'09 MI WR Cameron Gordon (MSU Offer)

[Sparty2QP]

If the kid comes and is a better WR than those we have, he will see time at WR. You dont pass on an athlete like him. If he wants to come, I am sure we have a spot for him.

Once he gets here, I am sure we will let him compete wherever he wants. And he will probably choose the position that gets him on the field first. Who knows, he could be our Charles Woodson.

[Old Hort]

Originally Posted by Sparty2QP

If the kid comes and is a better WR than those we have, he will see time at WR. You dont pass on an athlete like him. If he wants to come, I am sure we have a spot for him.

Once he gets here, I am sure we will let him compete wherever he wants. And he will probably choose the position that gets him on the field first. Who knows, he could be our Charles Woodson.

Really, can he play OT? What about DE? Seriously, why all this "if the kid wants to be a Spartan, we will find a spot for him" talk? Scholarship numbers are limited....if you take him, just because he wants to come, and you don't have room for him (ie. he is #86 scholarship player), you are going to have to run off another kid. Otherwise, you will lose a scholarship for a position of need by taking him.

Now, will he still have a spot? I don't know....perhaps as a LB, or S, or ATH. However, to think we are not going to turn down talented kids who don't fill our needs just because they want to come to MSU is not realistic. We just did this with the Guard prospect Spiker from Ohio.

[m_sell31]

Originally Posted by Old Hort

Really, can he play OT? What about DE? Seriously, why all this "if the kid wants to be a Spartan, we will find a spot for him" talk? Scholarship numbers are limited....if you take him, just because he wants to come, and you don't have room for him (ie. he is #86 scholarship player), you are going to have to run off another kid. Otherwise, you will lose a scholarship for a position of need by taking him.

Now, will he still have a spot? I don't know....perhaps as a LB, or S, or ATH. However, to think we are not going to turn down talented kids who don't fill our needs just because they want to come to MSU is not realistic. We just did this with the Guard prospect Spiker from Ohio.

Thank you! I don't understand what some of you guys don't get. We have 4 maybe 5 spots left in this class max (unless we have some additional attrition) and those spots are going to be used at other positions, period. If the kid wanted to be a spartan like some claim he does he would have made his decision sooner. He lost his spot, thats his problem. If a spot comes open down the road fine, we can take him, but as of now he is pretty much SOL.

[TheDoctorIsIn]

Originally Posted by Old Hort

Really, can he play OT? What about DE? Seriously, why all this "if the kid wants to be a Spartan, we will find a spot for him" talk? Scholarship numbers are limited....if you take him, just because he wants to come, and you don't have room for him (ie. he is #86 scholarship player), you are going to have to run off another kid. Otherwise, you will lose a scholarship for a position of need by taking him.

Now, will he still have a spot? I don't know....perhaps as a LB, or S, or ATH. However, to think we are not going to turn down talented kids who don't fill our needs just because they want to come to MSU is not realistic. We just did this with the Guard prospect Spiker from Ohio.

A few things. Good WRs leave early, and we're bound to have at least one leave after 3 years.

He can play DB or possibly LB. Everyone gets caught up in offensive players, but really you need your defense to be deeper. Defenses tire out quickly, and you'll need to cycle players in and out more often than on offense. Right now, a good offensive coordinator sees us pull a starting DB out and stick in a 5'-9" rookie, and knows where the next play is going. Imagine replacing him with someone nearly as good.

Bringing in talent like this also fuels healthy competition.

There's always room for a player like Gordon. Why do you suppose USC took 5 of the nations best RBs in one class?

[m_sell31]

Originally Posted by TheDoctorIsIn

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There's always room for a player like Gordon. Why do you suppose USC took 5 of the nations best RBs in one class?

There is not ALWAYS room! We can only take 85 scholarship players, we are at 81 for 2009 right now. Maybe he could be a LB or CB but i would rather take someone like Hammock at LB or Barnett at Cb who actually know how to play the postion and are also highly though of recruits. Do you guys not get there are scholarship limits?

[Old Hort]

Originally Posted by m_sell31

There is not ALWAYS room! We can only take 85 scholarship players, we are at 81 for 2009 right now. Maybe he could be a LB or CB but i would rather take someone like Hammock at LB or Barnett at Cb who actually know how to play the postion and are also highly though of recruits. Do you guys not get there are scholarship limits?

Oh yes there is...if 50 wr want to come who are talented enough, I say take em!

But seriously, you take a guy who is talented, but missed his window, and you run off another player. Now, I could just be guessing, but I don't think MD runs the show like that. Not to mention, you do that, your grad rate goes down, you burn bridges, you ruin relationships....so again, how, and why do we make room?

[Gods03]

Originally Posted by m_sell31

There is not ALWAYS room! We can only take 85 scholarship players, we are at 81 for 2009 right now. Maybe he could be a LB or CB but i would rather take someone like Hammock at LB or Barnett at Cb who actually know how to play the postion and are also highly though of recruits. Do you guys not get there are scholarship limits?

Well, there may be room for Cam yet. Barnett just committed to IU. Hammock may be up in the air now, especially with his buddy headed to Bloomington, though as far as I know, he is still planning on visiting next week with the family.

[bigrp]

I know everyone says Cam wants to play WR but did this just open his scholarship back up at MSU if he is willing to play defense? (Either CB or LB)

[JBSpartan4life]

Originally Posted by bigrp

I know everyone says Cam wants to play WR but did this just open his scholarship back up at MSU if he is willing to play defense? (Either CB or LB)

I dont think his schollie would've ever been pulled. like pat white msu can bring him in as an athlete and figure his position out later.

he gives you flexibility being able to play wr/lb/safety

[Coached By Duffy]

Originally Posted by bigrp

I know everyone says Cam wants to play WR but did this just open his scholarship back up at MSU if he is willing to play defense? (Either CB or LB)

He could come as a WR, Safety, or LB but definitely not a CB. He doesn't seem to have the quick flex hips that a CB needs to turn and run w/WR's downfield from the line of scrimmage. He has decent straight line speed that a Safety needs to cover the field or come up in run support. I still believe that Coach Dantonio wants to add a pure CB to this class.

[JBSpartan4life]

Originally Posted by Coached By Duffy

He could come as a WR, Safety, or LB but definitely not a CB. He doesn't seem to have the quick flex hips that a CB needs to turn and run w/WR's downfield from the line of scrimmage. He has decent straight line speed that a Safety needs to cover the field or come up in run support. I still believe that Coach Dantonio wants to add a pure CB to this class.

I dont think so, white and dixon can both play corner, we took 2 last year and have chris R Rucker.

we're more then likely done there unless deion sanders reincarnated comes along and shows interest

[MSU addict]

Originally Posted by m_sell31

There is not ALWAYS room! We can only take 85 scholarship players, we are at 81 for 2009 right now. Maybe he could be a LB or CB but i would rather take someone like Hammock at LB or Barnett at Cb who actually know how to play the postion and are also highly though of recruits. Do you guys not get there are scholarship limits?

I think we all understand scholarship limits.

I seriously have to laugh anytime I hear someone say we have four scholarships left and we will take a OT, a CB, a MLB and pass catching TE. Methinks people who say crap like that want to impress people with their knowledge but in reality are simply clueless.

Here is the way I see things:

1) There is absolutely no position of great need we still need to address with the remaining scholarships. There is no one we will take with those scholarships that we can expect, let alone need, to start in the fall of 2009.

2) Dantonio has shown, if any anything, that he values athletes with speed who potentially could play multiple positions. These kids have only played their Junior year of HS ball, and you already want to slot them to what they will be four years down the road? Sure some recruits definitely project to a specific position right now (Maxwell, Baker, Caper, Klatt, Norman) but just as many, if not more, do not.

3) Nobody here, or at spartanmag really knows how many scholarships we will have. We don't know if someone has decided not to return next year, will be medically unable to ever play, will be academically ineligible, etc. In reality only Dantonio knows.

Yes, I beleive that there is "room" for Gordon.

[spartaspartan]

Originally Posted by MSU addict

I think we all understand scholarship limits.

I seriously have to laugh anytime I hear someone say we have four scholarships left and we will take a OT, a CB, a MLB and pass catching TE. Methinks people who say crap like that want to impress people with their knowledge but in reality are simply clueless.

Here is the way I see things:

1) There is absolutely no position of great need we still need to address with the remaining scholarships. There is no one we will take with those scholarships that we can expect, let alone need, to start in the fall of 2009.

2) Dantonio has shown, if any anything, that he values athletes with speed who potentially could play multiple positions. These kids have only played their Junior year of HS ball, and you already want to slot them to what they will be four years down the road? Sure some recruits definitely project to a specific position right now (Maxwell, Baker, Caper, Klatt, Norman) but just as many, if not more, do not.

3) Nobody here, or at spartanmag really knows how many scholarships we will have. We don't know if someone has decided not to return next year, will be medically unable to ever play, will be academically ineligible, etc. In reality only Dantonio knows.

Yes, I beleive that there is "room" for Gordon.

I agree with almost all of that. I do think the only position we need to take is one more pure DE, unless of course, MD already has that person in mind with the multiple position recruits he has already taken in

[FredLee]

Originally Posted by MSU addict

I think we all understand scholarship limits.

I seriously have to laugh anytime I hear someone say we have four scholarships left and we will take a OT, a CB, a MLB and pass catching TE. Methinks people who say crap like that want to impress people with their knowledge but in reality are simply clueless.

Here is the way I see things:

1) There is absolutely no position of great need we still need to address with the remaining scholarships. There is no one we will take with those scholarships that we can expect, let alone need, to start in the fall of 2009.

2) Dantonio has shown, if any anything, that he values athletes with speed who potentially could play multiple positions. These kids have only played their Junior year of HS ball, and you already want to slot them to what they will be four years down the road? Sure some recruits definitely project to a specific position right now (Maxwell, Baker, Caper, Klatt, Norman) but just as many, if not more, do not.

3) Nobody here, or at spartanmag really knows how many scholarships we will have. We don't know if someone has decided not to return next year, will be medically unable to ever play, will be academically ineligible, etc. In reality only Dantonio knows.

Yes, I beleive that there is "room" for Gordon.

Only true if Hoebing is going to play offensive tackle. If he is going to play a different spot than 1 tackle IS NEEDED

[MSU addict]

Originally Posted by spartaspartan

I agree with almost all of that. I do think the only position we need to take is one more pure DE, unless of course, MD already has that person in mind with the multiple position recruits he has already taken in

Every team in the nation would like to add a great DE. The bottom line is that no one left on our board is a lock to be a dominant college DE let alone even a decent one - not France, not Custis nore anyone else. Could they be, sure - but it is a long way from point A to point B.

[Old Hort]

Originally Posted by MSU addict

I think we all understand scholarship limits.

I seriously have to laugh anytime I hear someone say we have four scholarships left and we will take a OT, a CB, a MLB and pass catching TE. Methinks people who say crap like that want to impress people with their knowledge but in reality are simply clueless.

Here is the way I see things:

1) There is absolutely no position of great need we still need to address with the remaining scholarships. There is no one we will take with those scholarships that we can expect, let alone need, to start in the fall of 2009.

2) Dantonio has shown, if any anything, that he values athletes with speed who potentially could play multiple positions. These kids have only played their Junior year of HS ball, and you already want to slot them to what they will be four years down the road? Sure some recruits definitely project to a specific position right now (Maxwell, Baker, Caper, Klatt, Norman) but just as many, if not more, do not.

3) Nobody here, or at spartanmag really knows how many scholarships we will have. We don't know if someone has decided not to return next year, will be medically unable to ever play, will be academically ineligible, etc. In reality only Dantonio knows.

Yes, I beleive that there is "room" for Gordon.

MSU Addict, you are correct, and there may be room for Gordon....what I am arguing against is this idea that we can "make room" for guys if they are good enough. So, say it is January, we are done recruiting, and we are filled up. There are NO more spaces available. Cam Gordon decides that he wants to be a Spartan. We cannot "make room" for him, no matter how good of an athlete or fb player he is.

There seems to be this idea that you "make room" for guys if they want to come to MSU, and sometimes, you just can't.

This is what I am arguing about.

[lehmanj4]

There is always room for a wide receiver at wide receiver U, forget the LB or the DE they don't put points on the board. Greg Jones can cover all the LB positions believe me NCAA 09 can prove this point if you are in doubt.

[St8 Law]

Originally Posted by lehmanj4

There is always room for a wide receiver at wide receiver U, forget the LB or the DE they don't put points on the board. Greg Jones can cover all the LB positions believe me NCAA 09 can prove this point if you are in doubt.

[MSU addict]

Originally Posted by FredLee

Only true if Hoebing is going to play offensive tackle. If he is going to play a different spot than 1 tackle IS NEEDED

1) Hoebing in all likelihood will not play OT.

2) I disagree that we NEED an OT. We recruited 4 offensive lineman last year, three of which Dantonio has said could play tackle - Deyo, Hueter and Ruhland. I also believe Micajah Reynolds (depending on conditioning) could play OT.

3) There really is only one potential OT left for us - Thornton. He may or may not decide to wear green and white - accept that fact.

[Dorian]

Originally Posted by Old Hort

There seems to be this idea that you "make room" for guys if they want to come to MSU, and sometimes, you just can't.

Count me among those who believe that even if MSU has one scholly available - you give it to the most talented player who wants to play at MSU, (short of MSU having drastic need at a completely different position).

Just thought I'd say that in case MD is reading this and is taking a poll of the MSU nation.