'09 MI OT Zach Matthias (Wisky Verbal)

[Big M]

Originally Posted by bpmcgant

have you guys offered?

No

[burnsmi4]

Though the coaching staff wants to see him in camp, he is one step closer to an offer with Barrent committing to Iowa with little hope of flipping him

[StatsETC]

Originally Posted by Big M

Probably need to see him in person at summer camp

Yep. We're probably only taking 4 OL with the lack of total scholarships available to give out and we're in on several very good prospects from Illinois & Ohio, so there's no need to rush into anything yet. I'd guess that we'll end up taking Mathias, Clemons, and two more OL from out of state, but there's no need to rush the offers at this point. Check them out at camp and decide at that point. If he commits to Wisconsin in the meantime, that's his loss. Love to have the kid here and I'm sure he understands the process.

[StatsETC]

Originally Posted by DrTre11

Despite my skepticism, my inside information has an official offer coming on Wed. Michigan is most likely out, not because of an offer not coming but because of the type of linemen Michigan desires. It's most likely going to come down to MSU-Wisc. if an offer does come on Wed.

Define "type of linemen Michigan desires." TIA

[Big M]

Originally Posted by StatsETC

Define "type of linemen Michigan desires." TIA

Quick, agile lineman with good footwork.

I.E, what every school wants.

[TeamCaptainJohn]

Originally Posted by Big M

Quick, agile lineman with good footwork.

I.E, what every school wants.

you want me to believe that the right guard tackle in dickrod's offensive scheme (as seen at WVU) is the exact same type of athlete MD wants at right tackle?

[Jersey Spartan]

Originally Posted by fw190bvi

you want me to believe that the right guard tackle in dickrod's offensive scheme (as seen at WVU) is the exact same type of athlete MD wants at right tackle?

He want's somebody like Boren.


Oh wait........

[Big M]

Originally Posted by Jersey Spartan

He want's somebody like Boren.


Oh wait........

Hey man, I'm back from Michigan! Wanna grab that bite to eat in Jersey City?

[detroitsportscity]

Originally Posted by Big M

Quick, agile lineman with good footwork.

I.E, what every school wants.

Quick, agile, big, strong, mean, athletic, hard working, with good hands and feet would better describe what everyone wants.

RR puts more emphasis on quick and agile, MD seems to fall in love with hard working and a lot of emphasis on footwork, and that sees to be working with Foreman and McGaha at least. There are definitely people who overlap, but there is a reason why more people from pro style O's make it to the pro's than zone schemes. Different skills off that list are paramount.

[chitownsparty86]

Originally Posted by Big M

Quick, agile lineman with good footwork.

I.E, what every school wants.

You might want to elaborate a little more then that.

[Big M]

Originally Posted by detroitsportscity

There are definitely people who overlap, but there is a reason why more people from pro style O's make it to the pro's than zone schemes. Different skills off that list are paramount.

Jake Long was a lineman in a zone blocking scheme the last 2 years..what's your point?

[Big M]

Originally Posted by chitownsparty86

You might want to elaborate a little more then that.

Simple- I think this whole "RR is only interested in Type A OL who will never get to the pro's" is being drastically overstated by MSU fans"

He does put a lot of emphasis on agility and footwork, but most schools do.

[AASpartan]

Originally Posted by Big M

Simple- I think this whole "RR is only interested in Type A OL who will never get to the pro's" is being drastically overstated by MSU fans"

He does put a lot of emphasis on agility and footwork, but most schools do.

In our experience, we do know that JLS when he ran his spread looked for a lot different kind of lineman than what Dantonio does. The difference of course is that one line has an emphasis on pass blocking while the other has a priority on run blocking...and not run blocking for a running QB which is completely different. You realize that the kind of kid that Carr would recruit for his offense aren't the same as RR is going to recruit for HIS offense. There are definitely skill set differences which are required. Matthias is definitely more of a Carr guy.

[Big M]

Originally Posted by AASpartan

In our experience, we do know that JLS when he ran his spread looked for a lot different kind of lineman than what Dantonio does. The difference of course is that one line has an emphasis on pass blocking while the other has a priority on run blocking...and not run blocking for a running QB which is completely different. You realize that the kind of kid that Carr would recruit for his offense aren't the same as RR is going to recruit for HIS offense. There are definitely skill set differences which are required. Matthias is definitely more of a Carr guy.

Yes, I acknowledge there will certainly be a difference but I think that difference is vastly overstated.

Hell, wasn't Davis-Bunnadaro or whoever the heck the fat kid's name a JLS recruit? Wasn't Dantonio the one who gave him the axe?

Didn't RR and Dantonio both pursue Omanah last year?

Sorry, but I think on the OL this "difference" isn't that substantial

Edit- I guess my main point is that the really good OL prospects usually have one thing in common now days- they have quick feet and are athletic. I don't see Dantonio or RR turning those guys down; ideally that's what everyone wants.

[phavenst]

Originally Posted by AASpartan

In our experience, we do know that JLS when he ran his spread looked for a lot different kind of lineman than what Dantonio does. The difference of course is that one line has an emphasis on pass blocking while the other has a priority on run blocking...and not run blocking for a running QB which is completely different. You realize that the kind of kid that Carr would recruit for his offense aren't the same as RR is going to recruit for HIS offense. There are definitely skill set differences which are required. Matthias is definitely more of a Carr guy.

Does this qualify as a player update??

[AASpartan]

Originally Posted by phavenst

Does this qualify as a player update??

...and then you post this in response to my post? If you've got a problem, PM me.

[DrTre11]

Michigan has VERY little chance to get Zach, I'll tell you that right now. Reason for the delay, I'm not going to post about it. In my opinion, the reason Dantonio gave him isn't his real reason. I think he needs to see some things and some other kids, but wants to keep close with this kid to make an offer if he feels it is deserved when the time comes. If Dantonio wants him, he can have him. Unless something changes dramatically. But, Dantonio may want others instead and then he'd go to Wisconsin.

[John Deere]

Originally Posted by AASpartan

In our experience, we do know that JLS when he ran his spread looked for a lot different kind of lineman than what Dantonio does. The difference of course is that one line has an emphasis on pass blocking while the other has a priority on run blocking...and not run blocking for a running QB which is completely different. You realize that the kind of kid that Carr would recruit for his offense aren't the same as RR is going to recruit for HIS offense. There are definitely skill set differences which are required. Matthias is definitely more of a Carr guy.

AA, does this boil down to a size vs speed tradeoff? Dantonio prefers a bigger - and presumably more powerful - guy than Rodriguez that wants speed first and is willing to give up some size?

If this is a correct assessment, it would seem that we would competing more for linemen that the Wisconsins, Penn States, and Ohio States of the world want, rather than what UofM/Illinois is looking for.

[StatsETC]

Originally Posted by John Deere

AA, does this boil down to a size vs speed tradeoff? Dantonio prefers a bigger - and presumably more powerful - guy than Rodriguez that wants speed first and is willing to give up some size?

If this is a correct assessment, it would seem that we would competing more for linemen that the Wisconsins, Penn States, and Ohio States of the world want, rather than what UofM/Illinois is looking for.

FYI to everyone participating in this discussion, Rod has made Chris Freeman a top priority. I'm not sure that anyone recruiting a 6'10" 350lber would be characterized as willing to give up size. This is why I posted the original reply requesting the definition of UM type lineman, because the whole premise is a total fallacy.

[Big M]

Originally Posted by StatsETC

FYI to everyone participating in this discussion, Rod has made Chris Freeman a top priority. I'm not sure that anyone recruiting a 6'10" 350lber would be characterized as willing to give up size. This is why I posted the original reply requesting the definition of UM type lineman, because the whole premise is a total fallacy.

Bingo

[detroitsportscity]

I don't think RR is willing to give up size. I think that he is more focused on other parts of an OL than raw size.