William Campbell going to visit...

[Golfnut]

LSU and Miami. No mention of MSU, but he really isn't committed to UM anymore.

[StatsETC]

Unlock the thread AA-he's back on the market!

[Golfnut]

Originally Posted by StatsETC

Unlock the thread AA-he's back on the market!

there is no write-up of this news but Campbell stated it in one of those Rivals AMP videos.

[Parrot Head]

he said UM is still on top

[StatsETC]

Originally Posted by Golfnut

there is no write-up of this news but Campbell stated it in one of those Rivals AMP videos.

Thanks for the info. I wondered where it came from, so I did some checking on GBW and didn't see any mention of it. Makes sense that it came from Rivals.

[spartaspartan]

There is a thread on this kid on the 1st page.

Holy crap it ain't that hard

[StatsETC]

Originally Posted by spartaspartan

There is a thread on this kid on the 1st page.

Holy crap it ain't that hard

The thread is locked.

[Spartan Pride]

Unless he comes here, why should I care? It would be nice to not have to play against him, cause most feel he is a damn good football player.

But having a new thread for this =

[spartaspartan]

Originally Posted by StatsETC

The thread is locked.

alright, it is probably locked for a reason.

don't post on this kid, he ain't coming to msu

[Jason Grilli's Sofa]

He's pulling the classic vacation scam from what I've heard. I can't remember if he said it or his teammates or something, but he's never traveled before and wants to see different places. Expect an 'SC visit as well.

[JBSpartan4life]

Originally Posted by Jason Grilli's Sofa

He's pulling the classic vacation scam from what I've heard. I can't remember if he said it or his teammates or something, but he's never traveled before and wants to see different places. Expect an 'SC visit as well.

good luck keeping him away from southern cal after he visits.

[Spartan_MD]

Granted I don't think he's going to MSU, but I think the issue is the trend for 5 star recruits from Michigan NOT staying in state. Rojo, Barksdale....and possibly this guy.

The door is open for MSU to become even more of a player if UM national prominence as a football power declines.

[Big M]

Originally Posted by Spartan_MD

Granted I don't think he's going to MSU, but I think the issue is the trend for 5 star recruits from Michigan NOT staying in state. Rojo, Barksdale....and possibly this guy.

The door is open for MSU to become even more of a player if UM national prominence as a football power declines.

Let's say this trend is true...how is that good news for MSU? I'd humbly argue that MSU needs the top in-state kids more than UM does given the fact that UM can nationally recruit to a much greater degree than MSU.

Note- I'm not saying its not a problem for UM because it is..but it looks like a big problem for both schools, not just UM.

[DrTre11]

Originally Posted by Big M

Let's say this trend is true...how is that good news for MSU? I'd humbly argue that MSU needs the top in-state kids more than UM does given the fact that UM can nationally recruit to a much greater degree than MSU.

Note- I'm not saying its not a problem for UM because it is..but it looks like a big problem for both schools, not just UM.

It isn't a problem for MSU because Dantonio proved in his second year now that he can pull in the top in-state talent. Just because Campbell is usually listed at #1 in the state doesn't take away from Baker/Norman/etc. These guys are also premium talent.

How is this good news for MSU: A conference foe and in-state rival is losing their best commitment...how is that not good news? We'd play against him, now we might not...sounds good to me.

As far as it not being an issue because UM can recruit nationally, you MUST dominate your state in recruiting. You could write a book about the importance. There are so many reasons and everyone knows it is important from media, to talent level, etc. etc. If UM is okay with giving up in-state talent because they are national, their fall is going to happen quicker than I thought.

[Big M]

Originally Posted by DrTre11

It isn't a problem for MSU because Dantonio proved in his second year now that he can pull in the top in-state talent. Just because Campbell is usually listed at #1 in the state doesn't take away from Baker/Norman/etc. These guys are also premium talent.

How is this good news for MSU: A conference foe and in-state rival is losing their best commitment...how is that not good news? We'd play against him, now we might not...sounds good to me.

As far as it not being an issue because UM can recruit nationally, you MUST dominate your state in recruiting. You could write a book about the importance. There are so many reasons and everyone knows it is important from media, to talent level, etc. etc. If UM is okay with giving up in-state talent because they are national, their fall is going to happen quicker than I thought.

A few points

1- First off, Campbell hasn't been lost yet, so this is all premature.

2- My point was that IN GENERAL it is not good for either school to lose the top talent to outside schools. It had nothing to do with UM losing Campbell- no **** that would be good news for MSU.

3- Yes, UM must do well in-state recruiting. But you guys keep overstating Michigan's importance to UM recruiting. I've made countless posts on the subject- UM usually gets 4-5 kids a year from UM. Yes, they are usually talented but the notion that the state of Michigan to UM is analogous to OSU/Ohio or PSU/PA or Florida with FSU/FU/Miami is just false. It just is. Now, the last two years Michigan has had more talent than usual, this is true, but traditionally, Michigan just does not put out the numbers to support getting the bulk of the class from the state.

If you really want to keep saying that because RR has lost out on Baker and Norman (though that's kind of unfair given the fact that offers hadn't been given to them when they committed to MSU), UM's recruiting is going downhill, I respectfully submit you are not seeing the bigger picture. RR's recruiting is going as well as anyone's in the country sans OSU. 3 top 50 players, 4 in the top 70, in May (acknowledging that a few may drop). You think that is suddenly not impressive because only one of them is from Michigan? Does Newsome not count because he's from Virginia? Does Turner not count because he's from Ohio? McNeal isn't as good as Spencer because he's not from Michigan?

[double0sparty]

Originally Posted by Big M

A few points


3- Yes, UM must do well in-state recruiting. But you guys keep overstating Michigan's importance to UM recruiting. I've made countless posts on the subject- UM usually gets 4-5 kids a year from UM. Yes, they are usually talented but the notion that the state of Michigan to UM is analogous to OSU/Ohio or PSU/PA or Florida with FSU/FU/Miami is just false. It just is. Now, the last two years Michigan has had more talent than usual, this is true, but traditionally, Michigan just does not put out the numbers to support getting the bulk of the class from the state.

I've never understood why people don't get this either. Coach D draws close to his entire hand from the state of Michigan, while UM draws a card or two in its hand from Michigan. Bad recruiting years in Michigan adversely impact MSU more than UM. Hopefully the trend of MSU needing Michigan and UM having Michigan contribute will change over time, at least from MSU's standpoitn, but Coach D is starting with the core state first. Once a strong presence is developed in Michigan and we develop a better national brand name with HS kids, he'll work to get more ties elsewhere.

[Spartan_MD]

Originally Posted by Big M

Let's say this trend is true...how is that good news for MSU? I'd humbly argue that MSU needs the top in-state kids more than UM does given the fact that UM can nationally recruit to a much greater degree than MSU.

Note- I'm not saying its not a problem for UM because it is..but it looks like a big problem for both schools, not just UM.

BigM-

agree with you on both points. MSU needs the TJ Ducketts/Charles Rogers while UM can pull that kind of talent from other states.

[arfabe16]

Ok.

He's still committed to scUM. One could say he's actively looking, but scUM is at the top of his list.

Most of the MSU coaching staff truly, honestly believes (not just hopeful thinking) that he will NOT end up at scUM, but they also admit that there is "no way in hell" (direct quote) he will end up at MSU.

We have cooled off from his recruitment because, well, he showed little interest.

[GRR Spartan]

All these player are leaving the Big Ten for greener pastures. (dead president green).

U$C and $EC. I just can't figure out why they would go to those kinds of $chool$.

[DrTre11]

Big M, I tend to agree with you on most of your points. However, I think UM is in for a bad year coming up. This will follow some of the negative pub from App. State, etc. The following year isn't guaranteed to be great either. Probably more likely a 7 win type of season. I think RR's third season will be when he really puts together a team. However, in that time span, Michigan will lose a little luster. In addition, those less intelligent will ask if Michigan is falling like Nebraska did when their leader left. That might hurt that national recruiting.

This is all speculation. But in my opinion, you need to lay the foundation on Michigan kids and surround them with national talent when the grass is green. When times get a little rough, you need to be able to bank on that instate talent to back you. I'm not going Spartan on ya and predicting failure and all that and pouring green kool-aid. I just think UM is headed down a road (going mostly all national) that isn't one they should be headed down.

[Big M]

Originally Posted by DrTre11

Big M, I tend to agree with you on most of your points. However, I think UM is in for a bad year coming up. This will follow some of the negative pub from App. State, etc. The following year isn't guaranteed to be great either. Probably more likely a 7 win type of season. I think RR's third season will be when he really puts together a team. However, in that time span, Michigan will lose a little luster. In addition, those less intelligent will ask if Michigan is falling like Nebraska did when their leader left. That might hurt that national recruiting.

This is all speculation. But in my opinion, you need to lay the foundation on Michigan kids and surround them with national talent when the grass is green. When times get a little rough, you need to be able to bank on that instate talent to back you. I'm not going Spartan on ya and predicting failure and all that and pouring green kool-aid. I just think UM is headed down a road (going mostly all national) that isn't one they should be headed down.

If RR is going more national than usual then I might somewhat agree with you..but right now I think it is way way too early to conclude that he is.

[GRR Spartan]

rr is going national because for the first time in his career he has the school name recognition to do so. He came in from the Big East and has no pre-exisitng loyalty to the traditional Big Ten geography.
Can't blame him.

[Big M]

Originally Posted by GRR Spartan

rr is going national because for the first time in his career he has the school name recognition to do so. He came in from the Big East and has no pre-exisitng loyalty to the traditional Big Ten geography.
Can't blame him.

Out of UM's 8 recruits, 2 are from Michigan, 3 are from Ohio, and 1 is from Minnesota.

[Jason Grilli's Sofa]

Originally Posted by JBSpartan4life

good luck keeping him away from southern cal after he visits.

I agree. I have a feeling this will be RoJo part 3. Him and Perry will host him on his visit and as they say, the rest is hi$tory.