My response to Kelly fleecing Dantonio

[Spartan4ever]

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[ToP]

They're touchy over there.

[AASpartan]

All anyone really has to say is that no one is worried about Cincy coming into Michigan and stealing anyone that we want. He has never been a real player with high level talent in Michigan and he isn't now either even with their record last year. We're lucking out with some kids who have been worked on for 2 years now who want to commit to build something at MSU. That's all it is.

[TruSpartan24]

Originally Posted by Spartan4ever

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why in the world would you get banned for that post??

[Spartan4ever]

Originally Posted by TruSpartan24

why in the world would you get banned for that post??

Because it exposes A330driver's arguement for what it is, and they know they can't defend their idiocy.

[newlander]

That might be true AASpartan.....but you know what they say: you make your own luck. IMO it's a combination of 3 things: 1) Coach D getting after it, especially in Detroit where JLS didn't have the cajones or street cred to get anything done 2) good fortune/luck of nabbing some kids who as you say have been worked on for quite some time now. We've had lightning strike a couple times lately: especially with regard to Baker and Caper. Which brings me to 3) Dickrod and his "offense" at SCum aren't giving in state kids who want to STAY in state much of a choice. His gimmicky: albeit very effective offense doesn't emphasize the RB's like a pro style/I formation 'O' like Coach D's does. Slaton did well at WVU but White got more action and carries. Either Baker or Caper would've probably been in AA if Lloyd was still there IMO. That's why I'm hoping Dion Sims realizes that the new coach in AA doesn't use the tight end to throw to AT ALL........

[GRR Spartan]

The Big Ten has turned into an early commitment conference. Carr and Tressel usually had 12 to 15 commitments before July. PSU the same way so Dantonio has to adapt to the way this conference works. JLS never figured it out.

Top level SEC players will play the game and take a lot of recruiting trips but most Midwest players seem to like having made their decision before their senior season starts.

[SpartanFan81]

The fact that they think BK can recruit better players to UC than MSU is laughable. Or the fact that BK can dictate how our instate recruiting will go. Ill agree BK is a good recruiter, hes a used car type salesman, but he will never recruit better than MSU. MSU is >>>>>> Cinci in terms of anything they have to offer.

[Donnyrotten]

Originally Posted by SpartanFan81

The fact that they think BK can recruit better players to UC than MSU is laughable. Or the fact that BK can dictate how our instate recruiting will go. Ill agree BK is a good recruiter, hes a used car type salesman, but he will never recruit better than MSU. MSU is >>>>>> Cinci in terms of anything they have to offer.

I agree with that..excepting the weightroom,which is better than most any in the country

[AASpartan]

Originally Posted by SpartanFan81

The fact that they think BK can recruit better players to UC than MSU is laughable. Or the fact that BK can dictate how our instate recruiting will go. Ill agree BK is a good recruiter, hes a used car type salesman, but he will never recruit better than MSU. MSU is >>>>>> Cinci in terms of anything they have to offer.

Well, they are posting on a Scout board where they actually have their 2008 class rated higher than ours. Maybe they actually believe that they got targets we were going after or that they did really well in the state of Michigan.

They got George Winn, Cammeron Cheatham, Sean Hooey, Brendon Kay, Darrin Williams, and Bruce Horner out Michigan last year. All two stars. None with major interest. I think only Sean Hooey had offers from anyone but MAC schools. They all jumped on their Cincy offers because they weren't going to get anything better.

[SpartanFan81]

Originally Posted by roundhead

I agree with that..excepting the weightroom,which is better than most any in the country

Isn't ours about to be state of the art too? I heard it's doubling in size.

[SpartanFan81]

Originally Posted by AASpartan

Well, they are posting on a Scout board where they actually have their 2008 class rated higher than ours. Maybe they actually believe that they got targets we were going after or that they did really well in the state of Michigan.

They got George Winn, Cammeron Cheatham, Sean Hooey, Brendon Kay, Darrin Williams, and Bruce Horner out Michigan last year. All two stars. None with major interest. I think only Sean Hooey had offers from anyone but MAC schools. They all jumped on their Cincy offers because they weren't going to get anything better.

Yea those are all high end MAC level recruits who fit in perfectly with the MAC level Big East. The only guy from that class I would want is Sean Hooey. I think that Darrin Williams and Horner will be successful at Cinci, we have better players than those in our class tho.

[PortlandSpartan]

Here's my response:

[Donnyrotten]

Originally Posted by SpartanFan81

Yea those are all high end MAC level recruits who fit in perfectly with the MAC level Big East. The only guy from that class I would want is Sean Hooey. I think that Darrin Williams and Horner will be successful at Cinci, we have better players than those in our class tho.

I dont mind a homer but at least be honest...the Big East is hardly MAC level...i think they went undefeated in bowls year before last,and did ok last year...half the teams in the league had the same or higher rated recruiting classes than State did(according to Rivals)more if you go by scout...so your statement isnt factually correct

In fact,i went and looked(according to scout)UCONN is the only team in the conference rated lower than MSU

[calispartan]

Originally Posted by roundhead

I dont mind a homer but at least be honest...the Big East is hardly MAC level...i think they went undefeated in bowls year before last,and did ok last year...half the teams in the league had the same or higher rated recruiting classes than State did(according to Rivals)more if you go by scout...so your statement isnt factually correct

If you were to get drunk at meet the BK broiler would you be the pitcher or catcher?

[Donnyrotten]

Originally Posted by calispartan

If you were to get drunk at meet the BK broiler would you be the pitcher or catcher?

If you dont like facts go somewhere else

[AASpartan]

Originally Posted by roundhead

I dont mind a homer but at least be honest...the Big East is hardly MAC level...i think they went undefeated in bowls year before last,and did ok last year...half the teams in the league had the same or higher rated recruiting classes than State did(according to Rivals)more if you go by scout...so your statement isnt factually correct

In fact,i went and looked(according to scout)UCONN is the only team in the conference rated lower than MSU

In Rivals, the only team with higher average stars than MSU in the Big East was Pitt. In Scout...Syracuse, Cincy, Louisville, and UConn all had lower average star ratings.

Don't forget that a lot of those points are generated by simply having a greater number of commits...which is pretty dependent on the situation at the school. MSU only took 21 kids opposed to a place like Cincy that took 24 or Syracuse at 26.

Even though Scout has us at the bottom of their ratings for 2008, they still would have us at about the middle of the pack in the Big East for quality (not quantity).

[StatsETC]

Originally Posted by roundhead

I dont mind a homer but at least be honest...the Big East is hardly MAC level...i think they went undefeated in bowls year before last,and did ok last year...half the teams in the league had the same or higher rated recruiting classes than State did(according to Rivals)more if you go by scout...so your statement isnt factually correct

In fact,i went and looked(according to scout)UCONN is the only team in the conference rated lower than MSU

The second place team in the Big East goes to the freaking PapaJohns.com Bowl! They damn well better have a great bowl record considering their best teams play against mid-majors.

[Donnyrotten]

Originally Posted by StatsETC

The second place team in the Big East goes to the freaking PapaJohns.com Bowl! They damn well better have a great bowl record considering their best teams play against mid-majors.

ummm...they didnt finish in second place

[TeamCaptainJohn]

Originally Posted by roundhead

ummm...they didnt finish in second place

right. that was UConn, who went to the Meineke Care Care Bowl. i heard George Foreman was the half time entetainment

[Donnyrotten]

Originally Posted by AASpartan

In Rivals, the only team with higher average stars than MSU in the Big East was Pitt. In Scout...Syracuse, Cincy, Louisville, and UConn all had lower average star ratings.

Don't forget that a lot of those points are generated by simply having a greater number of commits...which is pretty dependent on the situation at the school. MSU only took 21 kids opposed to a place like Cincy that took 24 or Syracuse at 26.

Even though Scout has us at the bottom of their ratings for 2008, they still would have us at about the middle of the pack in the Big East for quality (not quantity).

I just went by the rankings,which seems to be the standard way most look at it(unless in my case i make an arguement that flies in the face of the untruth a previous poster muttered)

The Big East(as a relatively new football conference)i would suspect,if anything probably doesnt get as high of star ratings as a given kid would deserve,simply by virtue of the conference.

IE if say Syracuse and Rutgers had both offered a two star kid,and all the sudden Ohio state offered the same kid,do you think his "star"would rise??

Of course it would ....so with that in mind,having half the conference rated higher in one service,and nearly all of it another,its likely the recruit rankings arent even as close as one would think

[AASpartan]

Originally Posted by roundhead

I just went by the rankings,which seems to be the standard way most look at it(unless in my case i make an arguement that flies in the face of the untruth a previous poster muttered)

The Big East(as a relatively new football conference)i would suspect,if anything probably doesnt get as high of star ratings as a given kid would deserve,simply by virtue of the conference.

IE if say Syracuse and Rutgers had both offered a two star kid,and all the sudden Ohio state offered the same kid,do you think his "star"would rise??

Of course it would ....so with that in mind,having half the conference rated higher in one service,and nearly all of it another,its likely the recruit rankings arent even as close as one would think

I would say that simply being a school in the Big East would affect the kid's rankings, however for the most part it's viewed as a conference a little bit above Conference USA so offers from there don't mean as much as an SEC, Big 12, Big 10, or Pac-10 offer.

If Ohio State offered a kid it doesn't mean that his ratings are going to shoot up, but it will likely mean that the kid will be re-evaluated. Chances are that if OSU is offering him a schollie, he's pretty good. Whereas if Rutgers or Syracuse are the only schools interested, it's iffy at best since they aren't able to be as picky as OSU.

A lot of people look at the flat numbers when trying to look at recruiting, but it's really more about quality than quantity as we found out with JLS. He had more kids and less stars...which appeared to be higher rated classes, when in actuality all we did was bring in bodies that couldn't play in the Big Ten.

[SpartanRocky]

Originally Posted by AASpartan

I would say that simply being a school in the Big East would affect the kid's rankings, however for the most part it's viewed as a conference a little bit above Conference USA so offers from there don't mean as much as an SEC, Big 12, Big 10, or Pac-10 offer.

If Ohio State offered a kid it doesn't mean that his ratings are going to shoot up, but it will likely mean that the kid will be re-evaluated. Chances are that if OSU is offering him a schollie, he's pretty good. Whereas if Rutgers or Syracuse are the only schools interested, it's iffy at best since they aren't able to be as picky as OSU.