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Rivals250 Predictions
I think the rivals 250 comes out at noon tomorrow. And the new 3 stars come out the following day.
We already know Baker, Maxwell and Norman are 4 stars
What are your predictions as to what stars our commits will be?
Caper-4 star
Treadwell-4 star
Spencer- 4 star
White- (high) 3 star-chance at 4. tomorrow should be interesting
Thoughts?
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06-09-2008, 11:35 PM
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I think they will be the same.
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06-09-2008, 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Parrot Head
I think the rivals 250 comes out at noon tomorrow. And the new 3 stars come out the following day.
We already know Baker, Maxwell and Norman are 4 stars
What are your predictions as to what stars our commits will be?
Caper-4 star
Treadwell-4 star
Spencer- 4 star
White- (high) 3 star-chance at 3. tomorrow should be interesting
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I think you hit them on the head. I see them working out the way you have them listed.
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06-09-2008, 11:43 PM
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I think they will be the same.
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Treadwell or Spencer, might drop out of the rivals250. But they will still be 4 stars
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06-10-2008, 11:09 AM
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I think Caper and Spencer could drop out. No real reason, just a guess.
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06-10-2008, 11:33 AM
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I think Caper and Spencer could drop out. No real reason, just a guess.
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Caper wont drop out of the 250. Spencer might....
i think at least one of our guys will pull a Hoover this summer..... 
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06-10-2008, 11:57 AM
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Just as I thought, Maxwell is in
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Caper and Spencer drop out.............along with Dion Sims
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06-10-2008, 12:05 PM
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i think at least one of our guys will pull a Hoover this summer.....
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Seems possible given how 3 of the commits are right on the edge between 3 and 4 star status.
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06-10-2008, 12:09 PM
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How many non-Rivals250 players end up with 4 stars? I'm just curious about Caper, and particularly Spencer's odds of staying at that spot and White's chances of getting in.
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06-10-2008, 12:10 PM
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How many non-Rivals250 players end up with 4 stars? I'm just curious about Caper, and particularly Spencer's odds of staying at that spot and White's chances of getting in.
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I don't know about this year, but I think last year it was like 10-15.
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06-10-2008, 12:14 PM
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I don't know about this year, but I think last year it was like 10-15.
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Yeah, then I would bet Caper and Spencer end up as three stars. They've both stated they won't be attending any camps but MSU's this summer.
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06-10-2008, 01:06 PM
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I don't know about this year, but I think last year it was like 10-15.
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there have been as many as 50 4 stars outside the 250. Not counting preps or juco's
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06-10-2008, 01:06 PM
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Yeah, then I would bet Caper and Spencer end up as three stars. They've both stated they won't be attending any camps but MSU's this summer. |
they should both keep their 4 stars
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06-10-2008, 01:08 PM
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I don't know about this year, but I think last year it was like 10-15.
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If that is the case, wow, Um sure cleaned up its share of 4 stars last year outside the top 250 with five. And from a quick count the state of florida had 12.
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06-10-2008, 01:09 PM
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If that is the case, wow, Um sure cleaned up its share of 4 stars last year outside the top 250 with five. And from a quick count the state of florida had 12.
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Really? Maybe it was the year before that then..yeah, I think it was because I remember Martell Webb having 4 stars and being one of only like 15 players to get 4 stars without being in the top 250.
My bad
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06-10-2008, 01:14 PM
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If that is the case, wow, Um sure cleaned up its share of 4 stars last year outside the top 250 with five. And from a quick count the state of florida had 12.
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minny and OSU signed a couple 4 stars out-side the 250 as well.
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06-10-2008, 01:16 PM
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(exhales a weary breath) I will look into it
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06-10-2008, 01:25 PM
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(exhales a weary breath) I will look into it
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4* are considered "Among the top 300 prospects in the nation" by rivals
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06-10-2008, 01:28 PM
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Really? Maybe it was the year before that then..yeah, I think it was because I remember Martell Webb having 4 stars and being one of only like 15 players to get 4 stars without being in the top 250.
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there's usually atleast 2 dozen 4 star (non-juco/prep school) players outside the 250 every year.
this is part of why I was so pissed about what happened to hoover last year. If rivals doesn't think a kids top 250 that's their discretion but to me if they ever thought enough of that player to rank him high in the 100 or 250 there's no reason to yank a star unless that particular players isn't going to qualify.
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06-10-2008, 01:29 PM
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Just for clarification
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there's usually atleast 2 dozen 4 star (non-juco/prep school) players outside the 250 every year.
this is part of why I was so pissed about what happened to hoover last year. If rivals doesn't think a kids top 250 that's their discretion but to me if they ever thought enough of that player to rank him high in the 100 or 250 there's no reason to yank a star unless that particular players isn't going to qualify.
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I disagree, at least if you're talking about the first ranking, which are done so early that I think its completely valid to drop a guy because often times the early rankings aren't complete or exhaustive anyways.
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06-10-2008, 01:40 PM
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I disagree, at least if you're talking about the first ranking, which are done so early that I think its completely valid to drop a guy because often times the early rankings aren't complete or exhaustive anyways.
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Even so, it's strange that Caper, who was a Rivals 100 member has completely free-fallen out of the rankings. . . 
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