'10 MI SF Trey Zeigler (MSU Offer)

[Bleachers]

Originally Posted by intrpdtrvlr

I don't mind people saying this, but let's not sound like Izzo has magical powers. There's only so many ways this can happen. Someone can leave early, break his commitment, be asked to leave, or be forcibly decommitted. I can't imagine Izzo would push anyone out who has been here or put the pressure on someone (Gauna?) to decommit.
Probably moot though; even if Lucas leaves early I'd bet his scholarship is much more likely to end up in the hands of Austin Thornton than Trey Zeigler.

I want ALex Gauna way more that I want Zeigler to be at State. One simple reason, good enough for me, is that Gauna wants to be at MSU and did not hesitate. Trey doesn't know what he wants. Kids that bleed green are always more welcome than others and they will always go that extra mile for the program. This is the kind of culture that breeds continued success.

[mj2345]

Sat with coach izzo at the reebok summer championship in vegas and he told me that he was recruiting ziegler as hard as any player in the class.

He was there watching ray mcCallum, d.Ferguson (pre FIU), and Ziegler.

Hopefully we get ziegler cause he can create his own shot or make set shots. WOuld be a nice fit. Good kid.

[mj2345]

Ziegler has already taken official visits to Oklahoma, UCLA and Michigan. Arizona, Providence and us are battling for the last two visits. he is most likely going to sign late.

[Victory4MSU]

Originally Posted by mj2345

Sat with coach izzo at the reebok summer championship in vegas and he told me that he was recruiting ziegler as hard as any player in the class.

He was there watching ray mcCallum, d.Ferguson (pre FIU), and Ziegler.

Hopefully we get ziegler cause he can create his own shot or make set shots. WOuld be a nice fit. Good kid.

Originally Posted by mj2345

Ziegler has already taken official visits to Oklahoma, UCLA and Michigan. Arizona, Providence and us are battling for the last two visits. he is most likely going to sign late.

All 2010 schollies are taken. No room for Trey unless Kalin leaves for NBA (unlikely) or Herzog leaves the program (possible).

[TripleGreen]

Originally Posted by Victory4MSU

All 2010 schollies are taken. No room for Trey unless Kalin leaves for NBA (unlikely) or Herzog leaves the program (possible).

Unlikely? He's a consensus top 3 PG in all of college basketball. If MSU has a very good season like most of us hope and assume they will, his stock isn't going to get a whole lot higher. There comes a point where the longer you stay (in college), the less mystery and hyperbole there is surrounding your upside. That's not always a good thing when you have a player that's trying to maximize his draft stock.

[Victory4MSU]

Originally Posted by TripleGreen

Unlikely? He's a consensus top 3 PG in all of college basketball. If MSU has a very good season like most of us hope and assume they will, his stock isn't going to get a whole lot higher. There comes a point where the longer you stay (in college), the less mystery and hyperbole there is surrounding your upside. That's not always a good thing when you have a player that's trying to maximize his draft stock.

Kalin said he would stay all 4 years, and being a top 3 PG in college doesn't always translate to the NBA. It very rarely does. So, yes it is unlikely.

[The Armchair Quarterback]

Originally Posted by Victory4MSU

Kalin said he would stay all 4 years, and being a top 3 PG in college doesn't always translate to the NBA. It very rarely does. So, yes it is unlikely.

If Trey callls Izzo and tells him he wants in do you think Izzo will tell him there is no room. Izzo will make room. You never turn down talent. Trey is a notch below 5 star level.

[Victory4MSU]

Originally Posted by The Armchair Quarterback

If Trey callls Izzo and tells him he wants in do you think Izzo will tell him there is no room. Izzo will make room. You never turn down talent. Trey is a notch below 5 star level.

OK.

[intrpdtrvlr]

Originally Posted by The Armchair Quarterback

If Trey callls Izzo and tells him he wants in do you think Izzo will tell him there is no room. Izzo will make room. You never turn down talent. Trey is a notch below 5 star level.

Okay, Armchair, I'm going to engage in this one last time (I know I'm lying, sadly).

You're Izzo. Zeigler calls you. Tell me, what do you do? Say, "don't worry, Trey, Kalin's going pro. There's a spot for you." That sure sounds risky in December.
Call in Tom Herzog. "I'm sorry, Tom, we appreciate all the work you've put in but you're graduating and there's no room for you next season." Do you bring Alex Guana into your office and tear up his LOI in front of him? Does Izzo ask the wealthiest Spartan to pay his own way and go walk-on?

I actually think you're wrong. I think you "turn down talent" sometimes. Probably in times when you're scholarship allotment is full, filled by people who have already given you verbal commitments and who are already on your team.
I don't think that means Izzo stops recruiting Zeigler right now; that'd be foolish. There's a reasonable chance a spot will open for him this spring if he wants it. However, I think the idea that Izzo would take a verbal from Zeigler right now at the expense of a current player/recruit is hard to believe.
Again, how does Izzo "make room." Is there some wand I should know about?

[The Armchair Quarterback]

Originally Posted by intrpdtrvlr

Okay, Armchair, I'm going to engage in this one last time (I know I'm lying, sadly).

You're Izzo. Zeigler calls you. Tell me, what do you do? Say, "don't worry, Trey, Kalin's going pro. There's a spot for you." That sure sounds risky in December.
Call in Tom Herzog. "I'm sorry, Tom, we appreciate all the work you've put in but you're graduating and there's no room for you next season." Do you bring Alex Guana into your office and tear up his LOI in front of him? Does Izzo ask the wealthiest Spartan to pay his own way and go walk-on?

I actually think you're wrong. I think you "turn down talent" sometimes. Probably in times when you're scholarship allotment is full, filled by people who have already given you verbal commitments and who are already on your team.
I don't think that means Izzo stops recruiting Zeigler right now; that'd be foolish. There's a reasonable chance a spot will open for him this spring if he wants it. However, I think the idea that Izzo would take a verbal from Zeigler right now at the expense of a current player/recruit is hard to believe.
Again, how does Izzo "make room." Is there some wand I should know about?

All I know is that Izzo is recruiting Zeigler. So there must be a spot being held for him.

[GBSprtn]

Originally Posted by The Armchair Quarterback

All I know is that Izzo is recruiting Zeigler. So there must be a spot being held for him.

Not necessarily. I would have to believe that Izzo will continue to recruit Trey in case there is a chance that a scholly opens up.

For example, If Izzo stops recruiting Trey, and then Herzog decides to leave or Kalin leaves early or takes Thorton of scholarship. If that were to happen, he has been recruiting Trey hard, and because of the continued recruiting, Trey might come here. On the other hand if he doesn't continue to recruit him and a spot does in fact open up, he doesn't have a shot in the world with Trey. Izzo will be kicking himself in the foot because he didn't continue to recruit.

I think its really a day to day recruit with Trey.

[Heaph]

Originally Posted by GBSprtn

Not necessarily. I would have to believe that Izzo will continue to recruit Trey in case there is a chance that a scholly opens up.

For example, If Izzo stops recruiting Trey, and then Herzog decides to leave or Kalin leaves early or takes Thorton of scholarship. If that were to happen, he has been recruiting Trey hard, and because of the continued recruiting, Trey might come here. On the other hand if he doesn't continue to recruit him and a spot does in fact open up, he doesn't have a shot in the world with Trey. Izzo will be kicking himself in the foot because he didn't continue to recruit.

I think its really a day to day recruit with Trey.

I have an ignorant question, as I have never been part of or around any kind of recruitment for college. Would it be odd or out of any sort of norm if Coach Izzo and T. Herzog already have some agreement that if a talent like Ziegler comes along, TH would voluntarily step out? Before you answer, I am not suggesting that he should or even that Coach should ask him, just wondering, from those that know more than me, if that would be really odd or not.

[EightyEightMilesPerHour]

Originally Posted by Heaph

I have an ignorant question, as I have never been part of or around any kind of recruitment for college. Would it be odd or out of any sort of norm if Coach Izzo and T. Herzog already have some agreement that if a talent like Ziegler comes along, TH would voluntarily step out? Before you answer, I am not suggesting that he should or even that Coach should ask him, just wondering, from those that know more than me, if that would be really odd or not.

Yeah it would be hard to see a coach doing something like that, especially someone like Izzo. Now when Calipari took over at Kentucky and brought recruits with him, it was made pretty clear to some current scholarship holders that they no longer had a place in the program in one way or another. Slightly different situation obviously, but with Izzo, it may be possible that he would sit a player down and explain they wouldn't see much playing time, but ultimately I'd have to imagine he'd leave the decision with the player.

[intrpdtrvlr]

Originally Posted by EightyEightMilesPerHour

Yeah it would be hard to see a coach doing something like that, especially someone like Izzo. Now when Calipari took over at Kentucky and brought recruits with him, it was made pretty clear to some current scholarship holders that they no longer had a place in the program in one way or another. Slightly different situation obviously, but with Izzo, it may be possible that he would sit a player down and explain they wouldn't see much playing time, but ultimately I'd have to imagine he'd leave the decision with the player.

Right, didn't Izzo even say publicly that it's what he did with Dahlman? He told him (basically), "we want you here, but if you're going to stay, I want you to know how the opportunity for playing time looks in the next few years so you can make an informed decision." And Isaiah wanted to stay, and that was the end of it.

My point has been I don't think Izzo would tell Zeigler there's a spot for him unless there's actually a spot for him and there isn't right now. This isn't either Izzo or the Zeiglers' first rodeo. I'm sure everything is in the open. Zeigler has said he's waiting until Spring and Izzo is going to keep recruiting him because there's a good chance a spot will be there come April. Simple as that.

[TripleNipple1288]

What are the chances that they just take the Schollie away from Thorton after this year. He was a preferred walk-on, so it was nice to give him a year for free, but can't you take that away to give it to a better talent? Just wondering how that would work.

EDIT: Nevermind. Looks like people already discussed this and AT won't have a scholarship next year anyway. Continue on your way, nothing to see here.

[Larry Harrisons Lotion]

Originally Posted by Bleachers

I want ALex Gauna way more that I want Zeigler to be at State. One simple reason, good enough for me, is that Gauna wants to be at MSU and did not hesitate. Trey doesn't know what he wants. Kids that bleed green are always more welcome than others and they will always go that extra mile for the program. This is the kind of culture that breeds continued success.

I think you might be alone on that.

[Leave Cousins in!!]

Originally Posted by Bleachers

I want ALex Gauna way more that I want Zeigler to be at State. One simple reason, good enough for me, is that Gauna wants to be at MSU and did not hesitate. Trey doesn't know what he wants. Kids that bleed green are always more welcome than others and they will always go that extra mile for the program. This is the kind of culture that breeds continued success.

Also according to Rexrode

Izzo also said he isn't necessarily done for 2010. There's another possible player out there, he said, and he obviously couldn't name him because the kid hasn't signed. But it's obviously Trey Zeigler of Mount Pleasant, who probably won't decide (MSU, UCLA, Michigan or with his dad at CMU) until the spring

[Bleachers]

I stand by my comments about Gauna. You bandwagon guys that would rather have other players than the ones we have signed are what makes for a pathetic fanbase and if followed by the coaching staff makes for a weak program. Support your team not your ego.

[MSUKnowIt]

Originally Posted by Bleachers

I stand by my comments about Gauna. You bandwagon guys that would rather have other players than the ones we have signed are what makes for a pathetic fanbase and if followed by the coaching staff makes for a weak program. Support your team not your ego.

[Paul]

Is there any chance that the reason TZ is waiting until the spring to decide is that he wants to see if a scholarship opens up at MSU, and if one doesn't he is going to join his father at CMU? I am not saying that TZ is planning on going to MSU, but that he might be intrigued by the possibility of one opening up. Otherwise, I don't see why he would wait unitl spring. He could choose where he wanted to go today.

[EightyEightMilesPerHour]

Originally Posted by Bleachers

I stand by my comments about Gauna. You bandwagon guys that would rather have other players than the ones we have signed are what makes for a pathetic fanbase and if followed by the coaching staff makes for a weak program. Support your team not your ego.

First of all, I don't think we need to start comparing people like this. Gauna is signed, and I hope he can come in and contribute and some depth for us and possibly more. It also sounds like Zeigler could be an incredible addition. Just because he hasn't signed yet doesn't mean he's going to be any less committed to the school he eventually chooses than a player who has signed already. So stop talking about players you would rather have and all this nonsense. I'm going to be happy with whoever Izzo brings in here, and he's a hell of a lot better talent scout than anyone on here.

[338LandonHall]

I seem to remember this board thinking Draymond Green was an "ok, solid program guy, good for depth" addition to our 08 class. Izzo thinks Gauna is good. Izzo states its possible we can still get TZ so that should be good enough to tide us over until the spring. Either way, if Lucas decides to go pro, we've prolly had a very successful season and we have a chance to get Ziegler. If he stays for his senior year thats great too. If something happens where Herzog graduates and opens up the scholly or goes on academic scholarship, I think most of us would be ok with that. The one "negative" possibility is Lucas graduates and we still don't get Ziegler.

[WindyCitySpartan]

The article posted in this thread certainly gives creedence to the idea that there's something Izzo knows that we don't about another schollie for Trey:
http://www.spartantailgate.com/forum...all-class.html

This is straight from Izzo:

"There's a possibility we could take one more. It probably won't be early, though."

There's more to this than just hack reporters failing to count up the schollies correctly when Izzo himself is saying it.

[CoachL]

Is there any chance that the reason TZ is waiting until the spring to decide is that he wants to see if a scholarship opens up at MSU, and if one doesn't he is going to join his father at CMU? I am not saying that TZ is planning on going to MSU, but that he might be intrigued by the possibility of one opening up. Otherwise, I don't see why he would wait unitl spring. He could choose where he wanted to go today.

win the Big 10, have a great run in the NCAA- like win it. Kalin accomplishes all he can do for the program and moves on to the next level and TZ then follows Kalin's foot steps which it looks like he would like to do. What a great way to wrap up this season and it is a real psooibility.

[intrpdtrvlr]

Originally Posted by WindyCitySpartan

The article posted in this thread certainly gives creedence to the idea that there's something Izzo knows that we don't about another schollie for Trey:
http://www.spartantailgate.com/forum...all-class.html

This is straight from Izzo:

There's more to this than just hack reporters failing to count up the schollies correctly when Izzo himself is saying it.

If you listen to the press conference, it's worth noting that Izzo qualifies his statment by saying "depends what happens with a lot of things." So, I think it's what most people have been saying - Izzo is still pursuing Zeigler even though it's not clear where the scholarship would come from, and there's a lot of things that still need shaking out that should take care of themselves by Spring.