William Campbell going to visit...

[JBSpartan4life]

Originally Posted by Big M

Out of UM's 8 recruits, 2 are from Michigan, 3 are from Ohio, and 1 is from Minnesota.

of the two from michigan one's going to usc/miami the other one couldn't even start last season.

Of the three from Ohio one has a 1.7 gpa.

[the Bray]

Originally Posted by JBSpartan4life

name 3 recruits uofm has landed (outside the state of michigan) over the past 3 recruiting periods that are on par with nick perry,rojo,campbell? Maybe Donovan Warren but I dont really think so.

msu is also off to as good a start as anybody (outside OSU of course) and they've done it by protecting the home front.

I also guarrantee you uofm wont land a rb and lb the caliber of baker and Norman this year. They blew it with those 2, what ever the excuse is, they lost.

If uofm struggles this year (highly likely) there's a good shot uofm's national rep will continue to slide and they'll have a difficult time holding onto kids like newsome and beaver when the home schools start calling. This obviously wouldn't be an issue if they where from michigan.

The past 3 recruiting periods in the state of Michigan (07-09) have been exceptional and 2010 looks to be just as promissing. Real dumb time to start venturing off if you're uofm.

Michigans foundation over the year's has generally always consisted of michigan players (edwards,woodley,trent,taylor,grahm,long,breston etc)

If you took any two of those guys and put them at msu I dont believe uofm is nearly as succesful as they've been.

That's what you're looking at in losing guys like hoover,smith,baker,caper and norman to msu.

if you truly believe uofm can recruit well enough nationally against the heavy hiters to off-set those losses, then all I'll say is good luck.

Breaston was a Pennsylvania kid. The others you've listed certainly played a big part of Michigan's success under Carr, but Michigan has really relied on recruiting Penn/Ohio. Just in the last handful of years they've taken Henne, Breaston, Manningham, Crable, Burgess, and Harrison. And saying Michigan won't get an instate RB as good as Baker is irrelevent. Look at Michigan's top RB's through the years... Hart (NY), Thomas (LA), Perry (VA), Biakabutuka (Canada), and on and on. That's one position they have had no problem going out of state and getting.

[takeownershiptoday]

funny to read all of the SC talk. it seems no one thinks they might be in serious trouble during this kid's career. i think the moment we see pete carrol leave, that's the indicator that the axe is about to fall.

SC seems risky to me right now

[JohnSpringer]

Originally Posted by JBSpartan4life

name 3 recruits uofm has landed (outside the state of michigan) over the past 3 recruiting periods that are on par with nick perry,rojo,campbell? Maybe Donovan Warren but I dont really think so.

msu is also off to as good a start as anybody (outside OSU of course) and they've done it by protecting the home front.

I also guarrantee you uofm wont land a rb and lb the caliber of baker and Norman this year. They blew it with those 2, what ever the excuse is, they lost.

If uofm struggles this year (highly likely) there's a good shot uofm's national rep will continue to slide and they'll have a difficult time holding onto kids like newsome and beaver when the home schools start calling. This obviously wouldn't be an issue if they where from michigan.

The past 3 recruiting periods in the state of Michigan (07-09) have been exceptional and 2010 looks to be just as promissing. Real dumb time to start venturing off if you're uofm.

Michigans foundation over the year's has generally always consisted of michigan players (edwards,woodley,trent,taylor,grahm,long,breston etc)

If you took any two of those guys and put them at msu I dont believe uofm is nearly as succesful as they've been.

That's what you're looking at in losing guys like hoover,smith,baker,caper and norman to msu.

if you truly believe uofm can recruit well enough nationally against the heavy hiters to off-set those losses, then all I'll say is good luck.

Donovan Warren was a top 25 player in the country I would say he qualifies but you say he doesn't. Just proves to me you don't know anything.

[stanton for heisman]

Originally Posted by JBSpartan4life

name 3 recruits uofm has landed (outside the state of michigan) over the past 3 recruiting periods that are on par with nick perry,rojo,campbell? Maybe Donovan Warren but I dont really think so.

msu is also off to as good a start as anybody (outside OSU of course) and they've done it by protecting the home front.

I also guarrantee you uofm wont land a rb and lb the caliber of baker and Norman this year. They blew it with those 2, what ever the excuse is, they lost.

If uofm struggles this year (highly likely) there's a good shot uofm's national rep will continue to slide and they'll have a difficult time holding onto kids like newsome and beaver when the home schools start calling. This obviously wouldn't be an issue if they where from michigan.

The past 3 recruiting periods in the state of Michigan (07-09) have been exceptional and 2010 looks to be just as promissing. Real dumb time to start venturing off if you're uofm.

Michigans foundation over the year's has generally always consisted of michigan players (edwards,woodley,trent,taylor,grahm,long,breston etc)

If you took any two of those guys and put them at msu I dont believe uofm is nearly as succesful as they've been.

That's what you're looking at in losing guys like hoover,smith,baker,caper and norman to msu.

if you truly believe uofm can recruit well enough nationally against the heavy hiters to off-set those losses, then all I'll say is good luck.

2007 - Rivals 5 stars Mallet and Warren
2006- Rivals 5 star Schilling

Also, Campbell is still committed to UM and will sign with them (look at Brandon Graham's recruitment as an example).

How did UM's recruiting class end up last year??? Doesn't appear they need much luck to me.

Also, UM is sitting strong with several of the top 2010 prospects (Bolden, Jackson, Mathias).

[Spartan Pride]

Originally Posted by stanton for heisman

Also, UM is sitting strong with several of the top 2010 prospects (Bolden, Jackson, Mathias).

Well let's see how many of them they get.

And those guys are good, but by most accounts the top 4 in the state next year will be Gardner (OSU), Bullough (MSU), Gholston (OSU), and White (MSU).

[Big M]

Originally Posted by Spartan Pride

Well let's see how many of them they get.

And those guys are good, but by most accounts the top 4 in the state next year will be Gardner (OSU), Bullough (MSU), Gholston (OSU), and White (MSU).

I think it's just a tad too early to conclusively name the top 4 2010 prospects.

[spartaspartan]

why are we still talking about his kid.

I don't give a flying **** about him or his recruitment anymore

[JBSpartan4life]

Originally Posted by JohnSpringer

Donovan Warren was a top 25 player in the country I would say he qualifies but you say he doesn't. Just proves to me you don't know anything.

it's called citing your opinion, you dont like it too bad. You're the wolvie reading a spartan message board.

I think donovan warren is a fine player and could be all first team big 10 before it's all over. But rojo and perry where just freakish talents that got away.

Besides I said name three and you only managed the one that I mentioned.

[JBSpartan4life]

Originally Posted by stanton for heisman

2007 - Rivals 5 stars Mallet and Warren
2006- Rivals 5 star Schilling

Also, Campbell is still committed to UM and will sign with them (look at Brandon Graham's recruitment as an example).

How did UM's recruiting class end up last year??? Doesn't appear they need much luck to me.

Also, UM is sitting strong with several of the top 2010 prospects (Bolden, Jackson, Mathias).

you're still counting Mallet? Schilling was uofm's worse linemen last year. Warren played OK but none of them posses the talent of Nick Perry and Ron Johnson. Try being objective and watching the kids play not just relying on rivals and scout.

Perry and Rojo are freaks, clearly warren,schilling and mallet where good prospects but not sure fire nfl talents like perry&rojo

You want to bet on that will campbell prediction?

last years class was by and large Llyod Carr's class, dick-rod just did a good job of holding on to them and snaking a few in the end.

I've heard that last line a hundred times with the likes of rojo,perry, dionte allen etc etc.

Mathias (Zack) is an 09 recruit and likely a 3 star. Bolden (qb from olsm) isn't a heavy uofm lean. UofM is heavilly recruiting the qb from ecorse but he's in Love with OSU.

UofM will get jackson (fred Jacksons son)

msu already has offers out and is in great shape with 2 of next years top four in bullough (LB) and White (RB)

[JBSpartan4life]

Originally Posted by Big M

I think it's just a tad too early to conclusively name the top 4 2010 prospects.

I'd bet the house he's right though.

better get the snake oil and go down to florida.

[GoBlueMW]

so many errors I don't know where to start. couple those errors with your dramatic attempt to spin every situation in a way which correlates negatively to UM and it is boarderline unreadable.

1. your assessment of d. warren is laughable. I am not sure what justification you have for saying is not of the same calaber as some of the names you mentioned but the facts, as well as common sense prevail, he was a 5 star prospect from cali who was a freshman all american.

2. as far as your assertion that our team has been built soley on in state talent let me further correct you. first, breaston was from PA, not MI. Let us further look at the out of state talent which has actually dominated our PT. Chad Henne, Mike Hart, Mario Manningham, Adrian Arrington, Alan Branch, Marlin Jackson, Leon Hall, Jason Avant, Prescott Burgess.

Now let us look at the out of state recruits from the last 3 seasons: 2006, 2007, 2008.

2006: schilling, boren, slocum, moutan are all 5* out of staters. brown, minor, s. brown, and mathews are all 4* out of staters.

2007: warren and mallet both 5* out of staters. many 4* out of staters.

2008: nearly the entire recruiting class is out of state including numerous prospects who could have played at any school in the nation. cissoko, brandon smith, mcguffie, stonum, fitzgerald, dan o neil, wermers, mealer...and only o'neil is instate.

[GoBlueMW]

i can't wait to be soooooo good at football. mich is going to dominate. we have all the talent coming in and a coach who can utilize it. the rest of the big ten outside of osu is a joke. i'm sorry boys but we are going to be so damn good and sooner rather than later. you can all go nuts when we go 9-4 this year but after that it will be smooth sailing. during that time i'm sure coach d will secure some outstanding alamo bowl appearances, a proud day for any spartan.

[JBSpartan4life]

Originally Posted by GoBlueMW

so many errors I don't know where to start. couple those errors with your dramatic attempt to spin every situation in a way which correlates negatively to UM and it is boarderline unreadable.

1. your assessment of d. warren is laughable. I am not sure what justification you have for saying is not of the same calaber as some of the names you mentioned but the facts, as well as common sense prevail, he was a 5 star prospect from cali who was a freshman all american.

2. as far as your assertion that our team has been built soley on in state talent let me further correct you. first, breaston was from PA, not MI. Let us further look at the out of state talent which has actually dominated our PT. Chad Henne, Mike Hart, Mario Manningham, Adrian Arrington, Alan Branch, Marlin Jackson, Leon Hall, Jason Avant, Prescott Burgess.

Now let us look at the out of state recruits from the last 3 seasons: 2006, 2007, 2008.

2006: schilling, boren, slocum, moutan are all 5* out of staters. brown, minor, s. brown, and mathews are all 4* out of staters.

2007: warren and mallet both 5* out of staters. many 4* out of staters.

2008: nearly the entire recruiting class is out of state including numerous prospects who could have played at any school in the nation. cissoko, brandon smith, mcguffie, stonum, fitzgerald, dan o neil, wermers, mealer...and only o'neil is instate.

You think my post is ridiculous why the hell are you still boasting about Boren,slocum and Mallet

Never did I say Donovan Warren wasn't a good player, I'm just of the opinion that he's not on the same level as rojo and perry. Disagree all you want.

Did I deny UofM's national apeal and say they haven't gotten any quality prospects outside of michigan? NO.

I just said Michigan has not landed three players of the quality of a ron johnson or nick perry over the past 3 recruiting seasons.

you can continue to argue this if you want but both rojo and perry will be playing at a top 5 program next season. Both where also life long uofm fans and considered locks at one point.

Last year Martin,O'Neil,Cissoko,Khoury and demens where Michigans only in-stater's but they where also 5 of michigans better recruits. (not discriminating based on star rankings)

your second assertion of what I said is completely wrong, never did I say michigans teams where built solely around in-state talent, rather that I fealt the foundation of michigans better teams over the years have been based around their ability to keep all the top michigan prospects home and away from msu.

[JBSpartan4life]

Originally Posted by GoBlueMW

i can't wait to be soooooo good at football. mich is going to dominate. we have all the talent coming in and a coach who can utilize it. the rest of the big ten outside of osu is a joke. i'm sorry boys but we are going to be so damn good and sooner rather than later. you can all go nuts when we go 9-4 this year but after that it will be smooth sailing. during that time i'm sure coach d will secure some outstanding alamo bowl appearances, a proud day for any spartan.

I cant wait to revisit this post 6 months from now.

[goState18]

Originally Posted by GoBlueMW

so many errors I don't know where to start. couple those errors with your dramatic attempt to spin every situation in a way which correlates negatively to UM and it is boarderline unreadable.

1. your assessment of d. warren is laughable. I am not sure what justification you have for saying is not of the same calaber as some of the names you mentioned but the facts, as well as common sense prevail, he was a 5 star prospect from cali who was a freshman all american.

2. as far as your assertion that our team has been built soley on in state talent let me further correct you. first, breaston was from PA, not MI. Let us further look at the out of state talent which has actually dominated our PT. Chad Henne, Mike Hart, Mario Manningham, Adrian Arrington, Alan Branch, Marlin Jackson, Leon Hall, Jason Avant, Prescott Burgess.

Now let us look at the out of state recruits from the last 3 seasons: 2006, 2007, 2008.

2006: schilling, boren, slocum, moutan are all 5* out of staters. brown, minor, s. brown, and mathews are all 4* out of staters.

2007: warren and mallet both 5* out of staters. many 4* out of staters.

2008: nearly the entire recruiting class is out of state including numerous prospects who could have played at any school in the nation. cissoko, brandon smith, mcguffie, stonum, fitzgerald, dan o neil, wermers, mealer...and only o'neil is instate.

Uhhh
Cissiko was in state,
Boren and Mallet transfered.

[Vince56]

Originally Posted by Big M

If you really want to keep saying that because RR has lost out on Baker and Norman (though that's kind of unfair given the fact that offers hadn't been given to them when they committed to MSU).

You make a lot of good points, but it's a given U-M would have gotten around to offering Baker. Baker had been on unofficial visits to U-M and when you are considered a top 50 player, I don't see how you can say Michigan wasn't going to offer.

I can't speak to Caper's recruitment.

[Ron_in_ATL]

What happend if he signs with UM????

[goState18]

I don't think anyone wants USC to develop a niche in Michigan. At least with Michigan taking a few kids, that's nothing out of the ordinary, win or lose, Michigan will have a presence in their own state, if another school starts stealing our talent, that's bad.

[AASpartan]

Originally Posted by goState18

Uhhh
Cissiko was in state,
Boren and Mallet transfered.

And Slocum was not a 5 star. He was a 4 star prep schooler.

[DrTre11]

Can we be done with Michigan...PLEASE? The great talents we get....UM didn't want them. Okay, been there. They wouldn't have offered a Top 50 rb with 4.3 speed, gotcha.

As far as the past, who cares? Why are we wasting time talking about past UM talents? The Michigan fans that are here are either citing the past because they are worried about the future, or they are trying to convince themselves and us that MSU isn't making a major move right now.

I'm over it.

[JohnSpringer]

Originally Posted by DrTre11

Can we be done with Michigan...PLEASE? The great talents we get....UM didn't want them. Okay, been there. They wouldn't have offered a Top 50 rb with 4.3 speed, gotcha.

As far as the past, who cares? Why are we wasting time talking about past UM talents? The Michigan fans that are here are either citing the past because they are worried about the future, or they are trying to convince themselves and us that MSU isn't making a major move right now.

I'm over it.

You're talking about Michigan in your post.

[Big M]

Originally Posted by DrTre11

Can we be done with Michigan...PLEASE? The great talents we get....UM didn't want them. Okay, been there. They wouldn't have offered a Top 50 rb with 4.3 speed, gotcha.

As far as the past, who cares? Why are we wasting time talking about past UM talents? The Michigan fans that are here are either citing the past because they are worried about the future, or they are trying to convince themselves and us that MSU isn't making a major move right now.

I'm over it.

You have plenty of UM related posts in your history, and I'm sure you'll make more soon.