Welcome, Keith Nichol! (Incoming MSU Transfer)

[goState18]

Originally Posted by Engs2525

Thanks man, I appreciate the info. Sounds like a stud.

In fact, the DAY BEFORE HE BAILED FOR OU, he released a statement saying he was "absolutely solid" for MSU, and that MSU fans had nothing to worry about, that he was a spartan, always would be a spartan, and nothing would change his commitment.

[spartanMF]

DrTre11, do you have a video link to Foles? He broke Brew Brees records and threw 30 Tds vs. 4 INts as a senior at a very high level of high school football.

[detroitsportscity]

Originally Posted by spartanMF

Nichol could not pick up the system like Bradford.

Nichol was not as far along in the system. Bradford had an extra year. So I wouldn't call it 'picking up' but nore 'wasn't as far along' or something like that.

But yeah, Nichol was supposed to be the most talented one per Oklahoma's press releases, just Bradford had more experience. And quite frankly - that's sick.

But we've seen plenty of press releases that didn't measure up here, so we really don't know much at this point.

[Nals]

Originally Posted by G Norm Oosdyk

One of the primary knocks on Nichol is his size - probably a legit 6'2" from some reports though he is listed at 6'3" in most reports.

He has the necessary cannon for an arm and showed a very nice touch on short passes in his junior and senior campaigns.

On top of that he can run.

What is, of course, unknown is his ability to read major college defenses and make necessary adjustments. I'm not sure exactly on what factors Bradford beat Nichol out in, but if Nichol was even close to Bradford (and most accounts would say this) he will be a heckava D-I QB.

Chad Henne is 6'2, but also had a rocket arm.

I thought about it, and mobility will not play much of a factor, as none of these guys are statues.

[Nals]

Originally Posted by AASpartan

Either he redshirts next year or burns a year of eligibility on the bench.

He redshirts, probably plays in the first game or two. The only way he doesn't is if he earns the backup job, and then the starter goes down.

[SpartanGA]

Originally Posted by detroitsportscity

Nichol was not as far along in the system. Bradford had an extra year. So I wouldn't call it 'picking up' but nore 'wasn't as far along' or something like that.

But yeah, Nichol was supposed to be the most talented one per Oklahoma's press releases, just Bradford had more experience. And quite frankly - that's sick.

But we've seen plenty of press releases that didn't measure up here, so we really don't know much at this point.

I thought I read that Nichol didnt do that well in spring ball? Not sure he was even #2 coming out of spring ball....and OU brings in 1 or 2 4* or 5* QBs each year...

[AASpartan]

Originally Posted by Nals

He redshirts, probably plays in the first game or two. The only way he doesn't is if he earns the backup job, and then the starter goes down.

If he decides to come here, he can't play until 2009. I was saying that he either loses a year of eligibility due to not redshirting or retains a year of eligibility by redshirting. It all counts against his clock.

[StatsETC]

Originally Posted by DrTre11

I get people liking Cousins and Foles-I do too. However, Nichol was more talented coming out of HS and when you watch video of each...I'm sorry but it isn't close. Anyone doubting that most likely hasn't watched video. However, I will say that Foles' size gives him serious upside which could become a factor.

According to poster tritongreen in a thread on tRCMB, the Elite 11 guys said Cousins was much better than Nichol.

http://www.spartantailgate.com/forum...les-fight.html

[OPSpartan]

Originally Posted by StatsETC

According to poster tritongreen in a thread on tRCMB, the Elite 11 guys said Cousins was much better than Nichol.

http://www.spartantailgate.com/forum...les-fight.html

Yea, they disliked Nichol so much they invited him to their camp.

[goState18]

So, essentially, nothing changes compared to if he would have come here in the first place.

[DrTre11]

I was expecting an article the day after they pulled it on rivals. What is up with this situation, I'd love to get some sort of update.

[spartaspartan]

ask Nat, I'm sure he will relay the whole spartanmag board over here

[JBSpartan4life]

Originally Posted by StatsETC

According to poster tritongreen in a thread on tRCMB, the Elite 11 guys said Cousins was much better than Nichol.

http://www.spartantailgate.com/forum...les-fight.html

which is exactly why Nichol was invited to the actual elite 11 and Cousins wasn't. (no offense to kirk, he's a good qb)

[JBSpartan4life]

Originally Posted by spartanMF

DrTre11, do you have a video link to Foles? He broke Brew Brees records and threw 30 Tds vs. 4 INts as a senior at a very high level of high school football.

and keith nichol threw for 31 touch downs against 6 ints and also ran for a 1,000 and 19 rushing TD's against the highest level in michigan.

If you watched the film of both of them their throwing arms are pretty equal. Both have good arm strength and accuracy.

But Nichol can run, and that can be huge in key situations. He also throws very well on the run.

Those 2 intangibles are what I think give him an edge on foles.

[wiegman1]

Div 2 football, which lowell plays, is not the highest level in michigan. I understand that they compete with Muskegon, Brother Rice, and many of the Detroit teams. But they dont play the major teams in the state. For instance Macomb Dakota, Detroit Catholic Central, Utica Eisenhower. Now the arguement here would state that not allot of talent comes out of those division 1 schools, but all these schools have great offensive and defensive lines nearly every year. They are the best in the state. The only major competitor year to year i would say is muskegon; and they dont even get to play each other.

[detroitsportscity]

Originally Posted by wiegman1

Div 2 football, which lowell plays, is not the highest level in michigan. I understand that they compete with Muskegon, Brother Rice, and many of the Detroit teams. But they dont play the major teams in the state. For instance Macomb Dakota, Detroit Catholic Central, Utica Eisenhower. Now the arguement here would state that not allot of talent comes out of those division 1 schools, but all these schools have great offensive and defensive lines nearly every year. They are the best in the state. The only major competitor year to year i would say is muskegon; and they dont even get to play each other.

Actually, Muskegon, BBR, and the like are the best in the state. Michigan's D2 is better than the D1. D(N)CC is not very good and is right on the border of D1 and D2. Dakota is great, Rockford is good. But sorry, D1 is not that good. OLSM, De La Salle, Lowell, etc. are all D2.

[spartanjt77]

Originally Posted by detroitsportscity

Actually, Muskegon, BBR, and the like are the best in the state. Michigan's D2 is better than the D1. D(N)CC is not very good and is right on the border of D1 and D2. Dakota is great, Rockford is good. But sorry, D1 is not that good. OLSM, De La Salle, Lowell, etc. are all D2.

Det CC went to the state semis in D1 last year & has won 8 state championships in Div 1/ AA. If that's not very good,,,,would like to see what is ??

[detroitsportscity]

Originally Posted by spartanjt77

Det CC went to the state semis in D1 last year & has won 8 state championships in Div 1/ AA. If that's not very good,,,,would like to see what is ??

Yeah, they went to the semis last year. And the year before that they didn't make the playoffs(going 4-5), and the year before that they lost in the 2nd round, and so on. CC hasn't been 'that good' since the mid-90's. And, as I said, D1 is not that good. If you want to mention D1 powerhouses mention Rockford.

I'll take the top 8 in D2 vs. the top 8 in D1 and D2 will have a much better win% if they played over the past decade. BBR beats up on CC every year, and OLSM has gotten in the habit of doing the same. Now, the 'average' D1 team vs. the 'average' D2 team? Yes, I would say D1 is better. But the best football in the state of Michigan is played at the D2 level.

[spartanjt77]

Originally Posted by detroitsportscity

Yeah, they went to the semis last year. And the year before that they didn't make the playoffs(going 4-5), and the year before that they lost in the 2nd round, and so on. CC hasn't been 'that good' since the mid-90's. And, as I said, D1 is not that good. If you want to mention D1 powerhouses mention Rockford.

I'll take the top 8 in D2 vs. the top 8 in D1 and D2 will have a much better win% if they played over the past decade. BBR beats up on CC every year, and OLSM has gotten in the habit of doing the same. Now, the 'average' D1 team vs. the 'average' D2 team? Yes, I would say D1 is better. But the best football in the state of Michigan is played at the D2 level.

Don't let the facts get in the way of your opinions.....

DCC won consecutive state titles in 2001, 2002 & 2003. Yes, Rockford won the title in 2004 & 2005, but, they got knocked out in the districts in 2007. CC lost to BBR in 2007 , but beat OLSM during the regular season.

As for the top teams in DII being consistently better than in DI, that is difficult to say for sure. I will say this,,,,,I'll take the DI champ from the last 8 years against the DII champ & betcha I win at least 6 out of 8 of those games.

[Handbanana]

Originally Posted by detroitsportscity

Actually, Muskegon, BBR, and the like are the best in the state. Michigan's D2 is better than the D1. D(N)CC is not very good and is right on the border of D1 and D2. Dakota is great, Rockford is good. But sorry, D1 is not that good. OLSM, De La Salle, Lowell, etc. are all D2.

Wow. First, OLSM is DIII. Second, using La Salle as an argument for DII is asinine. DII does have some great programs but they have no where near the depth that DI has.

[detroitsportscity]

Originally Posted by SpartyLaw

Wow. First, OLSM is DIII. Second, using La Salle as an argument for DII is asinine. DII does have some great programs but they have no where near the depth that DI has.

OLSM did only play in the D2 playoffs in 2006. And D1 is deeper. D2 is better.

[SpartanFan81]

Originally Posted by detroitsportscity

OLSM did only play in the D2 playoffs in 2006. And D1 is deeper. D2 is better.

Very true. Having played football in high school in both D1 and D2, D2 is definitely better than D1. We were on the border of both and really hoping to go to D1 cause its that much easier.

[bigreds1989]

Right now D2 is better slightly.