'10 IN WR Dyjuan Lewis (MSU Offer)

topperharley122 · 10-09-2009, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by All Your Base

Why is that crazy talk? Because Rivals says he has 4 stars? Have you seen him play?

****ing morans and your star complexes.

Way to make assumptions idiot. I've seen a couple films on him and while I've never claimed to be an expert, he looked sick. Mumphery's films didn't even compare and a poster on this board who lives in Mumphery's area said his league is towards the bottom of the competition scale in Georgia.

So yeah, when you start saying stupid stuff like we wouldn't take a highly rated and regarded player with a great film and an impressive offer list, it is crazy talk. Especially when we need as much help at that position as possible with Smith moving to TE, White graduating, and a question mark with how Lippett and Mumphery turn out.

topperharley122 · 10-09-2009, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by frisbeekt

That kind of Talent? You realize that Dyjuan Lewis Rivals Ranking is 5.8 where Kurtis Drummond and Keith Mumphery have a Rivals Ranking of 5.7. Their Height weight and speed are pretty simular as well.

Drummond is going to play safety. I think and hope that Mumphery is a stud, and I'm not trying to bring him down at all, but Lewis' offer list blows his away and he's supposedly 2 inches taller now with similar speed.

Just gotta realize that players move positions and not everything is guaranteed to work out. In two years, once Dell and Cunningham are gone, who's our starting wideouts? You have Martin (more of a role player), Fowler, (still learning the game), Spencer(maybe a safety full-time by then), Lippett, and Mumphery(either could play defense). That's a lot of question marks on a team that needs a big hitter. All I'm saying is we can't hope everyone pans out, without having a little cushion.

Our program isn't at a point to turn down top talent...yet.

All Your Base · 10-09-2009, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by topperharley122

Way to make assumptions idiot. I've seen a couple films on him and while I've never claimed to be an expert, he looked sick. Mumphery's films didn't even compare and a poster on this board who lives in Mumphery's area said his league is towards the bottom of the competition scale in Georgia.

So yeah, when you start saying stupid stuff like we wouldn't take a highly rated and regarded player with a great film and an impressive offer list, it is crazy talk. Especially when we need as much help at that position as possible with Smith moving to TE, White graduating, and a question mark with how Lippett and Mumphery turn out.

My point is, obviously MD & co don't see him as a 'must-get'. Why do you? If in fact Lewis has had his offer pulled, then it's time to move on. We have bigger needs anyway.

Also, why wouldn't Lewis be viewed as a ? as well?

JOHNNYDRAMA08 · 10-09-2009, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by topperharley122

Just gotta realize that players move positions and not everything is guaranteed to work out. In two years, once Dell and Cunningham are gone, who's our starting wideouts? You have Martin (more of a role player), Fowler, (still learning the game), Spencer(maybe a safety full-time by then), Lippett, and Mumphery(either could play defense). That's a lot of question marks on a team that needs a big hitter. All I'm saying is we can't hope everyone pans out, without having a little cushion.

Our program isn't at a point to turn down top talent...yet.

Spencer could become a great WR, but many feel that he isn't as good as most 4 star receivers he was ranked with. I hope they are wrong, but many people see him as more of a possession receiver. Also, he'll likely stay at WR. If he has good speed he could become a very good playmaker at WR.

I agree with this statemtent. Grades weren't the issue with CJO, otherwise PSU wouldn't have accepted his commitment. We still need to upgrade the talent level of this team to compete evey year for the big ten championship.

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Originally Posted by Old Hort

Question; do you not assume that Lippett and Mumphery were understood as being "playmakers" and hence, we took their commitments at the time they wanted to commit. Fact is, WR is not going to be a priority from this point on, and we know this.

Lastly, for this "Dyjuan Lewis is an athletic God" talk (that, of course, would be the same if he was a 5.6rr on Rivals and not a 5.8rr, I am sure), has anyone noticed these last three schools that he has? Kentucky, Cincy, and Purdue? Not exactly the powerhouses of CFB. Weird that this can't miss prospect doesn't have a more impressive list of finalists.

Did Coach D tell you MSU was done at WR in this class? Just wondering why Torian Richardson is visiting for the PSU game. Also, did you read my posts? I stated that both Mumphery and Lippett could become great players at MSU.

When has a players final schools been indicative of a players ability? Every year top prospects select schools that are from national powers. Cinci is a top five team right now, UK has a teammate from Lewis' hs on the team and Purdue is his home state school.

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Originally Posted by All Your Base

My point is, obviously MD & co don't see him as a 'must-get'. Why do you? If in fact Lewis has had his offer pulled, then it's time to move on. We have bigger needs anyway.

Also, why wouldn't Lewis be viewed as a ? as well?

Did coach D tell you that he pulled his ship or did he have a top three that didn't include MSU? I don't understand why some MSU fans are content with winning 8-9 games a year. MSU needs to continue to bring in top talent in order to be able to compete for the big ten championship on a consistent basis. Top recruiting classes correlate with the top teams in the country, the talent is needed to win big games. We have one of the best coaching staffs in the country and we need to continue to bring in great players. I'm not saying that all of our current commits won't be great, but I don't agree with dropping someones scholarship that could be an upgrade and improve the team like CJO. The back and forth is pointless, we have differing views which is fine.

topperharley122 · 10-09-2009, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by All Your Base

My point is, obviously MD & co don't see him as a 'must-get'. Why do you? If in fact Lewis has had his offer pulled, then it's time to move on. We have bigger needs anyway.

Also, why wouldn't Lewis be viewed as a ? as well?

Still haven't seen evidence to your fist statement, but if it is true, it could be for a ton of reasons, none of which are necessarily football related. Maybe he flat out told Coach D that he just wasn't interested or maybe academics...we just don't know (probably never will).

All prospects are viewed as a ?. My statement was, we are going all in on barely enough guys to fill the starting spots, let alone build any serious depth. We obviously have other positions of need...mainly OL and CB. Other then that, we have enough depth to take talent like Lewis at WR, which is proven by our obvious attempt to land Storm Johnson at RB, where the stable is already filling up.

Only Matt Millen would pass up talent to fill 'positions of need'.

All Your Base · 10-10-2009, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by JOHNNYDRAMA08

Top recruiting classes correlate with the top teams in the country, the talent is needed to win big games.

Sincerely,
Boise St. & every other team that consistently win 10 or 11 games with lesser classes than State is bringing in each season.

There's something to be said for developing your players.

With that, I'm out.

Old Hort · 10-10-2009, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by topperharley122

Still haven't seen evidence to your fist statement, but if it is true, it could be for a ton of reasons, none of which are necessarily football related. Maybe he flat out told Coach D that he just wasn't interested or maybe academics...we just don't know (probably never will).

All prospects are viewed as a ?. My statement was, we are going all in on barely enough guys to fill the starting spots, let alone build any serious depth. We obviously have other positions of need...mainly OL and CB. Other then that, we have enough depth to take talent like Lewis at WR, which is proven by our obvious attempt to land Storm Johnson at RB, where the stable is already filling up.

Only Matt Millen would pass up talent to fill 'positions of need'.

I am pretty sure you got that backward.

Old Hort · 10-10-2009, 12:44 AM

[QUOTE=JOHNNYDRAMA08;6199205]Spencer could become a great WR, but many feel that he isn't as good as most 4 star receivers he was ranked with. I hope they are wrong, but many people see him as more of a possession receiver. Also, he'll likely stay at WR. If he has good speed he could become a very good playmaker at WR.

I agree with this statemtent. Grades weren't the issue with CJO, otherwise PSU wouldn't have accepted his commitment. We still need to upgrade the talent level of this team to compete evey year for the big ten championship.

Did Coach D tell you MSU was done at WR in this class? Just wondering why Torian Richardson is visiting for the PSU game. Also, did you read my posts? I stated that both Mumphery and Lippett could become great players at MSU.

Nope, he did not. However, for some reason you and others know

would accept a verbal from Dyjuan Lewis because you can't turn "down talent". So, I thought I would throw my assumption out as fact. Also, we will see if Richardson keeps his visit date now that we have Mumphrey.

JOHNNYDRAMA08 · 10-10-2009, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by All Your Base

Sincerely,
Boise St. & every other team that consistently win 10 or 11 games with lesser classes than State is bringing in each season.

There's something to be said for developing your players.

With that, I'm out.

Boise St.? Wow. Put them in any major conference and they would be lucky to win 6-7 games. That comparison is a joke. Yes, develop your talent, but bring in the best players available and develop them as well.

[QUOTE=Old Hort;6199579][QUOTE=JOHNNYDRAMA08;6199205
Nope, he did not. However, for some reason you and others know

would accept a verbal from Dyjuan Lewis because you can't turn "down talent". So, I thought I would throw my assumption out as fact. Also, we will see if Richardson keeps his visit date now that we have Mumphrey.[/QUOTE]

I stated it was "likely", I never used absolutes to describe Lewis or any recruit because things change with them all the time. Also, IMO, I don't think MSU should turn down top talent, such as a top 100 recruit or someone with CJO's offer list. When MSU is consistently winning championships and BCS bowl games then they can be more selective, IMO. With 5 scholarships left MSU has enough schoalrships to address their needs and take a few other prospects.

topperharley122 · 10-10-2009, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by All Your Base

Sincerely,
Boise St. & every other team that consistently win 10 or 11 games with lesser classes than State is bringing in each season.

There's something to be said for developing your players.

With that, I'm out.

He said correlate.

topperharley122 · 10-10-2009, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Hort

I am pretty sure you got that backward.

You obviously never watched a Lions draft beyond the first round...although that's probably a good thing.

Randolph Junuh · 10-10-2009, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JOHNNYDRAMA08

I stated it was "likely", I never used absolutes to describe Lewis or any recruit because things change with them all the time. Also, IMO, I don't think MSU should turn down top talent, such as a top 100 recruit or someone with CJO's offer list. When MSU is consistently winning championships and BCS bowl games then they can be more selective, IMO. With 5 scholarships left MSU has enough schoalrships to address their needs and take a few other prospects.

Of those remaining scholarships, the coaches may give some to walkons like DJ Young and maybe a fullback.

JOHNNYDRAMA08 · 10-10-2009, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by topperharley122

He said correlate.

Sorry for making you run to your dictionary Topper.

I was stating that there is normally a connection between good recruiting classes and good teams.

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Originally Posted by Randolph Junuh

Of those remaining scholarships, the coaches may give some to walkons like DJ Young and maybe a fullback.

I could see DJ Young getting one of the remaining scholarships, but other than him not sure if anyone else should get one. If we have 5-6 scholarships remaining he'll likely get one. But that could still leave us with an OT, CB, RB, DT and either a DT or WR to finish this class with. After watching the game today and witnessing all of the drops I would be happy to see MSU take another WR.

rkrueger05 · 10-10-2009, 04:31 PM

Jason Strayhorn plays a ton on D and will be in line for one.

All Your Base · 10-10-2009, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JOHNNYDRAMA08

Boise St.? Wow. Put them in any major conference and they would be lucky to win 6-7 games. That comparison is a joke. Yes, develop your talent, but bring in the best players available and develop them as well.

That's what we thought.

Forever yours,
Bob Stoops

JOHNNYDRAMA08 · 10-10-2009, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by All Your Base

That's what we thought.

Forever yours,
Bob Stoops

Any team can beat any team in one game. That's why I said put them in the conference and let's see them win 8 games. Boise St. beat Oregon, I think it was BYU who you are thinking of. Seriously, you think that those schools could play in the top conferences and win 8 games? Anyway, seems like Lewis will be playing at UK or Cinci.

topperharley122 · 10-10-2009, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by All Your Base

That's what we thought.

Forever yours,
Bob Stoops

You're right man, let's stop recruiting players with talent. We should be good enough to teach talent ourselves just like Boise State, the MAC, the WAC, and your momma.

And let's keep talking about situations we have no firsthand knowledge about. Alright, awesome.

Sincerely Yours,
You're a ****le.

Almost Famous · 10-10-2009, 11:23 PM

All I want for Christmas is for this thread to be locked. I'll never ask for anything again, I promise.

detroitsportscity · 10-12-2009, 05:42 AM

Mumphery offers - Arkansas, Miss St., Wake Forest, Nebraska, Okie St, Vandy - That's a group without any powers, but full of very legit teams. It is at a minimum comparable to Lewis' list of Purdue, Illinois, Indy, Colorado, Oregon, Kentucky, Cinci, Louisville, Missouri, Iowa, and South Carolina.

Might Lewis be the 'better' player, sure. But he isn't being evaluated by big time coaches as a can't live without player. Can't live without players have offers from top 10 programs - Lewis and Mumphery don't. That tells me that Dantonio liked Mumphery's flexibility of position and willingness to end things early enough to take Mumphery and pass on Lewis, even though he liked him enough to offer him. That makes sense to me.

If it weren't for the 4 star ranking, would any of you be getting bent out of shape about a player whose final group was Cinci, Kentucky, and Purdue? I doubt it. He's a good player, and if room was not an issue, we'd love to have him - that's inarguable. But is he a Prater or Phillips recruit, I don't think so.

intrpdtrvlr · 10-12-2009, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Almost Famous

All I want for Christmas is for this thread to be locked. I'll never ask for anything again, I promise.

Second.

ninowesco · 10-12-2009, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by detroitsportscity

Mumphery offers - Arkansas, Miss St., Wake Forest, Nebraska, Okie St, Vandy - That's a group without any powers, but full of very legit teams. It is at a minimum comparable to Lewis' list of Purdue, Illinois, Indy, Colorado, Oregon, Kentucky, Cinci, Louisville, Missouri, Iowa, and South Carolina.

Might Lewis be the 'better' player, sure. But he isn't being evaluated by big time coaches as a can't live without player. Can't live without players have offers from top 10 programs - Lewis and Mumphery don't. That tells me that Dantonio liked Mumphery's flexibility of position and willingness to end things early enough to take Mumphery and pass on Lewis, even though he liked him enough to offer him. That makes sense to me.

If it weren't for the 4 star ranking, would any of you be getting bent out of shape about a player whose final group was Cinci, Kentucky, and Purdue? I doubt it. He's a good player, and if room was not an issue, we'd love to have him - that's inarguable. But is he a Prater or Phillips recruit, I don't think so.

well done

topperharley122 · 10-12-2009, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by detroitsportscity

That tells me that Dantonio liked Mumphery's flexibility of position and willingness to end things early enough to take Mumphery and pass on Lewis, even though he liked him enough to offer him. That makes sense to me.

Again, you guys keep speculating, but haven't explained why Torian Richardson still holds an offer. If Mumphery was our dream guy and we don't need anymore WR's that's fine, but something else is going on here. All Johnny and I are trying to explain, is that just because we don't land a player, doesn't mean he isn't a talent that we would of loved to have.

All of a sudden, this guy with a solid offer list, Army All-American combine invite ( AAA Game Invite possbily coming), and very good measurables, is no longer on our list and all of a sudden we don't want someone like him. BS. Something went down.

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If it weren't for the 4 star ranking, would any of you be getting bent out of shape about a player whose final group was Cinci, Kentucky, and Purdue? I doubt it. He's a good player, and if room was not an issue, we'd love to have him - that's inarguable. But is he a Prater or Phillips recruit, I don't think so.

No one is getting bent out of shape, just simply trying to explain that something else happened. The 'we never wanted him' stuff is laughable and borderline scUM slappy behaivor. Oh and by the way, we you look at our needs vs. room, we definitely can take another WR is this class. Our only must haves at this point are OL and CB.

detroitsportscity · 10-12-2009, 06:00 PM

Regarding Richardson - We don't know that he's still being pursued, and he is a slot WR and returner, which is a different spot. Also he plays for Byrnes, a school we might be trying to make a mark at (one of the top programs in the nation). But lets wait and see if we mystifyingly drop of his list too.

bpmcgant · 10-12-2009, 07:03 PM

my 15 second summary of this thread:

"we got a wr, don't need him"
"he's good, still take him"
"we have good guys, don't need him"
"we have good guys, but he's really good, still take him"
"he won't play as a freshman, why would he come here"
"whats his name is playing as a freshman"
"this guy is that year and that guy is this year, we don't need him"
"he's good enough to play"
"this guys going to that position and that guys going to this position"
"USC has good players"
"you look at star rankings"
"I don't look at star rankings"

Just in case someone didn't want to read through all of the previous posts.

Green n Mean · 10-12-2009, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bpmcgant

my 15 second summary of this thread:

"we got a wr, don't need him"
"he's good, still take him"
"we have good guys, don't need him"
"we have good guys, but he's really good, still take him"
"he won't play as a freshman, why would he come here"
"whats his name is playing as a freshman"
"this guy is that year and that guy is this year, we don't need him"
"he's good enough to play"
"this guys going to that position and that guys going to this position"
"USC has good players"
"you look at star rankings"
"I don't look at star rankings"

Just in case someone didn't want to read through all of the previous posts.

My .5 second summary of this (and many other) threads: "Your an idiot and I'm not."