Izzo's gang no longer green giant...

[State Pub]

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it had to be said

[SpartyScott]

I just shamelessly copied / pasted onto another board.

[jdbmst3k]

must've been real easy to miss this thread

[Ocho Cinco]

Perhaps the most ignorant and misguided piece in journalism history.

[AUAlum06]

[mentalstate]

So, what did the editor say to him before he wrote this? "Jim, please go and sit in your bedroom, lie down on your bed and look up to the ceiling at the poster you have there of Chris Webber, then, once you're done with your business, write something."

[mitch cumstein]

Originally Posted by mentalstate

So, what did the editor say to him before he wrote this? "Jim, please go and sit in your bedroom, lie down on your bed and look up to the ceiling at the poster you have there of Chris Webber, then, once you're done with your business, write something."

actually it probably went like this:

jim: hey boss....i'm really struggling with this piece you want me to write.

editor: jesus, jim....just make something up! its not like most michigan fans can read anyway.

[132 Snyder]

Originally Posted by victory4msu*

Coach K has time to make loads of commercials and his program wasnt doing to bad last time i checked.

[Mr. Tanfan]

[dwags]

I wrote to Carty Last March. Got a response from him. Here it is. I also posted his response last March in regards to this article.

http://www.spartantailgate.com/forum...ight=Jim+Carty



Got a response from Carty of the AA news

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Like I said earlier, I don't like emailing crap like that, but I just think Izzo is the classiest guy out there, and when Andy reprited Carty's article I thought I'd resend it to him. All I did was copy his article and say "hey, your wisdom was astounding".

Anyway, here's his response:

XXXXX,

I can't tell you what a wonderful compliment it is to have so many
Spartan fans still obsessing over one of my columns more than three
years after it was published!

Obviously someone reposted the column, huh? Probably
Spartantailgate.com, although I haven't had a chance to check.

Strangely enough, none of my readers wearing green and white seems to be
giving me credit for being the only guy to correctly call that the
Spartans had peaked (the days of three final fours in four years sure
are long gone, huh? looked at that record vs. the Top 25 recently?)

And, yes, things aren't looking good for me on the Michigan end of the
column, but I'm not quite ready to give up on my prediction yet. What I
will promise is that if the Wolverines don't pass the Spartans in the
Big Ten standings next year, I'll be happy to admit I was wrong.

In the meantime, good luck in Chicago this weekend and the tournament
afterward.

And, as I said, thanks for the compliment!

Jim Carty
Sports Columnist, The Ann Arbor News

[Stubarino]

Dawgs, now is when you resend the article again with a picture of the Final Four banner from last year

What a jackass

Originally Posted by dwags

I wrote to Carty Last March. Got a response from him. Here it is. I also posted his response last March in regards to this article.

http://www.spartantailgate.com/forum...ight=Jim+Carty



Got a response from Carty of the AA news

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Like I said earlier, I don't like emailing crap like that, but I just think Izzo is the classiest guy out there, and when Andy reprited Carty's article I thought I'd resend it to him. All I did was copy his article and say "hey, your wisdom was astounding".

Anyway, here's his response:

XXXXX,

I can't tell you what a wonderful compliment it is to have so many
Spartan fans still obsessing over one of my columns more than three
years after it was published!

Obviously someone reposted the column, huh? Probably
Spartantailgate.com, although I haven't had a chance to check.

Strangely enough, none of my readers wearing green and white seems to be
giving me credit for being the only guy to correctly call that the
Spartans had peaked (the days of three final fours in four years sure
are long gone, huh? looked at that record vs. the Top 25 recently?)

And, yes, things aren't looking good for me on the Michigan end of the
column, but I'm not quite ready to give up on my prediction yet. What I
will promise is that if the Wolverines don't pass the Spartans in the
Big Ten standings next year, I'll be happy to admit I was wrong.

In the meantime, good luck in Chicago this weekend and the tournament
afterward.

And, as I said, thanks for the compliment!

Jim Carty
Sports Columnist, The Ann Arbor News

[Rule Spartannia]

That column, while funny (in a pathetic sort of way), still makes me want to punch that smug little gasbag right in the liver.

[Tom Hagen]

(the days of three final fours in four years sure
are long gone, huh? looked at that record vs. the Top 25 recently?)

oh this just makes me giggle.....I am getting a kick out of this guy...do you think he has ever picked up a basketball?? My guess is he looks and acts like one of those...you know.....sissy boys.

[SpartanButter]

Originally Posted by dwags

Strangely enough, none of my readers wearing green and white seems to be
giving me credit for being the only guy to correctly call that the
Spartans had peaked (the days of three final fours in four years sure
are long gone, huh? looked at that record vs. the Top 25 recently?)

Does this tool actually know how many programs have gone to 3 straight final fours in the modern era?


I am waiting for someone in this thread to tell me how there is zero bias in the Detroit media, Vince 56, anyone, Bueller?

[ilang]

The two best parts of this:

Originally Posted by Andy_H

It's starting already here. Amaker may have already found his own Cleaves in Texas guard Daniel Horton.



The Fab Five were a national story. Every little kid with a pair of Jordans and a hoop in his neighborhood knew C Webb and the boys.
A lot of those kids are now going to the Nike or ABCD camps, and they remember those years.

Comparing Horton to Cleaves is a joke.

And the funny thing about the second comment is that now you have guys like Chris Allen, from Georgia, coming to State. He recently talked about how he drew a picture of himself as a Spartan when he was in 5th grade, which would have been 6-7 years ago, right when MSU was in their consecutive final four streak. Kids who are currently in those Nike camps probably became aware of big time college sports when MSU was totally dominant. They are far too young to remember the fab five. So I guess MSU made a little more noise than outside of just Flint. Count on it.

[Big Doug]

Thanks for posting this classic column.

[Ocho Cinco]

Carty is a smug ass. He wrote another column insulting Smoker prior to a MSU-UM game, stating something like Navre should have got into trouble with the law to get the praise that Smoker was getting. The guy is an utter moronic hack.

I love when a journalist fires back with the perception that writing them is a compliment because you are reading their article -- no actually, its a response to pure stupidity that due to some unknown reason that person was allowed to be member of the media.

Its the likes of Carty who give that profession a bad name.

[msuferd]

What an assbag. I second the notion to send the article back to him (and his response to Dawgs) with a picture of last years final four banner.

[mighty mouth]

While this article makes me chuckle and chortle everytime I read it....

Think about when it was written...we were in the middle of a 5 loss big ten season...and I think everyone was wondering if we had one good "team" or if we were building a "program".

Losing games to Northwestern because a half-talent like Marcus Taylor has a concussion did not bode well for us.

I will go to my grave believing that Anderson, Hill, Torbert, and Bograkos are as responsible for making us a program as Cleaves, Bell, Mopete, and Granger.

By making a final four last year, they proved all the doubters (like Carty) wrong.

But when Carty wrote this, there was a real possibility of not even going to the NCAA tournament. We had to scrap and claw our way into the tournament 3 out of the 4 years those guys were there.

Do you realize that if Mo Ager doesn't hit that bomb 3 ptr and send the Minnesota game to overtime two years ago...we probably don't even get to lose in the first round to Nevada?

This article made me angry 4 years ago...and it looks foolish now...but frankly, Carty was perilously close to being spot on. An injury here or there...ya never know.

[David Giard]

Here is the part that cracks me up.

The University of Michigan, meanwhile, is this state's historically dominant basketball program, and Michigan kids will flock here over any other option if the Wolverines are decent.

I keep running into um fans who somehow believe it is their manifest destiny to get every good recruit in every sport. They deserve this because of the name on the building.

Forget about a great coach or a tradition of winning without cheating or a history of actually graduating players or kids staying out of trouble. The best kids in Michigan will simply "flock" to um as soon as the program gets to a decent level. How arrogant can people get?

[dwags]

Originally Posted by mighty mouth

Do you realize that if Mo Ager doesn't hit that bomb 3 ptr and send the Minnesota game to overtime two years ago...we probably don't even get to lose in the first round to Nevada?

This article made me angry 4 years ago...and it looks foolish now...but frankly, Carty was perilously close to being spot on. An injury here or there...ya never know.

And Magic team in 79 almost didn't make the NCAA's. And this and that, and what if's and almosts.

Here's the bottom line. Carty was wrong then, he's an idiot now. He wrote me a letter stating he would apologize if MSU was ahead of Michigan in this years standings. Think he will? I"m betting no. He's a homer.

If you "predict" the end of a program, a team or whatever long enough, one year you'll be right. Hell if Wob Parker keeps saying Izzo is leaving he'll be right once. That's not the point. The point is Carty is not a journalist, he's a homer, a Michigan homer and it's pathetic. Just another Ann Arbor sychophant who has his nose up the rear of the Michigan athletic department. So be it.

[Andy_H]

Originally Posted by Andy_H