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02-13-2008, 12:40 PM
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Love for Keshawn and Fred Smith
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02-13-2008, 01:11 PM
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Pretty solid analysis all the way around. Good find.  |
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02-13-2008, 01:17 PM
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#41 Glenn Winston
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I have no idea how much credibility that guy has, but I love to see good ink about any Spartan... The running theme I keep reading is that Martin is a huge sleeper with tons of potential! |
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02-13-2008, 01:20 PM
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#23 Javon Ringer
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Do you think MSU will try to put Martin at a slot/slash wr or what? Guy has some serious moves. Fred Smith will be a great big target. Whats the possible depth chart looking like?
Dell Smith, Martin? Can't remember who else you have coming back. |
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02-13-2008, 01:36 PM
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Do you think MSU will try to put Martin at a slot/slash wr or what? Guy has some serious moves. Fred Smith will be a great big target. Whats the possible depth chart looking like?
Dell Smith, Martin? Can't remember who else you have coming back. |
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02-13-2008, 01:50 PM
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To me, the big question is how Dell does in the offseason training program. He's listed currently as 6'2" 185 lbs. If he can show up closer to 200 lbs, he will be a lot stronger getting off the line of scrimmage next year. Right now I would project him as the #1 guy.
Behind Dell, it gets a bit more competitive. Fred Smith comes in with the size (6'2" 207 lbs.) but he has to learn the offense before he can be a major contributor. Also don't forget about Curry. He played well as a chain moving possession receiver towards the end of the year. My guess is that Curry starts ahead of Smith to start the year but Smith comes in on a few plays. As the year progresses and Smith gets better acclimated to the offense, look for Smith to take on a bigger role and Curry moving to the #3 slot.
Here is where things get interesting with Martin. Hopefully, he's the real deal and worth all the hype. If he is, look for Treadwell to take advantage of his athletic abilities. He'll probably line up most times in the slot position where they will try to get speed mismatches between him and a linebacker or safety. However, don't be surprised if he is moved around the offensive formation as well to take advantage of his unique abilities.
He may line up as a running back in some formations and with his time as a QB, it isn't out of the realm of reason to see him line up as the QB in a "Wildcat" formation where the defense would have to respect both his ability to run and his ability to pass.
His passing abilities may also be used on end around passes where he receives a handoff coming from the slot position and then throws the ball down field.
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02-13-2008, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by wingfanjim
To me, the big question is how Dell does in the offseason training program. He's listed currently as 6'2" 185 lbs. If he can show up closer to 200 lbs, he will be a lot stronger getting off the line of scrimmage next year. Right now I would project him as the #1 guy.
Behind Dell, it gets a bit more competitive. Fred Smith comes in with the size (6'2" 207 lbs.) but he has to learn the offense before he can be a major contributor. Also don't forget about Curry. He played well as a chain moving possession receiver towards the end of the year. My guess is that Curry starts ahead of Smith to start the year but Smith comes in on a few plays. As the year progresses and Smith gets better acclimated to the offense, look for Smith to take on a bigger role and Curry moving to the #3 slot.
Here is where things get interesting with Martin. Hopefully, he's the real deal and worth all the hype. If he is, look for Treadwell to take advantage of his athletic abilities. He'll probably line up most times in the slot position where they will try to get speed mismatches between him and a linebacker or safety. However, don't be surprised if he is moved around the offensive formation as well to take advantage of his unique abilities.
He may line up as a running back in some formations and with his time as a QB, it isn't out of the realm of reason to see him line up as the QB in a "Wildcat" formation where the defense would have to respect both his ability to run and his ability to pass.
His passing abilities may also be used on end around passes where he receives a handoff coming from the slot position and then throws the ball down field.
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Where does BJ Cunningham fit in then? Either way, our wide receiver's are really young and talented.
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02-13-2008, 02:05 PM
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Dell, Curry, Cunningham, Smith, Martin, thats a nice line up guys
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02-13-2008, 02:07 PM
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Definitely forgot about cunningham and curry. Smith could do like greg matthews did. Ease in slowly but by end off the year become more of a go to guy.
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02-13-2008, 03:19 PM
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Where does BJ Cunningham fit in then? Either way, our wide receiver's are really young and talented. |
Forgot about BJ. He will definitely be in the mix fighting for that #2 and #3 receiver spot as well. If both him and Curry are impressive, there is a chance that Martin or Smith could redshirt. Also, don't forget that Chris D. Rucker and possibly David Williams will be somewhere in the mix as well.
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02-13-2008, 03:43 PM
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I heard they are working hard with Dell on blocking...and he could get passed on the depth chart if others (Cunningham, Smith) develop well.
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02-13-2008, 05:47 PM
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I heard they are working hard with Dell on blocking...and he could get passed on the depth chart if others (Cunningham, Smith) develop well.
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Ryan Allison may come up huge in this regard, he's 6'3 225 
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02-13-2008, 05:49 PM
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Should put "He Hate Me" on the back of Keyshawns jersey.
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02-13-2008, 05:50 PM
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WOTS is that Cunningham is very very good, as good as Dell or better.
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02-13-2008, 05:56 PM
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WOTS is that Cunningham is very very good, as good as Dell or better.
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Yep, that RS year evidently did wonder for some of his fundamentals. MSU has almost ALWAYS had very good WRs, coincidently some of our worse were under JLS 
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02-13-2008, 06:57 PM
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What about Grimes. Gosh, wasn't he a 4 star out of high school. Time for him to start isn't it?
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02-13-2008, 07:11 PM
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What about Grimes. Gosh, wasn't he a 4 star out of high school. Time for him to start isn't it?
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He was a 4 star but he goes under the overrated category. He just doesn't have the ability to play WR. He's more like a scat runningback. 5 9 is a generous height for him too. I don't expect much at all out of him.
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02-13-2008, 08:42 PM
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He was a 4 star but he goes under the overrated category. He just doesn't have the ability to play WR. He's more like a scat runningback. 5 9 is a generous height for him too. I don't expect much at all out of him.
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Punt returner maybe.
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02-14-2008, 11:57 AM
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Ryan Allison may come up huge in this regard, he's 6'3 225 |
and uncoordinated based upon what I saw first-hand down in Orlando...Or do we just blame Hoyer for bad throws...
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02-14-2008, 12:05 PM
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and uncoordinated based upon what I saw first-hand down in Orlando...Or do we just blame Hoyer for bad throws...
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Are you thinking of Blair White?
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02-14-2008, 02:06 PM
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Maybe we use him as Mizzou used Jeremy Maclin (freshman standout). As a punt returner/ kick returner and give him a few touches in space when on offense.
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02-14-2008, 04:10 PM
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Maybe we use him as Mizzou used Jeremy Maclin (freshman standout). As a punt returner/ kick returner and give him a few touches in space when on offense.
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More or less what I'm thinking, slowly work him in at WR, but still take advantage of his natural athleticism.
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Should put "He Hate Me" on the back of Keyshawns jersey.
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He could be MSU's version of Antwan Randall-El. Hopefully. 
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