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intrpdtrvlr · 04-22-2008, 09:40 PM

I've been a reader for a long time and just started posting.

I feel the need to ask:
What criteria are we using to determine who actually has a scholarship offer? Are we merely speculating? It seems obvious that the board as a whole has been way off. Lots of talk about Riley, Kirk, Howell, Wilson but very little about Sherman and Nix until their annoucements.

There's only two left. Wilson, Riley, Kirk, and Howell can't all be told there's a scholarship waiting, unless Izzo is using a first-come/first-serve model. Someone just said today that Riley has an offer. Really? That seems doubtful.

I know we can't prevent people for posting whatever they think as though it were inside info or known fact but can we establish any discipline on this?

Divided42 · 04-22-2008, 10:44 PM

Thats because Sherman and Nix got the offer and committed very very soon after. Riley and Kirk were offered a while ago, MSU has not had much contact at all with Riley in a while as he has not done a thing basically since AAU ball last year. It seems that MSU's top option right now seems to be Jamil Wilson after the Crean departure to IU.

Ari Gold · 04-23-2008, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by intrpdtrvlr

I've been a reader for a long time and just started posting.

I feel the need to ask:
What criteria are we using to determine who actually has a scholarship offer? Are we merely speculating? It seems obvious that the board as a whole has been way off. Lots of talk about Riley, Kirk, Howell, Wilson but very little about Sherman and Nix until their annoucements.

There's only two left. Wilson, Riley, Kirk, and Howell can't all be told there's a scholarship waiting, unless Izzo is using a first-come/first-serve model. Someone just said today that Riley has an offer. Really? That seems doubtful.

I know we can't prevent people for posting whatever they think as though it were inside info or known fact but can we establish any discipline on this?

Well it is a fact that they have offers. So,,,,,

There are varying degrees of offers. This may be too hard for you to wrap your head around so I'll just stop right there.

Jersey Spartan · 04-23-2008, 09:27 AM

Izzo has to offer some for PC reasons.

gw73 · 04-23-2008, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jersey Spartan

Izzo has to offer some for PC reasons.

Izzo may offer conditional offers (get your grades in order, visit our school, improve your game) but he has never offered any to appease a coach or league that I can think of.

Remember, a lot of players claim someone has offered and the coach cannot say one word in rebuttal.

darlin16 · 04-23-2008, 04:48 PM

Why can't you say anything if you didn't offer something? Couldn't any joe schmo say they were offered a scholarship then?

Archangel · 04-23-2008, 05:09 PM

AASpartan runs these recruiting forums and it's up to him which players the coaches are going to offer or not.

intrpdtrvlr · 04-23-2008, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

Well it is a fact that they have offers. So,,,,,

There are varying degrees of offers. This may be too hard for you to wrap your head around so I'll just stop right there.

Yes, clearly I am a fool who cannot reason well. Let's start personally insulting each other. This sort of thing would be why I hesitated so long to post.

I don't recall Nix being referred to (by anyone) as having an offer so I'm not sure about the claims of who does and who doesn't have an offer being "facts." That was my main point.

So, your point taken, so what type of offers do we think these individuals have? So far, I haven't seen any talk of qualifiers on the players listed as offered.

NorthSpartanCarolina · 04-23-2008, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jersey Spartan

Izzo has to offer some for PC reasons.

This may be one of the dumbest things I've ever read. Izzo is coaching a big time program and he doesn't have to offer anybody who he doesn't think will help MSU win games. If anything, high school coaches should be lining up to kiss

's ass, not the other way around.

atlspartan73 · 04-23-2008, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jersey Spartan

Izzo has to offer some for PC reasons.

What the hell are you talking about?

Ari Gold · 04-23-2008, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by intrpdtrvlr

Yes, clearly I am a fool who cannot reason well. Let's start personally insulting each other. This sort of thing would be why I hesitated so long to post.

I don't recall Nix being referred to (by anyone) as having an offer so I'm not sure about the claims of who does and who doesn't have an offer being "facts." That was my main point.

So, your point taken, so what type of offers do we think these individuals have? So far, I haven't seen any talk of qualifiers on the players listed as offered.

This would take waaaaayyyy too long to explain to you. I would advise that you ignore recruiting and just look at pictures of puppies and rainbows.

AASpartan · 04-23-2008, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by intrpdtrvlr

Yes, clearly I am a fool who cannot reason well. Let's start personally insulting each other. This sort of thing would be why I hesitated so long to post.

I don't recall Nix being referred to (by anyone) as having an offer so I'm not sure about the claims of who does and who doesn't have an offer being "facts." That was my main point.

So, your point taken, so what type of offers do we think these individuals have? So far, I haven't seen any talk of qualifiers on the players listed as offered.

Nix was offered and accepted the same day. This was reported.

Ari Gold · 04-23-2008, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AASpartan

Nix was offered and accepted the same day. This was reported.

But how do you know this? I mean I thought other players had offers? And why should we trust your opinion as to who was offered, I mean this doesn't make any sense!

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intrpdtrvlr · 04-24-2008, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by AASpartan

Nix was offered and accepted the same day. This was reported.

That makes sense.
If it's common practice to offer three scholarships to five or six players at a time, then I'm misinformed.

Regardless, I'm going to go tend to those rainbows and puppies now, Ari. This is exactly why I waited to sign-up. Not worth it. Consider me out.

gw73 · 04-24-2008, 08:18 AM

The coach says first to commit gets it, as long as he tells all the players the situation there is nothing wrong with that.

I am betting Izzo told Summers, Allen and Tucker he had 2 scholarships and the first 2 to commit gets them. 3 wings, all close in talent (and I assume intangibles) with 2 needed.

peter465 · 04-24-2008, 09:26 AM

You guys need to relax.

Just because someone doesn't know every single detail/rule about college recruiting it doesn't mean it's "too much to wrap his head around"

Opinions, news, facts, questions.... that is what a message board is for.

intrpdtrvlr · 04-24-2008, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by peter465

You guys need to relax.

Just because someone doesn't know every single detail/rule about college recruiting it doesn't mean it's "too much to wrap his head around"

Opinions, news, facts, questions.... that is what a message board is for.

Thanks, man.
Okay, I am NOT an expert on recruiting nuances and ins and outs. I am a serious MSU basketball fan (and alum) who's interested in potential recruits.

Trying once again, here's my question. Offering multiple players - got it. But isn't there a risk involved? Assuming one scholarship is set aside for Wilson (that seems likely) and Izzo has made an offer to Kirk, Riley, Howell, and anyone else on a first-come, first serve basis, isn't he risking losing his preference? He must have one. It seems like it'd be bad for the program's recruiting reputation to offer players then put them on hold when they accept. Is that common too?
Wise, more experienced posters, is that scenario something like what's going on?

Last question, speaking from my humble ignorance:
And if, according to DaChairman (whose accuracy I don't question), Nix was the guy MSU felt they "had to get," why would those other guys have long standing offers if Nix just received one when he accepted?

StatsETC · 04-24-2008, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by intrpdtrvlr

Thanks, man.
Okay, I am NOT an expert on recruiting nuances and ins and outs. I am a serious MSU basketball fan (and alum) who's interested in potential recruits.

Trying once again, here's my question. Offering multiple players - got it. But isn't there a risk involved? Assuming one scholarship is set aside for Wilson (that seems likely) and Izzo has made an offer to Kirk, Riley, Howell, and anyone else on a first-come, first serve basis, isn't he risking losing his preference? He must have one. It seems like it'd be bad for the program's recruiting reputation to offer players then put them on hold when they accept. Is that common too?
Wise, more experienced posters, is that scenario something like what's going on?

Last question, speaking from my humble ignorance:
And if, according to DaChairman (whose accuracy I don't question), Nix was the guy MSU felt they "had to get," why would those other guys have long standing offers if Nix just received one when he accepted?

The "Had to get" statement didn't come until after the last two tournaments The Family played in.

Riley & Kirk got their offers at the end of last summer when Riley showed enough (shut down two senior 5* big guys in the same game) at Peach Jam to merit a 5* ranking from Rivals and was generally considered a top 15 prospect. At the same time, Kirk was growing into a true PF and the label "Next Al Horford" was thrown around as he experienced his own success on the summer circuit. Fast forward to today and they're both coming off very subpar HS seasons. They had a huge height advantage on every team they played and should've absolutely dominated, yet did nothing of the sort.

Conversely, Nix got no attention whatsoever last summer as he play on an obscure AAU team and didn't have any outstanding performances. Fast forward to today and Nix is coming off a fantastic HS season and has joined the Family, and in the process, he's totally outplaying Riley and Kirk (and James Still, for that matter). Nix got his offer and accepted (which he went on record last year and said he would if it came). Hope this helps.

Ari Gold · 04-24-2008, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by intrpdtrvlr

Thanks, man.
Okay, I am NOT an expert on recruiting nuances and ins and outs. I am a serious MSU basketball fan (and alum) who's interested in potential recruits.

Trying once again, here's my question. Offering multiple players - got it. But isn't there a risk involved? Assuming one scholarship is set aside for Wilson (that seems likely) and Izzo has made an offer to Kirk, Riley, Howell, and anyone else on a first-come, first serve basis, isn't he risking losing his preference? He must have one. It seems like it'd be bad for the program's recruiting reputation to offer players then put them on hold when they accept. Is that common too?
Wise, more experienced posters, is that scenario something like what's going on?

Last question, speaking from my humble ignorance:
And if, according to DaChairman (whose accuracy I don't question), Nix was the guy MSU felt they "had to get," why would those other guys have long standing offers if Nix just received one when he accepted?

MSU could redshirt one of those guys and make him apart of the '10 class. I personally don't see it but it is a possibility.

Ari Gold · 04-24-2008, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by peter465

You guys need to relax.

Just because someone doesn't know every single detail/rule about college recruiting it doesn't mean it's "too much to wrap his head around"

Opinions, news, facts, questions.... that is what a message board is for.

Its not that he doesn't know much about recruiting, it was the tone of his first post. He thought people were just making up who had offers and who didn't. That question wasn't worth a serious response.

Isatoner · 04-24-2008, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

Its not that he doesn't know much about recruiting, it was the tone of his first post. He thought people were just making up who had offers and who didn't. That question wasn't worth a serious response.

Wasn't worth a serious response but worth belittling a fellow spartan - I fail to understand why many on this board are so quick to degrade a poster at the slightest sign of weakness.

I am also no expert but was wondering what impact the commitments of Sherman and Nix have on the other offers on the table. If howell or Rilley call Izzo tommorow offering their services does Izzo tell them sorry Nix has taken your spot, I am saving last scholarship for wilson? My guess the answer would depend on how confident Izzo is in landing wilson - have to believe he would be our first choice at this point.

peter465 · 04-25-2008, 08:09 AM

1. I didn't realize that the "wrap head thing" was in response to to the tone.

2. Hell with Riley and Kirk. We need either Jamil Wilson or Noel Johnson... or BOTH.

I think they will both be studs and both play the same kinda game/position. They are tall 6'6" or better, but both have handles. Wilson is better down low and Johnson can get hot from anywhere on the court.

Again, this is all from what I've read on these boards and rivals... I live in metro-detroit so I've never seen either of them play.

04-22-2008, 09:40 PM	#1 (permalink)
intrpdtrvlr New Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 11	Offers I've been a reader for a long time and just started posting. I feel the need to ask: What criteria are we using to determine who actually has a scholarship offer? Are we merely speculating? It seems obvious that the board as a whole has been way off. Lots of talk about Riley, Kirk, Howell, Wilson but very little about Sherman and Nix until their annoucements. There's only two left. Wilson, Riley, Kirk, and Howell can't all be told there's a scholarship waiting, unless Izzo is using a first-come/first-serve model. Someone just said today that Riley has an offer. Really? That seems doubtful. I know we can't prevent people for posting whatever they think as though it were inside info or known fact but can we establish any discipline on this?

04-22-2008, 10:44 PM	#2 (permalink)
Divided42 New Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 22	Thats because Sherman and Nix got the offer and committed very very soon after. Riley and Kirk were offered a while ago, MSU has not had much contact at all with Riley in a while as he has not done a thing basically since AAU ball last year. It seems that MSU's top option right now seems to be Jamil Wilson after the Crean departure to IU. Last edited by Divided42; 04-22-2008 at 10:46 PM.

04-23-2008, 05:09 PM	#7 (permalink)
Archangel RCMB Donor 10,000+ posts Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Perpetual purgatory Posts: 17,994	AASpartan runs these recruiting forums and it's up to him which players the coaches are going to offer or not. __________________ "Out of suffering have emerged the strongest souls; the most massive characters are seared with scars." Kahlil Gibran I miss you Christine, I will remember you always. 10 April 1970 - 8 August 2007 "... we are Michigan State. So that's my reaction." Last edited by Archangel; 04-23-2008 at 05:35 PM. Reason: typo

04-24-2008, 08:18 AM	#15 (permalink)
gw73 500+ posts Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Lansing MI Posts: 746	Offering 1 scholarship to 2 or 3 players is common The coach says first to commit gets it, as long as he tells all the players the situation there is nothing wrong with that. I am betting Izzo told Summers, Allen and Tucker he had 2 scholarships and the first 2 to commit gets them. 3 wings, all close in talent (and I assume intangibles) with 2 needed.

04-24-2008, 09:26 AM	#16 (permalink)
peter465 25+ posts Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 39	take it easy You guys need to relax. Just because someone doesn't know every single detail/rule about college recruiting it doesn't mean it's "too much to wrap his head around" Opinions, news, facts, questions.... that is what a message board is for.

04-23-2008, 09:27 AM	#4 (permalink)
Jersey Spartan 1,000+ posts Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,463	Izzo has to offer some for PC reasons.

04-23-2008, 04:48 PM	#6 (permalink)
darlin16 New Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 5	Why can't you say anything if you didn't offer something? Couldn't any joe schmo say they were offered a scholarship then?

04-25-2008, 08:09 AM	#22 (permalink)
peter465 25+ posts Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 39	1. I didn't realize that the "wrap head thing" was in response to to the tone. 2. Hell with Riley and Kirk. We need either Jamil Wilson or Noel Johnson... or BOTH. I think they will both be studs and both play the same kinda game/position. They are tall 6'6" or better, but both have handles. Wilson is better down low and Johnson can get hot from anywhere on the court. Again, this is all from what I've read on these boards and rivals... I live in metro-detroit so I've never seen either of them play.