'09 OH OL/DE/TE Derek Hoebing (MSU Verbal)

[05steve10]

all i can say is that i am pretty impressed with his disengaging skills and his blocking ability. he has great size and good speed. but i would like to see some film of him catching the ball in traffic and what he does after the catch.

i really like him as a TE, run stopping DE, and an OT though

[spewing oil]

Before participating in Michigan State's July football camp on Saturday, Vermilion(OH)tight end Derek Hoebing thought he wasgoing to Maryland. But those plans changed when Mark Dantonio called Hoebing on Sunday

Ok this is what gets me excited. usually says go home talk it over make sure it's the right thing to do; we will get it done down the road when you know you are ready. But he let this guy commit on the spot pretty much. To me that me means we really want him and don't want him to slip away.

[WCS]

This kid should be a good program player. Seems like a very good fit.

[nomaduper]

I am starting to see a good trend here, Dantonio is getting kids who are not only good physical specimens, but have good grade point averages, speed and very unlikely to end up in jail.

[SpartanRocky]

Originally Posted by nomaduper

I am starting to see a good trend here, Dantonio is getting kids who are not only good physical specimens, but have good grade point averages, speed and very unlikely to end up in jail.

While I agree with this for the most part, is anyone else thinking that a kid that runs a 4.9 40 is not that fast? He looks like a great blocker, etc. but speed isn't something I'd give this guy.

That aside, anyone we offer in July = very solid prospect. Look at Fowler, he'll be a high 3* or 4* by the time it's all done. If Dantonio sees something he likes, then it's fine by me.

[m_sell31]

Originally Posted by SpartanRocky

While I agree with this for the most part, is anyone else thinking that a kid that runs a 4.9 40 is not that fast? He looks like a great blocker, etc. but speed isn't something I'd give this guy.

That aside, anyone we offer in July = very solid prospect. Look at Fowler, he'll be a high 3* or 4* by the time it's all done. If Dantonio sees something he likes, then it's fine by me.

I love that we get a few 4* prospects and now everyone thinks all our prospects are magically going to turn into 4* prospects. I agree if he has a good senior year 3* is not out of the question but 4* is pretty unlikely for Fowler. Same for Hoebing.

[SpartanGA]

Originally Posted by SpartanRocky

While I agree with this for the most part, is anyone else thinking that a kid that runs a 4.9 40 is not that fast? He looks like a great blocker, etc. but speed isn't something I'd give this guy.

That aside, anyone we offer in July = very solid prospect. Look at Fowler, he'll be a high 3* or 4* by the time it's all done. If Dantonio sees something he likes, then it's fine by me.

I have seen elsewhere that he ran a 4.7 forty at camp.

[spartaspartan]

First, I'm not trying to bash our newest recruit.

I'd call him a plan B guy though, I know its early (July) but I'd say our plan A guys were Fragel (OSU), Sims (who doesn't seem to know what sport he wants to play), and Hageman (who seems to have soured on us)

Obviously, I didn't see him at camp, but those 3 guys were the ones who were talked about 3 months ago, so I'd say they were the plan A guys. That said, he sounds like a solid recruit and his versatility is exactly what MD wants

Solid get

[Spartan_MD]

Originally Posted by spartans17

You're calling Vushaj a "stud" when he has 2 stars (which is what you care about) and has a less impressive offer sheet than this guy?

Not very bright are you.

Great Yoda reference....

Let the flow!

Welcome!

[SpartanRocky]

Originally Posted by m_sell31

I love that we get a few 4* prospects and now everyone thinks all our prospects are magically going to turn into 4* prospects. I agree if he has a good senior year 3* is not out of the question but 4* is pretty unlikely for Fowler. Same for Hoebing.

Fowler is in a situation similar to Martin last year. Everyone that saw martin's film said he'd be stud, he got offers from Illinois and MSU based on film his HS coach put together on a laptop at home. It's not a stretch to say that he'll jump up once his stuff gets around more.

This already happened with Blake Treadwell, people were on here dogging him, that he was only offered a schollie because he was a coaches son. . . .then Rivals re-evaluates and he's the #2 Center in the country. Don't be suprised if some of our guys get a nice bump next time around, Pat White was on the cusp of being a 4* as well and Micajeh Reynolds was mentioned as one of the fastest rising prospects at his position (By Rivals, NOT Spartan Mag)

Seriously man, it's not a stretch to see both these guys get into the solid 3* range (5.6 or so) if not higher, MD doesn't take "filler" guys.

[Old Hort]

Originally Posted by SpartanRocky

Fowler is in a situation similar to Martin last year. Everyone that saw martin's film said he'd be stud, he got offers from Illinois and MSU based on film his HS coach put together on a laptop at home. It's not a stretch to say that he'll jump up once his stuff gets around more.

This already happened with Blake Treadwell, people were on here dogging him, that he was only offered a schollie because he was a coaches son. . . .then Rivals re-evaluates and he's the #2 Center in the country. Don't be suprised if some of our guys get a nice bump next time around, Pat White was on the cusp of being a 4* as well and Micajeh Reynolds was mentioned as one of the fastest rising prospects at his position (By Rivals, NOT Spartan Mag)

Seriously man, it's not a stretch to see both these guys get into the solid 3* range (5.6 or so) if not higher, MD doesn't take "filler" guys.

Don't forget about DJ Grant from Texas last year also...the kid was NR, then MSU offered. Soon, Oklahoma and Texas offered (in like December). Rivals reevaluates, and he is a 4 star.

The thing with Fowler that may keep him as a low three star is that he committed so soon, and hence, did not get any more offers

[Spartan Pride]

Originally Posted by m_sell31

I love that we get a few 4* prospects and now everyone thinks all our prospects are magically going to turn into 4* prospects. I agree if he has a good senior year 3* is not out of the question but 4* is pretty unlikely for Fowler. Same for Hoebing.

I'd bet you 5 bazillion dollars that Hoebing and Fowler both end up atleast 3*'s, regardless of how good their senior years are.

[SpartanRocky]

Originally Posted by SpartanGA

I have seen elsewhere that he ran a 4.7 forty at camp.

It's really hilarious, but that 2 tenths of a second makes me feel like we just landed a really solid player. At 6'6 250, 4.9 sounds like he'll be a nice prospect at OT. At 6'6 250, 4.7 sounds like an impact TE or good DE.

Either way, sounds like a very solid get. Every single kid in this class seems like they could end up starting at some point. Think about that for a second

[newlander]

looks like a very solid blocking TE to me. 2 star, 3 star, who cares? The kid is deemed worthy of a scholly by , Groh @ VA and Friedgen @ Maryland. Tells me all I need to know!

[spartaspartan]

Originally Posted by Old Hort

Don't forget about DJ Grant from Texas last year also...the kid was NR, then MSU offered. Soon, Oklahoma and Texas offered (in like December). Rivals reevaluates, and he is a 4 star.

The thing with Fowler that may keep him as a low three star is that he committed so soon, and hence, did not get any more offers

If I remember correctly DJ was a low 3* than blew up and went on the 250 and got the Texas offer.

Rare, rare exception................but proves it can happen and the Texas offer helped. We said the same about Woods when he commited and he never reached 4* and just got his 3rd star

Like I said, Fowler could be a high 3* if he blows up this fall and Hoebing could possibly be the same, I'd say there is a 2% chance that either make a 4* and a 70% chance that the both make a 3*

[m_sell31]

Originally Posted by spartaspartan

If I remember correctly DJ was a low 3* than blew up and went on the 250 and got the Texas offer.

Rare, rare exception................but proves it can happen and the Texas offer helped. We said the same about Woods when he commited and he never reached 4* and just got his 3rd star

Like I said, Fowler could be a high 3* if he blows up this fall and Hoebing could possibly be the same, I'd say there is a 2% chance that either make a 4* and a 70% chance that the both make a 3*

Exactly what i was trying to say. It seems like all of a sudden everyone here went from "thats MAC level talent" to "all our 2* will be 4* by the end of the year and our 4* should all be 5*." People just seem to be going a little overboard. Optimism is good but lets not sound like crazy dillusional fans either.

[papaburg88]

I hadnt seen a pic of this guy until just now, for some reason I just assumed it was the guy behind MD in the pic on spartanmag...the one whos arms looked like they were gonna explode they were so ripped, haha....

[Nals]

Originally Posted by SpartanRocky

It's really hilarious, but that 2 tenths of a second makes me feel like we just landed a really solid player. At 6'6 250, 4.9 sounds like he'll be a nice prospect at OT. At 6'6 250, 4.7 sounds like an impact TE or good DE.

Either way, sounds like a very solid get. Every single kid in this class seems like they could end up starting at some point. Think about that for a second

2 tenths of a second is a long time in speed. On defense it's easy to see, that speed shows whether the guy makes the tackle, or whether the running back scampers into the endzone. On offense, its the difference between the TE getting separation or being easily covered. That said, a first step is so much more important (quickness), but the 40 is the true test of how fast a player is.

[green turkey]

Originally Posted by spartaspartan

Like I said, Fowler could be a high 3* if he blows up this fall and Hoebing could possibly be the same, I'd say there is a 2% chance that either make a 4* and a 70% chance that the both make a 3*

I think your calculations may be a little off. I've got it at 1.5% that either make a 4* and 68% chance that both make a 3*. By the way, the chances that both make a 4* appear to be 0.44%. The chance that one but not both make a 3* is 26%. The chance that one is a 2* and the other a 4* is . . . well, I'm still working on that. But there is some chance of it happening.

[dcdsguy]

Originally Posted by spartaspartan

First, I'm not trying to bash our newest recruit.

I'd call him a plan B guy though, I know its early (July) but I'd say our plan A guys were Fragel (OSU), Sims (who doesn't seem to know what sport he wants to play), and Hageman (who seems to have soured on us)

Obviously, I didn't see him at camp, but those 3 guys were the ones who were talked about 3 months ago, so I'd say they were the plan A guys. That said, he sounds like a solid recruit and his versatility is exactly what MD wants

Solid get

We were recruiting Fragel as a future OT. Think Dan France.

[burnsmi4]

After reading some of the reports from various sites such as ESPN and other recruiting networks, I think he could be a sleeper after a couple of years. They say he lacks the intensity right now and i have no question he will be fired up by Coach D and staff. He also stated that his high school coaches are in good relations with our coaching staff and it was a factor in his decision. Get him in the weight room and with our staff and i can see him contributing definantly in his junior season

[spartaspartan]

Originally Posted by dcdsguy

We were recruiting Fragel as a future OT. Think Dan France.

have you learned nothing by now.................multiple position athletes

[Old Hort]

Originally Posted by spartaspartan

have you learned nothing by now.................multiple position athletes

Right on Sparta....seems like the only guys we are sure on position wise is Maxwell, the RBs, Norman, Klatt and Reynolds. Everyone else, though it looks likely that some are slotted certain positions, could play many different positions.