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 Gunson is starting to do the math.
If all the above are out, and it's not Shurmur, we literally might be back at square one. How many weeks do you think that would drag out then? How many recruits would stick around? How many other jobs (like Miami) would we be competing with? |
Trevor, recruits can't sign with anyone until early February! Further, a top recruit who decommits is more likely to recommit if MSU hires a heavy duty coach vs. Brian Kelly. It's counterproductive to settle for a coach because you're worried about verbals in November. Much better to focus on the best possible coach now, who can get the signatures on LOI's in early February.  
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11-24-2006, 08:46 PM
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yes lets get a sure fire assistant coach like DeBord,or Darnell or somebody else who hasnt won a single game as a head coach..or when they get the chance pee the sheets...no thanks..i will take a leader thats led over any naggy followers anytime
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Roundhead, if the best MSU can get is Dubord or Darnell or someone of that level, it doesn't matter anyway. Why do you want guys like that?
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11-24-2006, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Trevor Barnes
Believe what you want. My feelings honestly won't be hurt. I'd love to hear your list of alternatives though assuming what I wrote was correct. Let me start your list for you...
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Exactly.
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Lots of folks that ridicule the idea of moral victories, don't take the same approach with real wins.
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11-24-2006, 08:47 PM
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Trevor, recruits can't sign with anyone until early February! Further, a top recruit who decommits is more likely to recommit if MSU hires a heavy duty coach vs. Brian Kelly. It's counterproductive to settle for a coach because you're worried about verbals in November. Much better to focus on the best possible coach now, who can get the signatures on LOI's in early February. |
I hate to say this, but this post is delusional.
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Lots of folks that ridicule the idea of moral victories, don't take the same approach with real wins.
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11-24-2006, 08:48 PM
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When was there word that Dantonio was out of the running?
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He's probably not, but you don't hear much buzz about him do you?
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11-24-2006, 08:50 PM
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Trevor, recruits can't sign with anyone until early February! Further, a top recruit who decommits is more likely to recommit if MSU hires a heavy duty coach vs. Brian Kelly. It's counterproductive to settle for a coach because you're worried about verbals in November. Much better to focus on the best possible coach now, who can get the signatures on LOI's in early February. |
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I hate to say this, but this post is delusional.
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Sorry, but I gotta go with VB on this one.
And again, what list of best coaches do you have up your sleeve spartan80?
Shurmur and...?
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11-24-2006, 09:07 PM
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Believe what you want. My feelings honestly won't be hurt. I'd love to hear your list of alternatives though assuming what I wrote was correct. Let me start your list for you...
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Don't attribute a bad Shurmur hire to someone who thinks Kelly is a big mistake, and suggest it's the only alternative. That's 100% B.S.
I have the good sense to admit I don't know who LKS & Izzo have on their map, who they've already spoken to, who they like or what their plan is. With 120 D1 schools of HC's and coordinators, and the list of NFL coordinators, MSU's choice IS NOT Brian Kelly OR Shurmur, and it's pretty silly to suggest that. 
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11-24-2006, 09:09 PM
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because they are BCS coordinators that everybody thinks is what we need(Pellini,Strong et al)..and they both couldnt get it done as head coaches in the MAC(and do great jobs as coordinators).....i put a lot of stock in being a HEAD COACH...anywhere..and then winning year in and year out...that shows you are smarter than the others you are getting paid to beat...i put a lot of stock in that...an assistant is just that,there to assist
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So why do you leave the good ones like Pellini & Strong off the list, and substitute the failures?
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11-24-2006, 09:09 PM
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11-24-2006, 09:10 PM
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I hate to say this, but this post is delusional.
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No more so than thinking Kelly is ready to turn MSU's football program around when Nick Saban couldn't do it!
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11-24-2006, 09:11 PM
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With 120 D1 schools of HC's and coordinators, and the list of NFL coordinators, MSU's choice IS NOT Brian Kelly OR Shurmur, and it's pretty silly to suggest that. |
You keep believing that there, chucky.
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Lots of folks that ridicule the idea of moral victories, don't take the same approach with real wins.
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11-24-2006, 09:12 PM
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No more so than thinking Kelly is ready to turn MSU's football program around when Nick Saban couldn't do it! |
Like it or not, you better get on board.
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11-24-2006, 09:12 PM
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Don't attribute a bad Shurmur hire to someone who thinks Kelly is a big mistake, and suggest it's the only alternative. That's 100% B.S.
I have the good sense to admit I don't know who LKS & Izzo have on their map, who they've already spoken to, who they like or what their plan is. With 120 D1 schools of HC's and coordinators, and the list of NFL coordinators, MSU's choice IS NOT Brian Kelly OR Shurmur, and it's pretty silly to suggest that. |
So who else is an alternative short of starting over?
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11-24-2006, 09:13 PM
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If Kelly takes the ISU job, with all of the others falling by the wayside, Izzo may have to take over as HC, that is unless Gus Ganakas is interested 
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11-24-2006, 09:30 PM
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So who else is an alternative short of starting over?
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I have no idea, I'm not part of the search committee. Neither are you, so you don't really have any clue either.
That said, I'm pretty confident it's not a choice between Shurmur and Kelly with no other alternatives.
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11-24-2006, 10:11 PM
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Sorry, but I gotta go with VB on this one.
And again, what list of best coaches do you have up your sleeve spartan80?
Shurmur and...?
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You said yourslef that the only thing saying Dantonio is out is a "lack of buzz". Now I'm not saying we aren't going to screw this up and end up with Shurmur but you and VB are freakin laughable with all this speculation. Seriously
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11-24-2006, 10:18 PM
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I have no idea, I'm not part of the search committee. Neither are you, so you don't really have any clue either.
That said, I'm pretty confident it's not a choice between Shurmur and Kelly with no other alternatives. |
I'm glad you're confident. That makes me feel much better.
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11-24-2006, 10:23 PM
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You said yourslef that the only thing saying Dantonio is out is a "lack of buzz". Now I'm not saying we aren't going to screw this up and end up with Shurmur but you and VB are freakin laughable with all this speculation. Seriously |
Believe what you want. I trust who I've talked to. Seriously
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11-24-2006, 10:26 PM
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Believe what you want. I trust who I've talked to. Seriously |
Were those same people saying we were going to hire Slappy? My guess is the answer is no since that took everyone by total suprise.
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I was thinking the same, but now I am worried that it would mean we hire Shurmur. Sucks that is appears to be coming down to Kelly and Shurmur.
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11-24-2006, 10:33 PM
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I was thinking the same, but now I am worried that it would mean we hire Shurmur. Sucks that is appears to be coming down to Kelly and Shurmur.
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In this sentence sucks could be interchanged with "expected" or "appropriate" Our football program is so f-ing pathetic.
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11-24-2006, 10:36 PM
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11-24-2006, 10:36 PM
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In this sentence sucks could be interchanged with "expected" or "appropriate" Our football program is so f-ing pathetic.
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And to think when we started this search all we heard was how great of a job this was. 3 current or previous NFL coachs called about the position. All this and we end up hiring a guy with no BCS exp. Maybe it ends up being a great hire, however it is not the risk I would take.
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