tOfficial 2010 Basketball Recruiting Thread

peter465 · 08-06-2009, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Clarett's Folly

Sims is already a football scholarship guy.

I know. If you look at the little spreadsheet a few posts up...it includes Sims as one of the scholarships I believe.

Take him out and now there are 2 spots.

Am I missing something?

Claretts Folly · 08-06-2009, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by peter465

I know. If you look at the little spreadsheet a few posts up...it includes Sims as one of the scholarships I believe.

Take him out and now there are 2 spots.

Am I missing something?

I think that little gray space above Thorton indicates non-scholarship players.

Michigan State Fan · 08-06-2009, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by peter465

I know. If you look at the little spreadsheet a few posts up...it includes Sims as one of the scholarships I believe.

Take him out and now there are 2 spots.

Am I missing something?

Thornton and Sims are listed as Walk-ons in that chart. There is only one scholarship available.

Senator Blutarsky · 08-09-2009, 05:43 PM

Remember a couple of years ago we had an extra guy committed and no one knew why, but it turned out Mojo left for Vermont. Izzo has more information than we do I assume.

intrpdtrvlr · 08-09-2009, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Senator Blutarsky

Remember a couple of years ago we had an extra guy committed and no one knew why, but it turned out Mojo left for Vermont. Izzo has more information than we do I assume.

Didn't MoJo's scholarship get filled by Draymond Green after it was already announced that he'd be transferring? I'm not sure your timetable is accurate; we never actually had an extra commit that I recall.

bpmcgant · 08-12-2009, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by intrpdtrvlr

Didn't MoJo's scholarship get filled by Draymond Green after it was already announced that he'd be transferring? I'm not sure your timetable is accurate; we never actually had an extra commit that I recall.

the only guess I can come up with is Herzog dropping basektball early. Otherwise it's speculation that someone's leaving early.

IzzoisdaMan · 08-12-2009, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by intrpdtrvlr

Didn't MoJo's scholarship get filled by Draymond Green after it was already announced that he'd be transferring? I'm not sure your timetable is accurate; we never actually had an extra commit that I recall.

Correct, Mojo officially announced that he was leaving MSU in early June. Draymond did not commit until late June. We never had an extra commit.

Claretts Folly · 08-12-2009, 09:37 PM

The staff probably thinks that Kalin will be declaring for the NBA after this season which would free up that 5th scholarship.

intrpdtrvlr · 08-12-2009, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Clarett's Folly

The staff probably thinks that Kalin will be declaring for the NBA after this season which would free up that 5th scholarship.

I think that too, but my questions is - can you really recruit on that assumption at this point? What if an injury robs Lucas of a good part of his season? What if it's a disappointment? Would it be like Izzo and staff to take that sort of chance?

Beyond that, I'm not sure they are planning on taking five (at least all in the early period) despite what some reports say. I'll believe it when Izzo does it.

lostwarder · 08-13-2009, 01:29 PM

My understanding is they want to take 4 for now (assuming TZ doesn't announce until late signing period) We'll know what's going on w/ Lucas leaving soon as the season ends I imagine so if TZ wants to commit late there would be a spot for him.

Claretts Folly · 08-13-2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by intrpdtrvlr

I think that too, but my questions is - can you really recruit on that assumption at this point? What if an injury robs Lucas of a good part of his season? What if it's a disappointment? Would it be like Izzo and staff to take that sort of chance?

Beyond that, I'm not sure they are planning on taking five (at least all in the early period) despite what some reports say. I'll believe it when Izzo does it.

I think that the hay is in the barn as far as Lucas and the NBA are concerned. It would take a Shawn Livingston type of injury to keep him out of the first round at this point. Even an individually bad season doesn't hurt his stock too much at this point.

As far as the five scholarships go; I think Izzo would release them if he knew he could get both Zeigler and Payne, any other two player combination and I don't think five scholarships get offered.

lostwarder · 08-13-2009, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Clarett's Folly

I think that the hay is in the barn as far as Lucas and the NBA are concerned. It would take a Shawn Livingston type of injury to keep him out of the first round at this point. Even an individually bad season doesn't hurt his stock too much at this point.

As far as the five scholarships go; I think Izzo would release them if he knew he could get both Zeigler and Payne, any other two player combination and I don't think five scholarships get offered.

Izzo wouldn't release any player just to bring in a freshman, he's kept Dalhman around for three years and he hasn't played meaningful minutes since Morgan went down their freshman year. The only way we get 5 people is if someone leaves early or someone goes on academic scholarship.

If that wasn't what you were referring to than disregard this post.

Claretts Folly · 08-13-2009, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by lostwarder

Izzo wouldn't release any player just to bring in a freshman, he's kept Dalhman around for three years and he hasn't played meaningful minutes since Morgan went down their freshman year. The only way we get 5 people is if someone leaves early or someone goes on academic scholarship.

If that wasn't what you were referring to than disregard this post.

No, that's not what I meant at all. I'm saying that if Izzo takes 5 commitments for the '10 class then I would wager that the staff is certain that Lucas will declare for the NBA Draft following his Junior year.

Temu17 · 08-13-2009, 10:49 PM

Draft Express doesn't have Lucas listed as a first-rounder: DraftExpress: Mock Draft

NBADraft.net doesn't even have him: 2010 Mock Draft | NBADraft.net

Of course, both can change with another stellar season.

Speacons · 08-15-2009, 01:49 PM

You all need to lay off the Kool-Aid. I love Lucas as much as anyone but, barring some sort of deep tournament run, tournament MVP, Wooden Award accolades, he'll be back after this season (unless he leaves to be a late first rounder or second rounder). He just doesn't have enough to separate himself from the other guards that will or may be in the draft. Plus, as an NBA GM, you know what you are getting - you know the ceiling and, unfortunately, more NBA GMs draft on potential.

Nbadraft.net currently has him listed as a SECOND ROUNDER in 2011 (10th pick of the 2nd round). You can stop all the 'extra scholarship because Lucas is definitely leaving for the NBA' talk because, if he does leave (slim slim chance), it will not be decided until after the season.

MSUtopia · 08-16-2009, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Speacons

You all need to lay off the Kool-Aid. I love Lucas as much as anyone but, barring some sort of deep tournament run, tournament MVP, Wooden Award accolades, he'll be back after this season (unless he leaves to be a late first rounder or second rounder). He just doesn't have enough to separate himself from the other guards that will or may be in the draft. Plus, as an NBA GM, you know what you are getting - you know the ceiling and, unfortunately, more NBA GMs draft on potential.

Nbadraft.net currently has him listed as a SECOND ROUNDER in 2011 (10th pick of the 2nd round). You can stop all the 'extra scholarship because Lucas is definitely leaving for the NBA' talk because, if he does leave (slim slim chance), it will not be decided until after the season.

Anyone speculating that Lucas will be a first rounder after this season are factoring in the very real possibiltiy that he will be an improved player this year. If he is, not only will he have a great season, but his progressive improvement could point to the potential for even further improvement. Those that believe he will be second round material are making the assumption that he will be the same player in 2010 that he was in 2009.

MattR644 · 08-16-2009, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MSUtopia

Anyone speculating that Lucas will be a first rounder after this season are factoring in the very real possibiltiy that he will be an improved player this year. If he is, not only will he have a great season, but his progressive improvement could point to the potential for even further improvement. Those that believe he will be second round material are making the assumption that he will be the same player in 2010 that he was in 2009.

Regardless, it's kind of ridiculous to think that he's so dead-set made up his mind to go pro to the point where Izzo is making an extra scholarship offer based on this.

hoopster67 · 08-16-2009, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MattR644

Regardless, it's kind of ridiculous to think that he's so dead-set made up his mind to go pro to the point where Izzo is making an extra scholarship offer based on this.

I must have missed the press conference where Kalin and Izzo talked about Kalin's Farewell Tour. Could you please direct me to the clip where they talked about this?

MattR644 · 08-17-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopster67

I must have missed the press conference where Kalin and Izzo talked about Kalin's Farewell Tour. Could you please direct me to the clip where they talked about this?

That was kind of my point.

intrpdtrvlr · 08-17-2009, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MattR644

That was kind of my point.

And mine.
We have four types of commentators.

1. People who think Lucas is as good as gone and Izzo is recruiting based on this.
2. People who think Lucas is likely gone but it's too early to recruit assuming this. (this includes me)
3. People who think Lucas will be back for his senior season.
4. The clueless.

This discussion is running in circles. Let's shut it down.

VolSpartan · 08-18-2009, 12:59 AM

Lucas putting on weight during this off-season is the first step toward being a 1st rounder next year. His size is a big concern for scouts and added weight would definitely help.

I think Izzo is mostly just making sure he has his bases covered. It is smarter than having a situation where Lucas leaves, and then he's stuck in a position where he hasn't stayed in contact with a target (Zeigler) who might wait until late Spring to decide.

btl17 · 08-18-2009, 11:25 AM

It would be more likely that Herzog has told them he isn't coming back for a 5th year. Or, that a player has indicated they will be transferring at the end of the year. This isn't a coaching staff that is going to sit in a 16 year old’s living room at tell him to be part of the MSU family if there "might be" a spot. If they are recruiting for two spots (which we don't know for sure) they know where it is coming from 100%.

bpmcgant · 08-18-2009, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by VolSpartan

Lucas putting on weight during this off-season is the first step toward being a 1st rounder next year. His size is a big concern for scouts and added weight would definitely help.

I think Izzo is mostly just making sure he has his bases covered. It is smarter than having a situation where Lucas leaves, and then he's stuck in a position where he hasn't stayed in contact with a target (Zeigler) who might wait until late Spring to decide.

I think it's more than covering his bases. What I have read indicates that he will take 5 if the right player commit. He's got the offers extended. There's no indication of him keeping in contact in case a scholarship opens up. It's him out there trying to commits for available scholarships.

MurphyGreen · 08-22-2009, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by intrpdtrvlr

This discussion is running in circles. Let's shut it down.

Thank you. I've finally found the perfect quote for my 'signature'. This pertains to so much of what is the rcmb.

VolSpartan · 08-23-2009, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by bpmcgant

I think it's more than covering his bases. What I have read indicates that he will take 5 if the right player commit. He's got the offers extended. There's no indication of him keeping in contact in case a scholarship opens up. It's him out there trying to commits for available scholarships.

The scholarships are out there, but he also realizes there aren't 2 players that are ready to commit. He's pushing for commits, but Zeigler is waiting and will probably play for his dad, Horford seems to be heading south, and Payne is a big question mark. Izzo would obviously love to have any of the 3, but it is actually more likely that none of the 3 recruits left commit to MSU.

Edit: I've now read from 2 sources that Payne is down to WVU and MSU. That would be great news if true, but I'd wait to hear it from Payne himself. The kid doesn't give anyone info, not even his coach.