'10 IN WR Dyjuan Lewis (MSU Offer)

[ninowesco]

we probably pulled our offer cause we don't need any more receivers

[Forza]

Originally Posted by ninowesco

we probably pulled our offer cause we don't need any more receivers

Yeah.....

[Old Hort]

Originally Posted by SpartyOnSpartyUp

This is not good.

Why not good? We are most likely done at receiver for this year with Mumphery's commitment. We only have about 5 or 6 spots left for this year, and we need other positions much more than WR.

[SpartanGA]

Originally Posted by ninowesco

we probably pulled our offer cause we don't need any more receivers

Lets see if Torian Richardson cancels his official for the PSU game.

[Artie Loves Pancakes]

Originally Posted by Old Hort

Why not good? We are most likely done at receiver for this year with Mumphery's commitment. We only have about 5 or 6 spots left for this year, and we need other positions much more than WR.

It's not good because Lewis is a beast and by all accounts would be the best WR in our class. Believe me, Dantonio would take this kid in a heartbeat regardless of how many WR's we have.

That said if we get DeAnthony Arnett next year I'll be thrilled. But I've felt like he's a UMmer from day 1.

[Koolaidguy]

Originally Posted by SpartyOnSpartyUp

It's not good because Lewis is a beast and by all accounts would be the best WR in our class. Believe me, Dantonio would take this kid in a heartbeat regardless of how many WR's we have.

That said if we get DeAnthony Arnett next year I'll be thrilled. But I've felt like he's a UMmer from day 1.

Why?

[ninowesco]

yea, why?

we hold our own in Saginaw.

Send JRich up there to talk to the kid.

[Old Hort]

Originally Posted by SpartyOnSpartyUp

It's not good because Lewis is a beast and by all accounts would be the best WR in our class. Believe me, Dantonio would take this kid in a heartbeat regardless of how many WR's we have.

That said if we get DeAnthony Arnett next year I'll be thrilled. But I've felt like he's a UMmer from day 1.

By all accounts? You mean Rivals and Scout? I believe they also said Fred Smith would by all accounts be the best WR we got in 2008. Obviously much better than Myles White and Key Martin who were two stars, and unranked respectively. Come on. Remember Antonio Jeremiah? A four star DT, as compared to two stars like Oren Wilson and Jerel Worthy?

Also, we may or may not take another WR, based upon need. However, MD and company are not going to take guys if those guys take the place of more immediate needs. If you don't need another WR, but you need a DT, and a four star WR wants to commit, but will take the place of a three star DT, who do you think MD will take?

[Artie Loves Pancakes]

Originally Posted by Koolaidguy

Why?

Nothing more than a gut feeling. Michigan was on him early, and he's visited them a few times already. But it's just a gut feeling.

[Artie Loves Pancakes]

Originally Posted by Old Hort

By all accounts? You mean Rivals and Scout? I believe they also said Fred Smith would by all accounts be the best WR we got in 2008. Obviously much better than Myles White and Key Martin who were two stars, and unranked respectively. Come on. Remember Antonio Jeremiah? A four star DT, as compared to two stars like Oren Wilson and Jerel Worthy?

Also, we may or may not take another WR, based upon need. However, MD and company are not going to take guys if those guys take the place of more immediate needs. If you don't need another WR, but you need a DT, and a four star WR wants to commit, but will take the place of a three star DT, who do you think MD will take?

What other accounts are there? But dude, I don't need an internet lesson that not all recruits work out. Wow, I'm shocked. But for every 4-star bust that you list I'll show you 4 and 5-star heisman winners year after year. And Myles White? Really? As an overacheiving 2-star? Has the dude even played one snap in a real game yet? He was recruited as a ploy to get his brother to commit this year but he's nothing more than a glorified track runner. Lewis is not. He's an animal and MSU would be lucky to have him, so if he narrows his list and we aren't on it, it's not good.

[Old Hort]

Originally Posted by SpartyOnSpartyUp

What other accounts are there? But dude, I don't need an internet lesson that not all recruits work out. Wow, I'm shocked. But for every 4-star bust that you list I'll show you 4 and 5-star heisman winners year after year. And Myles White? Really? As an overacheiving 2-star? Has the dude even played one snap in a real game yet? He was recruited as a ploy to get his brother to commit this year but he's nothing more than a glorified track runner. Lewis is not. He's an animal and MSU would be lucky to have him, so if he narrows his list and we aren't on it, it's not good.

Go back and read what I wrote. I use the example of those two stars because I always find it funny when someone who has seen four minutes of high-light films on these kids, see they have four stars next to their name, state that they are an "animal", and MD would take them no matter what, if the kid wanted to come. I have news, MD and other staffs recruit guys that they think are going to be difference makers. Hence, Mumphery, as most likely our last WR recruit, is undoubtedly viewed as a difference maker in the same vein as Lewis, though Rivals and Scout perhaps do not feel that way.

Again, MSU is probably only going to take two WR's this year, and Mumphery and Lippett seem to be the two. MSU has bigger needs than a third WR. So, if he narrows his list, and MSU is not on it, it is fine since we need to fill other positions. We have maybe five more spots to fill, and we still need at least one DT (perhaps two), a DE, a CB, a OLB, a OT, and obviously, the staff is interested in another RB (perhaps because of a future transfer).

Now, to see what it looks like to take too many skill position players for finite roster spots, no matter the team need because guys appear to be "animals", I suggest you take a look at the Detroit Lions (and perhaps the Michigan Wolverines in a couple years with their seeming lack of Defensive recruits.)

[JOHNNYDRAMA08]

Originally Posted by SpartyOnSpartyUp

What other accounts are there? But dude, I don't need an internet lesson that not all recruits work out. Wow, I'm shocked. But for every 4-star bust that you list I'll show you 4 and 5-star heisman winners year after year. And Myles White? Really? As an overacheiving 2-star? Has the dude even played one snap in a real game yet? He was recruited as a ploy to get his brother to commit this year but he's nothing more than a glorified track runner. Lewis is not. He's an animal and MSU would be lucky to have him, so if he narrows his list and we aren't on it, it's not good.

I agree with you about Lewis. I don't care much about the star rankings at all. Just seeing some film, hearing some comparisons to some great players (AJ Green from Georgia), having a legit 40 time and having a very good offer sheet (probably the best indicator for most prospects) tells me he's legit. That's not saying that Mumphery or Lippett won't be as good or better. I think that once Mumphery has a year in MSU's program he coudl become a graet WR. He's a prospect that also has great potential, but will likely need to get used to the speed of the college game. There have been many false reports about where Lewis is in his recruitment. A few months ago there were people stating he had a top two and he dismissed the report.We can only hope that this report is false and that MSU still has a chance to get him. Lewis is one of the prospects that MSU would definitely take in this class.

As far as Arnett, I've heard, mainly from UM fans, that he trains with an ex-UM player. They were also his first offer and have been recruiting for a while, but so has MSU. The team to watch out for in his recruitment is Oklahoma. He stated in an article that he likes them and that if they offer he would be very interested.

[JOHNNYDRAMA08]

Originally Posted by Old Hort

Go back and read what I wrote. I use the example of those two stars because I always find it funny when someone who has seen four minutes of high-light films on these kids, see they have four stars next to their name, state that they are an "animal", and MD would take them no matter what, if the kid wanted to come. I have news, MD and other staffs recruit guys that they think are going to be difference makers. Hence, Mumphery, as most likely our last WR recruit, is undoubtedly viewed as a difference maker in the same vein as Lewis, though Rivals and Scout perhaps do not feel that way.

Again, MSU is probably only going to take two WR's this year, and Mumphery and Lippett seem to be the two. MSU has bigger needs than a third WR. So, if he narrows his list, and MSU is not on it, it is fine since we need to fill other positions. We have maybe five more spots to fill, and we still need at least one DT (perhaps two), a DE, a CB, a OLB, a OT, and obviously, the staff is interested in another RB (perhaps because of a future transfer).

Now, to see what it looks like to take too many skill position players for finite roster spots, no matter the team need because guys appear to be "animals", I suggest you take a look at the Detroit Lions (and perhaps the Michigan Wolverines in a couple years with their seeming lack of Defensive recruits.)

Keyshawn Martin was an under the radar player for most of the year, but was still a 3 star recruit that had another big ten offer and had interest from UM. He still hasn't done too much as a receiver and has dropped a few passes this year. Though I think he'll become a very good WR here.

I think MSU will only take 1 DT this year, after taking 2 last year. They can address this position next year when there is more DT talent in the midwest. MSU is currently loaded at OLB and again can wait for next year where there are some very good prospects at LB in MI and OH. A CB, DE, DT, RB and OT are needs, but MSU still would likely still take Lewis if he would commit here.

[Old Hort]

Originally Posted by JOHNNYDRAMA08

Keyshawn Martin was an under the radar player for most of the year, but was still a 3 star recruit that had another big ten offer and had interest from UM. He still hasn't done too much as a receiver and has dropped a few passes this year. Though I think he'll become a very good WR here.

I think MSU will only take 1 DT this year, after taking 2 last year. They can address this position next year when there is more DT talent in the midwest. MSU is currently loaded at OLB and again can wait for next year where there are some very good prospects at LB in MI and OH. A CB, DE, DT, RB and OT are needs, but MSU still would likely still take Lewis if he would commit here.

How do you know MSU would accept a commitment if Lewis wanted to commit? (Remember last year; Ryan Spiker a pretty highly touted OL from Ohio wanted to commit, and MD and company turned him away. The kid had many BCS offers, and ended up at WVU. Why? No need at the position.) Again, with Lewis, there is a limited space. We are already pushing 85 as it is, if we take 19, and plus, you have DJ Young still off schollie, and Corey Freeman coming in. This, "he is a guy you can't turn down stuff" is odd, and I don't really understand where this thought process comes from....if you accept Lewis as the 21st commit, you now have 86 guys on schollie, and need to get rid of someone. How do you do that?

[Punisher99]

Originally Posted by Old Hort

By all accounts? You mean Rivals and Scout? I believe they also said Fred Smith would by all accounts be the best WR we got in 2008. Obviously much better than Myles White and Key Martin who were two stars, and unranked respectively. Come on. Remember Antonio Jeremiah? A four star DT, as compared to two stars like Oren Wilson and Jerel Worthy?

Also, we may or may not take another WR, based upon need. However, MD and company are not going to take guys if those guys take the place of more immediate needs. If you don't need another WR, but you need a DT, and a four star WR wants to commit, but will take the place of a three star DT, who do you think MD will take?

Key Martin, Oren Wilson, and Jerel Worthy were all three stars.

[JOHNNYDRAMA08]

Originally Posted by Old Hort

How do you know MSU would accept a commitment if Lewis wanted to commit? (Remember last year; Ryan Spiker a pretty highly touted OL from Ohio wanted to commit, and MD and company turned him away. The kid had many BCS offers, and ended up at WVU. Why? No need at the position.) Again, with Lewis, there is a limited space. We are already pushing 85 as it is, if we take 19, and plus, you have DJ Young still off schollie, and Corey Freeman coming in. This, "he is a guy you can't turn down stuff" is odd, and I don't really understand where this thought process comes from....if you accept Lewis as the 21st commit, you now have 86 guys on schollie, and need to get rid of someone. How do you do that?

Well, I said it would be "likely", I didn't guarantee anything. Spiker and Lewis are again, completely different. No need at the position? You don't understand this "a guy you can't turn down stuff"? I don't understand any of these comments.

Spiker an OL, which are harder to project how they will develop compared to skill positions. A position that is important, but they aren't going to score touchdowns or demand a ton of attention from the defense like a RB, QB or WR does. If you have a great WR they likely open up the passing game for other WR's and the run game to an extent. I have never heard of a defensive game plan that revolves around taking an OL out of the game.

You don't take any player if they put you over the scholarship limit. That's not what anyone is saying. We have enough depth at just about every position for the next three years, expcept at CB, also the OL and DT can use some upgrades. To take this team to another level, IMO, you need the playmakers to take you there. We can all agree that currently OSU is the best team in the big ten, they may be taking 3 CB's in this class after taking 3 CB's last year. Or MSU, we have some decent depth at RB, but they have still made Storm Johnson a priority. Why? Because talent wise Storm Johnson could be a big time RB that makes the offense even more dangerous. Do we have enough RB's? Probably. But if you can get players that can contribute early and become great playmakers for your team you take them. The fact that Storm Johnson is still being heavily pursued by the staff should tell you that they feel the same in regards to taking top players, regardless of the number of players that may be playing at the position.

Who knows how good Lewis will become, but rivals rankings is the one of the only ways to gauge how good most prospects may be. If they are in the top 100-200 players on all recruiting sites, it's safe to say they are pretty good and likely a player you want on your team. No one knows for sure if MSU is still recruiting Lewis, but I would think the staff would offer a scholarship to a player if they have the potential to be as good as Mark Dell or Devin Thomas over a position that could be addressed in the next class.

[The Delta Spartan]

son of a....first CJ now Dyjuan...wonder whats up

[All Your Base]

Originally Posted by Punisher99

Key Martin, Oren Wilson, and Jerel Worthy were all three stars.

Do was Greg Muther****ing Jones.

We're done at WR and I'm happy with the players we got. This kid took too long.

[ninowesco]

Originally Posted by All Your Base

We're done at WR and I'm happy with the players we got. This kid took too long.

exactly

[topperharley122]

Originally Posted by All Your Base

We're done at WR and I'm happy with the players we got. This kid took too long.

Crazy talk. If someone with Lewis' potential wants to commit, then we take him. You don't leave that kind of talent on the board, no matter how long it takes.

And FTR, October isn't that long.

[Old Hort]

Originally Posted by Punisher99

Key Martin, Oren Wilson, and Jerel Worthy were all three stars.

Not when they committed. Martin was unrated (actually not even in the Rivals or Scout databases; Wilson and Worthy were made three stars after their commitment to MSU. I believe both were 5.2rr on Rivals).

[frisbeekt]

Originally Posted by topperharley122

Crazy talk. If someone with Lewis' potential wants to commit, then we take him. You don't leave that kind of talent on the board, no matter how long it takes.

And FTR, October isn't that long.

That kind of Talent? You realize that Dyjuan Lewis Rivals Ranking is 5.8 where Kurtis Drummond and Keith Mumphery have a Rivals Ranking of 5.7. Their Height weight and speed are pretty simular as well.

[Old Hort]

Originally Posted by JOHNNYDRAMA08

Well, I said it would be "likely", I didn't guarantee anything. Spiker and Lewis are again, completely different. No need at the position? You don't understand this "a guy you can't turn down stuff"? I don't understand any of these comments.

Spiker an OL, which are harder to project how they will develop compared to skill positions. A position that is important, but they aren't going to score touchdowns or demand a ton of attention from the defense like a RB, QB or WR does. If you have a great WR they likely open up the passing game for other WR's and the run game to an extent. I have never heard of a defensive game plan that revolves around taking an OL out of the game.

You don't take any player if they put you over the scholarship limit. That's not what anyone is saying. We have enough depth at just about every position for the next three years, expcept at CB, also the OL and DT can use some upgrades. To take this team to another level, IMO, you need the playmakers to take you there. We can all agree that currently OSU is the best team in the big ten, they may be taking 3 CB's in this class after taking 3 CB's last year. Or MSU, we have some decent depth at RB, but they have still made Storm Johnson a priority. Why? Because talent wise Storm Johnson could be a big time RB that makes the offense even more dangerous. Do we have enough RB's? Probably. But if you can get players that can contribute early and become great playmakers for your team you take them. The fact that Storm Johnson is still being heavily pursued by the staff should tell you that they feel the same in regards to taking top players, regardless of the number of players that may be playing at the position.

Who knows how good Lewis will become, but rivals rankings is the one of the only ways to gauge how good most prospects may be. If they are in the top 100-200 players on all recruiting sites, it's safe to say they are pretty good and likely a player you want on your team. No one knows for sure if MSU is still recruiting Lewis, but I would think the staff would offer a scholarship to a player if they have the potential to be as good as Mark Dell or Devin Thomas over a position that could be addressed in the next class.

Question; do you not assume that Lippett and Mumphery were understood as being "playmakers" and hence, we took their commitments at the time they wanted to commit. Fact is, WR is not going to be a priority from this point on, and we know this.

Lastly, for this "Dyjuan Lewis is an athletic God" talk (that, of course, would be the same if he was a 5.6rr on Rivals and not a 5.8rr, I am sure), has anyone noticed these last three schools that he has? Kentucky, Cincy, and Purdue? Not exactly the powerhouses of CFB. Weird that this can't miss prospect doesn't have a more impressive list of finalists.

[EMSP]

Originally Posted by topperharley122

Crazy talk. If someone with Lewis' potential wants to commit, then we take him. You don't leave that kind of talent on the board, no matter how long it takes.

And FTR, October isn't that long.

Even if you promised other committed players you wouldn't recruit any more at that position?

[All Your Base]

Originally Posted by topperharley122

Crazy talk. If someone with Lewis' potential wants to commit, then we take him. You don't leave that kind of talent on the board, no matter how long it takes.

And FTR, October isn't that long.

Why is that crazy talk? Because Rivals says he has 4 stars? Have you seen him play?

****ing morans and your star complexes.