB's from behind, making plays all over the field, even making an interception return for a TD, it is obvious that he runs a legit 4.55 forty.
Part of the reason he is "only" ranked as a 3* is that some services rank him as a TE. His TE videos are pretty good but his defensive videos are very impressive. MSU is recruiting him strictly as a DE/OLB. Coach Narduzzi, his main recruiter, has been in constant contact since last Spring and really wants him as an up-grade to the defense.
With over 30 scholarship offers, it is obvious that college coaches know more than your "gut".

[Coached By Duffy]

Originally Posted by Booyah

"Coached by Duffy" did, and you jumped in to defend him.

Booyah,
Johnny and I have been on this Forum for quite some time and have earned the respect of most of the posters here. Yes, Johnny jumped to my defense, as I've done for him in the past and will do so in the future.
Yes, I said Sherard Cadogan is bigger and faster than Greg Jones and Chris Norman (not putting them down) but emphasizing what a great athlete Cadogan is for his size.
I will stand by that statement, based on my years of experience in evaluating players.
Obviously, there is no defense for you.

[Punisher99]

Originally Posted by Coached By Duffy

Neely is another player who will probably see reduced playing time next season with the arrival of Gholston and possibly Rush, Calero and Cadogan and the maturation of Hoover and Rolf. Neely's propensity to lose concentration and jump off-sides at key times, especially on CMU's missed FG attempt, has been a point of frustration for the Spartan staff but they simply have no one else to turn to at this time (see the Adam Decker experiment @ DE).
Note : Oren Wilson's primary responsibility @ NT is to tie up blockers so Greg Jones can make plays which Oren obviously does a good job at.

You're putting an awful lot of trust and expectation that these kids are all gonna be able to come in and compete for playing time right away. As talented as they are, I'd have a hard time believing they're just gonna overtake Neely, Strayhorn etc. after these two guys have had a few years of playing experience and weight training at the college level. Like it or not, Neely and Strayhorn are both gonna be in the mix next year. Out of that group you listed, I really would only expect Gholston to contribute next year. I'm not high on Hoover or Rolf, neither one of them has done a thing to impress me this year.

Originally Posted by Coached By Duffy

Like I said, uninformed posters.

This I agree with however. I'd find it very odd that the coaches would bring in eight players for official visits if they only have three ships to give out. You'd assume Shofner and Cadogen will committ, so basically the staff would be hosting six players for one ship. They could be right, but I'd be surprised with the two transfers if we only have 17 ships for this year.

[Island of misfit toys]

Originally Posted by Punisher99

This I agree with however. I'd find it very odd that the coaches would bring in eight players for official visits if they only have three ships to give out. You'd assume Shofner and Cadogen will committ, so basically the staff would be hosting six players for one ship. They could be right, but I'd be surprised with the two transfers if we only have 17 ships for this year.

I don't know who'd assume what. I like the idea of 8 guys coming in with only 3 or 4 scholarships available. For one, they're treated like royalty, they don't have to commit for it to be a great time for them. Secondly, they can see face to face their current competition, they can see first hand that MSU offer is nothing to sneeze at. If they don't take it, there should be no doubt someone else will. If OSU is still playing Schofner, we need all the help we can get nudging him to proclaim, "Forget you guys, I'm done waiting, I'm going up there and that's that." You can't blame the Ohio kids for wanting to go to the national power they've been following since they were kids.

[JOHNNYDRAMA08]

Originally Posted by Booyah

"Coached by Duffy" did, and you jumped in to defend him.

I just stated that three stars prospects can be just as good as five star prospects. How many 3 stars or lower would be considered 4 and 5 stars now. The star system isn't fool proof, I will continue to trust Coach D and staff when they evaluate players. I think that CBD makes a great point when referring to Cadogan. Watching his film it seems that he is a great playmaker, MSU needs players like him to continue to improve. CBD said it best: "With over 30 scholarship offers, it is obvious that college coaches know more than your "gut"."

Originally Posted by Punisher99

You're putting an awful lot of trust and expectation that these kids are all gonna be able to come in and compete for playing time right away. As talented as they are, I'd have a hard time believing they're just gonna overtake Neely, Strayhorn etc. after these two guys have had a few years of playing experience and weight training at the college level. Like it or not, Neely and Strayhorn are both gonna be in the mix next year. Out of that group you listed, I really would only expect Gholston to contribute next year. I'm not high on Hoover or Rolf, neither one of them has done a thing to impress me this year.

This I agree with however. I'd find it very odd that the coaches would bring in eight players for official visits if they only have three ships to give out. You'd assume Shofner and Cadogen will committ, so basically the staff would be hosting six players for one ship. They could be right, but I'd be surprised with the two transfers if we only have 17 ships for this year.

I don't think that Cadogen or Rush will just come in and be given the job. At worst they will increase the competition at their respective position, which should increase the talent and level of play. These guys may have to wait a year or two before starting but the point being made is that they will increase the talent on our team. MSU got beaten badly by OSU and PSU last year because of the difference in talent, not the coaching. MSU has some great players but some positions aren't very strong or deep right now. The same would have been said about Trenton Robinson about starting so early, all it takes is one year in the program and you could be starting the next year.

I would expect Gholston to probably be a starter, if not at the beginning, midway through the season. Hoover's done a decent job getting pressure on the QB and has shown some improvement. He's just a RS Fr. right now so he has time to improve.

As far as the scholarships go, we may only have 3-4 left. Young, Strayhorn and Jenarette (I think I read that he was off scholarship when he left, but that may not be accurate) could all take a scholarship for next year. That would leave MSU with 4 scholarships. If I had to guess it seems that Schofner, Cadogan, Mathis and either a DT (Thomas or Hickman) or RB (Howard or White) would be apart of this class.

[Coached By Duffy]

It appears that the #'s are going to be tight for the remaining scholarships.
Here's how I think it will go down, probably in this order :
OT - Skyler Shofner
DE/LB - Sherard Cadogan
CB - definite need but MSU may not get any of the 3 they are concentrating on right now (Mathis, Bryant, Johnson). The most likely possibility seems to be Mathis but who knows with him.
DT - Tra Thomas is MSU's main DT target right now.
RB - James White or Erick Howard (grades are an issue and no MSU or OSU offer yet).

[Punisher99]

Originally Posted by JOHNNYDRAMA08

I just stated that three stars prospects can be just as good as five star prospects. How many 3 stars or lower would be considered 4 and 5 stars now. The star system isn't fool proof, I will continue to trust Coach D and staff when they evaluate players. I think that CBD makes a great point when referring to Cadogan. Watching his film it seems that he is a great playmaker, MSU needs players like him to continue to improve. CBD said it best: "With over 30 scholarship offers, it is obvious that college coaches know more than your "gut"."



I don't think that Cadogen or Rush will just come in and be given the job. At worst they will increase the competition at their respective position, which should increase the talent and level of play. These guys may have to wait a year or two before starting but the point being made is that they will increase the talent on our team. MSU got beaten badly by OSU and PSU last year because of the difference in talent, not the coaching. MSU has some great players but some positions aren't very strong or deep right now. The same would have been said about Trenton Robinson about starting so early, all it takes is one year in the program and you could be starting the next year.

I would expect Gholston to probably be a starter, if not at the beginning, midway through the season. Hoover's done a decent job getting pressure on the QB and has shown some improvement. He's just a RS Fr. right now so he has time to improve.

As far as the scholarships go, we may only have 3-4 left. Young, Strayhorn and Jenarette (I think I read that he was off scholarship when he left, but that may not be accurate) could all take a scholarship for next year. That would leave MSU with 4 scholarships. If I had to guess it seems that Schofner, Cadogan, Mathis and either a DT (Thomas or Hickman) or RB (Howard or White) would be apart of this class.

Johnny--

Love your updates and posts man. Always a good read, just wanted to let ya know people out there appreciate it.

Anyways tho, I didn't know that Young OR Jennrette didn't have ships right now. If you ask me, I'd say Young absolutely deserves one. He is the best pass blocker on the team and will be very important next year.

As far as Jenrette goes, this guy is such an enigma. He came in under JLS' staff under scholarship so I don't know how that all works but it seems that MD couldn't just take that away or am I wrong about this? If the kid doesn't have a ship, he certainly is probably worthy of one based on his talent but unfortunately for him he got hurt this year.

As a side note, does anyone know the story on Jenrette? I'm not even sure of his eligibility isn't he a Junior? Is he officially out for the season? I know he broke his foot in the UM game but those usually aren't season enders so I dunno. We could really use him for PSU and/or our bowl and next year especially. Weird story with this guy, talented player, just can't seem to catch a break...

[Coached By Duffy]

Originally Posted by Punisher99

Johnny--

Love your updates and posts man. Always a good read, just wanted to let ya know people out there appreciate it.

Anyways tho, I didn't know that Young OR Jennrette didn't have ships right now. If you ask me, I'd say Young absolutely deserves one. He is the best pass blocker on the team and will be very important next year.

As far as Jenrette goes, this guy is such an enigma. He came in under JLS' staff under scholarship so I don't know how that all works but it seems that MD couldn't just take that away or am I wrong about this? If the kid doesn't have a ship, he certainly is probably worthy of one based on his talent but unfortunately for him he got hurt this year.

As a side note, does anyone know the story on Jenrette? I'm not even sure of his eligibility isn't he a Junior? Is he officially out for the season? I know he broke his foot in the UM game but those usually aren't season enders so I dunno. We could really use him for PSU and/or our bowl and next year especially. Weird story with this guy, talented player, just can't seem to catch a break...

Jenrette is out for the regular season. If MSU qualifies for a Bowl game he could possibly return and play by then.
He is RS Jr. Next year he will be a 5th year Sr.

[JoeSpartyFan]

Originally Posted by Punisher99

Johnny--

Love your updates and posts man. Always a good read, just wanted to let ya know people out there appreciate it.

Anyways tho, I didn't know that Young OR Jennrette didn't have ships right now. If you ask me, I'd say Young absolutely deserves one. He is the best pass blocker on the team and will be very important next year.

As far as Jenrette goes, this guy is such an enigma. He came in under JLS' staff under scholarship so I don't know how that all works but it seems that MD couldn't just take that away or am I wrong about this? If the kid doesn't have a ship, he certainly is probably worthy of one based on his talent but unfortunately for him he got hurt this year.

As a side note, does anyone know the story on Jenrette? I'm not even sure of his eligibility isn't he a Junior? Is he officially out for the season? I know he broke his foot in the UM game but those usually aren't season enders so I dunno. We could really use him for PSU and/or our bowl and next year especially. Weird story with this guy, talented player, just can't seem to catch a break...

Dantonio confirmed that Jenrette's injury would keep him out the rest of the season. I believe he has one more year of eligibility left after this year as 2008 was counted as a redshirt. I didn't realize he wasn't on scholarship either, but I have heard that on other boards as well. If true, that makes sense that he'd get one for next year.

I also echo your sediments regarding Johnny's posts and CBD's for that matter.
Edit: sorry for the repetition - CBD beat me to the punch

[Booyah]

Originally Posted by Coached By Duffy

Booyah,
Johnny and I have been on this Forum for quite some time and have earned the respect of most of the posters here. Yes, Johnny jumped to my defense, as I've done for him in the past and will do so in the future.
Yes, I said Sherard Cadogan is bigger and faster than Greg Jones and Chris Norman (not putting them down) but emphasizing what a great athlete Cadogan is for his size.
I will stand by that statement, based on my years of experience in evaluating players.
Obviously, there is no defense for you.

Probably 'cause your one and the same. Sounds to me you're a little too full of yourself. Building-up unrealistic expectations of recruits, only makes them look bad when they arrive at State. Why don't we let them prove themselves when they arrive without unrealistic expectations?

[Gods03]

Originally Posted by Booyah

Probably 'cause your one and the same. Sounds to me you're a little too full of yourself. Building-up unrealistic expectations of recruits, only makes them look bad when they arrive at State. Why don't we let them prove themselves when they arrive without unrealistic expectations?

CBD sure seems like he's trying to overcompensate for something lately. I always enjoy reading his and DRAMA's posts on recruiting, but lately they've become pretty petty and tiresome.

To say the guys at SpartanMag have no idea what they are talking about is ridiculous...

[Booyah]

I just stated that three stars prospects can be just as good as five star prospects. How many 3 stars or lower would be considered 4 and 5 stars now. The star system isn't fool proof, I will continue to trust Coach D and staff when they evaluate players. I think that CBD makes a great point when referring to Cadogan. Watching his film it seems that he is a great playmaker, MSU needs players like him to continue to improve. CBD said it best: "With over 30 scholarship offers, it is obvious that college coaches know more than your "gut".

Oh, so this is the Johnny and Duffy (Laurel and Hardy) show? Since when is 30 scholarships impressive? If a kid wants to drag-out his recruiting, there are a lot of players that could get 30 scholarships from mid major schools. If this kid comes to State, the Johnny and Duffy show will be reduced to the frauds they are, as this kid plays like a 3 star, and has nowhere near the speed Jones and Norman have. Bank it!

[trash]

Originally Posted by Booyah

Probably 'cause your one and the same. Sounds to me you're a little too full of yourself.

Originally Posted by Booyah

Oh, so this is the Johnny and Duffy (Laurel and Hardy) show?

Don't turn this into a p*****g contest.

[intrpdtrvlr]

Originally Posted by Coached By Duffy

It appears that the #'s are going to be tight for the remaining scholarships.
Here's how I think it will go down, probably in this order :
OT - Skyler Shofner
DE/LB - Sherard Cadogan
CB - definite need but MSU may not get any of the 3 they are concentrating on right now (Mathis, Bryant, Johnson). The most likely possibility seems to be Mathis but who knows with him.
DT - Tra Thomas is MSU's main DT target right now.
RB - James White or Erick Howard (grades are an issue and no MSU or OSU offer yet).

Shofner before Cadogan? I got the impression people were suspecting Cadogan is coming up to commit for the PSU game. You must either think that's premature or have some reason to believe Shofner will pull the trigger soon.

[Coached By Duffy]

Originally Posted by intrpdtrvlr

Shofner before Cadogan? I got the impression people were suspecting Cadogan is coming up to commit for the PSU game. You must either think that's premature or have some reason to believe Shofner will pull the trigger soon.

I think it's a toss-up between Shofner and Cadogan as to who will commit first. I think both will commit soon after the PSU game.

[Stats]

Originally Posted by intrpdtrvlr

Shofner before Cadogan? I got the impression people were suspecting Cadogan is coming up to commit for the PSU game. You must either think that's premature or have some reason to believe Shofner will pull the trigger soon.

Schofner is ALSO coming to the PSU game, his third trip to EL this season. Cadogan's likely to commit that weekend, but given his recent comments, Schofner's just as likely.

[JOHNNYDRAMA08]

Originally Posted by Gods03

CBD sure seems like he's trying to overcompensate for something lately. I always enjoy reading his and DRAMA's posts on recruiting, but lately they've become pretty petty and tiresome.

To say the guys at SpartanMag have no idea what they are talking about is ridiculous...

In what way have any of my posts been petty, tiresome? Sorry, I'll just post smiley faces and a thumbs up from now on. I usually just post new info and my opinion based on the recruits and the teams needs. Not quite sure what you are referring to.

Originally Posted by Booyah

Oh, so this is the Johnny and Duffy (Laurel and Hardy) show? Since when is 30 scholarships impressive? If a kid wants to drag-out his recruiting, there are a lot of players that could get 30 scholarships from mid major schools. If this kid comes to State, the Johnny and Duffy show will be reduced to the frauds they are, as this kid plays like a 3 star, and has nowhere near the speed Jones and Norman have. Bank it!

This coming from somone that has never had a relevant post in this thread. Since when is 30 offers impressive? This comment alone proves your relevance on this board. Cadogen's offers are primarily from good BCS programs and he could be a good addition to this team. I won't ever try to predict how good someone will be, no one can be sure of any prospects potential and how good they will be. After today's game I think it's pretty obvious that MSU needs a better pass rush.

How exactly are Duffy and myself frauds? There is no fraudulent information posted on this board by myself, mainly opinions with new information as it becomes available. This type of post is a reason why I question to post on this board. Why should anyone trust your "gut" when this is the quality of your posts? Either way thanks for the contribution.

Appreciate it Punisher. I'm not sure if Jenrette is on scholarship, but I'm pretty sure I read that he wasn't, though he could be. It's probably safe to think that there are 4 scholarships remaining and I would guess that Schofner, Cadogan, Mathis and either a DT or RB would take the final scholarship. Should be another good class for MSU.

[Coached By Duffy]

Originally Posted by JOHNNYDRAMA08

In what way have any of my posts been petty, tiresome? Sorry, I'll just post smiley faces and a thumbs up from now on. I usually just post new info and my opinion based on the recruits and the teams needs. Not quite sure what you are referring to.



This coming from somone that has never had a relevant post in this thread. Since when is 30 offers impressive? This comment alone proves your relevance on this board. Cadogen's offers are primarily from good BCS programs and he could be a good addition to this team. I won't ever try to predict how good someone will be, no one can be sure of any prospects potential and how good they will be. After today's game I think it's pretty obvious that MSU needs a better pass rush.

How exactly are Duffy and myself frauds? There is no fraudulent information posted on this board by myself, mainly opinions with new information as it becomes available. This type of post is a reason why I question to post on this board. Why should anyone trust your "gut" when this is the quality of your posts? Either way thanks for the contribution.

Appreciate it Punisher. I'm not sure if Jenrette is on scholarship, but I'm pretty sure I read that he wasn't, though he could be. It's probably safe to think that there are 4 scholarships remaining and I would guess that Schofner, Cadogan, Mathis and either a DT or RB would take the final scholarship. Should be another good class for MSU.

Note : Johnny,
You are correct Johnny, Jenrette is not on scholarship for this season. He was on scholarship and in school last season during his "personal leave" from the team. Coach D told him he would have to earn his scholarship back this season (which he probably has) so he will be on scholarship next season for his Sr. year.
We are probably "casting Pearls before Swine" on this board, especially this Booyah idiot who is the real fraud with his worthless opinions. Opinions are like rear ends, everybody has one, but some are better than others.
Like you, that's why I refrained from posting on this board for quite awhile.

[AbeFroman]

Any idea yet as to who might be enrolling early?

[Coached By Duffy]

Originally Posted by AbeFroman

Any idea yet as to who might be enrolling early?

Joe Boisture for sure. Probably William Gholston.

[ep50]

Originally Posted by AbeFroman

Any idea yet as to who might be enrolling early?

Boisture, Gholston, Hicks, Hill and I think either Rush or Jackson.

[Stats]

The Rod is like that neighborhood bully picking on kids smaller than he is. He's now trying to steal a 2* kid from the MAC & Airforce:

http://michiganstate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1016577

[TruSpartan24]

Duffy and Johnny...don't let the trolls get into your head. I'll bet money that the vast majority of us here, including the countless lurkers, value your opinions and insight. To be honest, you two (and a small handful of others) are the reasons I come to this site...I look forward to your posts on recruits and trust what you say. Keep up the good work and PLEASE keep us fellow Spartans informed on your views in the world of MSU recruiting...

Go Green!

[Coached By Duffy]

Originally Posted by TruSpartan24

Duffy and Johnny...don't let the trolls get into your head. I'll bet money that the vast majority of us here, including the countless lurkers, value your opinions and insight. To be honest, you two (and a small handful of others) are the reasons I come to this site...I look forward to your posts on recruits and trust what you say. Keep up the good work and PLEASE keep us fellow Spartans informed on your views in the world of MSU recruiting...

Go Green!

Thanks ! I appreciate your comments. I will probably continue to try and keep " true Spartans" up-dated on recruiting on this forum.

[SpartanGA]

Originally Posted by Stats

The Rod is like that neighborhood bully picking on kids smaller than he is. He's now trying to steal a 2* kid from the MAC & Airforce:

http://michiganstate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1016577

This has to be a contingent offer...in case others dont pan out. Come on.