tOfficial 2010 Basketball Recruiting Thread

burnsmi4 · 09-20-2008, 11:12 PM

I thought we had a 2010 recruiting thread but i could be wrong. Anyways this is the list of players scout had as official visits today. I am sure there were more not on officials.

Justin Martin
Ray McCallum
Trey Zeigler
Keith Appling
Jon Horford
Alex Gauna
Isaiah Sykes

intrpdtrvlr · 09-20-2008, 11:30 PM

With Appling's commitment, we don't have room at PG to actively pursue McCallum, do we? I have an anxiety about nearly half the future roster being 6-3 or under.
If we end up having only 3 scholarships for '10, taking Appling and two more wings/guards sounds questionable, doesn't it?

I'm definitely rooting for a "Appling, Byrd or Ziegler, and quality big" class.

burnsmi4 · 09-28-2008, 05:34 PM

Cody Larson commits to Iowa

Ht: 6-9 Wt: 225
Position: SF
Year: Class of 2010
AAU Team: Dakota Schoolers
High School: Roosevelt HS
(Sioux Falls, SD)

Scout.com: Cody Larson Profile

Cody Larson - Basketball Recruiting

TripleGreen · 10-03-2008, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by StatsETC

I know AA doesn't want us getting to far ahead, so rather than start a player thread or an official 2011 recruiting thread, I'll just post this here for the time being.

Lakewood St. Edward, a.k.a. Delvon Roe's HS, is home to another absolute stud in the class of 2011. Zach Price is receiving interest from a plethora of schools including MSU and (you guessed it) already has an offer from Thad. Have to keep an eye on this one as OSU hasn't done so well with St. Ed's in recent years and

& Co. seem to be as strong there as anyone.

The 2011 recruiting thread is right near the top of the board?

http://www.spartantailgate.com/forum...ng-thread.html

Stats · 10-03-2008, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by TripleGreen

The 2011 recruiting thread is right near the top of the board?

http://www.spartantailgate.com/forum...ng-thread.html

Whoops. I just scanned down the list of threads real quick and didn't even notice it because it wasn't prefaced with "tOfficial"

Thanks!

burnsmi4 · 10-06-2008, 10:19 PM

4-star Anthony Johnson commits to Purdue

Scout.com: Anthony Johnson Profile

burnsmi4 · 10-07-2008, 11:48 PM

Michigan fans can start their bitching. Nate Lubick commits to Georgetown

Old Hort · 10-08-2008, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by burnsmi4

Michigan fans can start their bitching. Nate Lubick commits to Georgetown

Boy, that one has got to hurt. I go on the scUM bball boards sometimes to laugh at their belief that they will be on top of the Big Ten in a couple years...

Almost to a man, those posters believed Lubick was signed, sealed, and delivered. There was not talk of if he commits, it was always when. They also thought Lubick, with "Magic" Morris were going to get Zeigler to commit, which would inevitably lead to Kearney.

You can taste the disillusionment on those boards at this point.

intrpdtrvlr · 03-11-2009, 10:15 AM

Perhaps we can move our discussion out of the Barnes thread and bounce opinions and thoughts in this one instead?

The two-man 2009 class is a good bridge to the future but I think these last 2010 scholarships are very important. There's no reason to believe that our success will magically reproduce itself if we don't get some more quality contributors. Moving from 2009 to 2010, I don't think these two scholarships are in the realm of Wilson/Strickland "luxury recruits" anymore. Perhaps that my main point; we're legitimately talking "needs," now. Allen, Summers will be seniors in 2010 and Lucas may already have jumped.

What's next? Any thoughts on best case scenarios to finish 2010?

The Armchair Quarterback · 03-11-2009, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by intrpdtrvlr

Perhaps we can move our discussion out of the Barnes thread and bounce opinions and thoughts in this one instead?

The two-man 2009 class is a good bridge to the future but I think these last 2010 scholarships are very important. There's no reason to believe that our success will magically reproduce itself if we don't get some more quality contributors. Moving from 2009 to 2010, I don't think these two scholarships are in the realm of Wilson/Strickland "luxury recruits" anymore. Perhaps that my main point; we're legitimately talking "needs," now. Allen, Summers will be seniors in 2010 and Lucas may already have jumped.

What's next? Any thoughts on best case scenarios to finish 2010?

Who is calling Wilson/Strickland luxury recruits. I'm pretty sure UNC doesn't consider Strickland a luxury. We need talent and 5 star talent. Wilson was a must, not a luxury.

I'm pretty sure Izzo busted his ass to get Wilson and when he didn't, "ahh, its ok, he was a luxury we didn't need." Whoever said these kids were luxury recruits is not taking their meds. Izzo aint recruiting these kids for a luxury. OMG

spartanNTX · 03-11-2009, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by The Armchair Quarterback

Who is calling Wilson/Strickland luxury recruits. I'm pretty sure UNC doesn't consider Strickland a luxury. We need talent and 5 star talent. Wilson was a must, not a luxury.

A must? What a joke. So is it your prediction that we don't make the tourney next year? Should we scrap the program?

spewing oil · 03-11-2009, 12:03 PM

Wilson may not have been a must but we do need a SF badly.

Old Hort · 03-11-2009, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Armchair Quarterback

Who is calling Wilson/Strickland luxury recruits. I'm pretty sure UNC doesn't consider Strickland a luxury. We need talent and 5 star talent. Wilson was a must, not a luxury.

I'm pretty sure Izzo busted his ass to get Wilson and when he didn't, "ahh, its ok, he was a luxury we didn't need." Whoever said these kids were luxury recruits is not taking their meds. Izzo aint recruiting these kids for a luxury. OMG

Yep, that was me. And, these kids were "luxury" recruits, as in, they were not definite needs for the class they were being recruited for. Strickland was too talented not to go hard after, and the same for Wilson. They have superstar potential. But, they were not "needs" to fill holes from the roster in the year they were recruited. Strickland is a college PG. We recruited Luscious for 08, and have Lucas from 07. A PG was not a top priority for this class, and hence we went for no more PGs with that spot. Instead, we went for Appling in '10, and we got him. He will take Walton's place, sit behind a Senior Lucas and a Junior Luscious, and be the PG of the future.

Wilson is the same way. To state he was a luxury recruit does not mean that Izzo did not want him, or that he was not talented. It means that he is not a make or break recruit for the class he is recruited for. If Roe would have gone to UNC, that would have killed. He was a high need recruit, because we needed a talented/skilled PF for that class.Hence, as soon as we started to see Roe slipping away, we started to recruit Ed Davis and Howard Thompkins for the PF spot. With Wilson going elsewhere, Izzo had no back up plan because it was not a necessity. You have Lucas, Luscious, Allen, Thornton, Dahlman, Summers, and Raymar as wings/Guards for '09. Wilson would have broken into that group, and taken minutes from Dahlman and Thornton. However, he probably would not have gotten more than 10/15 minutes a game. Now, with Wilson deciding on Ore, you bank it for '10. In 2010, the Wing SG/SF will become a necessity. If that recruit is Zeigler, Sykes, or someone else, we will see.

The Armchair Quarterback · 03-11-2009, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by spartanNTX

A must? What a joke. So is it your prediction that we don't make the tourney next year? Should we scrap the program?

Please tell Izzo we didn't really need this kid and see what he thinks. I forget, Izzo recruits these kids because he has extra time on his hands and Texas and Oregon really didn't need him either. Texas was ready to boot a scrub off their team to get Wilson.

Please email Izzo and let him know that all his time and effort was all for nothing because we really didn't need these kids.

Old Hort · 03-11-2009, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Armchair Quarterback

Please tell Izzo we didn't really need this kid and see what he thinks. I forget, Izzo recruits these kids because he has extra time on his hands and Texas and Oregon really didn't need him either. Texas was ready to boot a scrub off their team to get Wilson.

Please email Izzo and let him know that all his time and effort was all for nothing because we really didn't need these kids.

Are you reading my posts at all? Of course, Izzo wanted Wilson. There is no denying that. But, Wilson was the only SF/SG left on the board, and the only guy being recruited for that position in the 09 class. Howell, Glenn Bryant, and Noel Johnson were all names we had heard for this spot, but they were never seriously pushed for. Hence, you have to assume Izzo was thinking that you take Wilson for 09 if you can get him, and if not, you wait for the 2010 class to fill the spot.

Think about it this way: Who has graduated in the last two years, next year, and who has been recruited.

Grads: PG/SG Neitzel, PF/C Naymick, PG/SG Walton, PF/C Suton, C Ibok, PF Gray.

Recruits: PG/SG Luscious, PF Roe, PF Green, PF/C Sherman, C Nix (and SG/SF Thornton as pref. walk-on RS)

Not one SG/SF was lost to grad in the last two years, and we brought in a RS Frosh SF/SG in Thornton. Those guys who are graduating next year will be SF/PF Raymar, and SF Dahlman. We have Appling PG/SG to replace Walton, and a SG/SF in Byrd to replace Dahlman. Now, we need a SF/PF to replace Raymar for '10. Wilson would have been that guy, but come on board a year early. Again, Wilson was not a "need", he was a luxury. The guy we take to replace Raymar will be a "need", though he may not be as talented as Wilson is.

spartanNTX · 03-11-2009, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by The Armchair Quarterback

Please tell Izzo we didn't really need this kid and see what he thinks. I forget, Izzo recruits these kids because he has extra time on his hands and Texas and Oregon really didn't need him either. Texas was ready to boot a scrub off their team to get Wilson.

Please email Izzo and let him know that all his time and effort was all for nothing because we really didn't need these kids.

You can't recruit big time talents if you aren't prepared to lose them. Part of the reason our program has been so successful is that, like in chess, TI is able to prepare for multiple recruiting scenarios based on differing outcomes. I mentioned this in the other thread- I guarantee that TI recruited Strickland, Roe, and Wilson with the full understanding that he was probably going to strike out with each of them. I am sure it still stings though that 95% of the effort spent on the recruiting trail is all for naught.

intrpdtrvlr · 03-11-2009, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Hort

Now, we need a SF/PF to replace Raymar for '10. Wilson would have been that guy, but come on board a year early.

Despite all this hostile bantering, that's my main point. It seems like we now need a SF to replace Raymar in '10, exactly as you say. A SF in '09 is more important if you don't have an equally talented and interested Plan B in 2010. That's why I think it's misleading to view Wilson with so much emphasis on his value to next year's team.

I understand we're a long shot for Ziegler and that Sykes is not clearly more hype than game.
Seems we really could use another true big as well.

Where are these players going to come from? It doesn't look full of promise yet.

The Armchair Quarterback · 03-12-2009, 12:13 PM

Supposedly Mike Belotti is going to take the Oregon AD job this spring but Oregon wants the current AD to do the dirty work and fire Ernie Kent so that Belotti can name the new coach. Could Jamil still come to MSU if this happens.

robin586 · 03-12-2009, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by The Armchair Quarterback

Supposedly Mike Belotti is going to take the Oregon AD job this spring but Oregon wants the current AD to do the dirty work and fire Ernie Kent so that Belotti can name the new coach. Could Jamil still come to MSU if this happens.

I think that could depend on whether Jamil signed his papers already

intrpdtrvlr · 03-12-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by robin586

I think that could depend on whether Jamil signed his papers already

I thought it was pretty clear from the articles that he has not. He can't officially sign until the late period begins in April, right?

Stats · 03-12-2009, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by The Armchair Quarterback

Supposedly Mike Belotti is going to take the Oregon AD job this spring but Oregon wants the current AD to do the dirty work and fire Ernie Kent so that Belotti can name the new coach. Could Jamil still come to MSU if this happens.

MSU will not re-recruit him. That isn't to say that he can't crawl back to EL and beg for a letter of intent, and subsequently have that request granted and ultimately end up in EL, but

won't pursue him.

Brian1 · 03-12-2009, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by spewing oil

Wilson may not have been a must but we do need a SF badly.

We got Dion Sims. He might be important.

Spartan_MD · 03-13-2009, 05:49 PM

As per Spartan Mag podcast, I'd be very surprised to see I. Sykes end up at MSU....

The Armchair Quarterback · 03-13-2009, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Spartan_MD

As per Spartan Mag podcast, I'd be very surprised to see I. Sykes end up at MSU....

why is that

Old Hort · 03-13-2009, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by The Armchair Quarterback

why is that

Did not listen to the pod-cast, but it is probably because he was not quite the talent that his coach hyped him up to be. I think Steve Bell has him as the seventh best 2010 prospect in Michigan. Not exactly the five star talent that the hype promised.