What would you give Izzo's recruiting and what grade...

In a pylon st8ofmind · 01-31-2007, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Long Duk Dong

What the **** is your standard for an elite player?! The guy is among the leading candidates for POTY in the Big 10 and is essentially carrying the team on his back.

A) must be black.

B) Must be able to consistently create your own shot vs nearly any player.

Ozymandias · 01-31-2007, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by PipersFly

and probably shouldn't be allowed to recruit bigs on his own. Maybe they could send the coach from LCC along, or even Comley. He seems able to judge talent. Or maybe Zeke could go if his ACL has healed enough. Just don't send Buttermaker alone.

stfu scatmuncher

atlspartan73 · 01-31-2007, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by AASpartan

I keep forgetting what a giant ********* PipersFly is...my bad.

But think about how genius it is to put the Bad News Bears comment and Buttermaker together

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AASpartan · 01-31-2007, 01:46 PM

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But think about how genius it is to put the Bad News Bears comment and Buttermaker together

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PipersFly and "genius" should never be in the same sentence. He's probably the only MSU "fan" in the world who thinks that Izzo should go coach somewhere else.

MSU02-OSU05 · 01-31-2007, 01:52 PM

Getting back to whether any of our recruits with be an McD AA, remember that Allen is tearing up the competition in Georgia right now and could move up. Also, Bill Walker is still ranked on there and is already playing colllege ball. Anybody else on the list ineligible (Mayo)?

The Truman Show · 01-31-2007, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by AASpartan

PipersFly and "genius" should never be in the same sentence. He's probably the only MSU "fan" in the world who thinks that Izzo should go coach somewhere else.

don't forget how much he supports JLS's fight against the clock rules!

Ozymandias · 01-31-2007, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AASpartan

PipersFly and "genius" should never be in the same sentence. He's probably the only MSU "fan" in the world who thinks that Izzo should go coach somewhere else.

Is it wrong that sometimes I think it would be fun to do to him what Beecher did to Schillinger in the weight room in "Oz"?

NorCal Spartan · 01-31-2007, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by st8ofmind

Do you think Coach Izzo himself would give these classes?

06

Isaiah Dahlman	SF	6-6	175	-	Braham, MN
Tom Herzog	C	6-11	215	-	Flint, MI
Raymar Morgan	SF	6-7	210	-	Canton, OH

It's too early to grade this class, but I will based on potential. Herzog is a redshirt and Morgan and Dahlman have had injuries this season. It's clear that Morgan has serious talent. Dahlman is an incredibly smart player and should be a solid program player who can score. Herzog is tearing up practices, but so did Delco reportedly. Either way, Herzog is long, should be able to defend and, unlike some bigs, shouldn't be a total liability on offense. This class stopped the three year recruiting downturn.

Grade: A-

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Originally Posted by st8ofmind

05

Maurice Joseph	SG		6-5	180	-		St. Lambert, Que.
Travis Walton	PG		6-2	185	-		Lima, OH

Walton is steady, has minimal turnovers, and plays great defense. Mojo was a disaster last year. This year he's playing much better, but still is injury prone and inconsistent. With the 2007 class, I'm not sure what happens to his minutes.

Devendorf's decommit is well known. But Izzo lost out on some other players who would help. Would Wilson Chandler help? I know he had several red flags, but so did Zach Randolph. He would like nice on the front line. Losing out on Ryan Wright to UCLA doesn't seem like a huge loss for now. How would this team look with Dominic James running the point?

Grade: B-

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04

Marquise Gray	SF	6-8	215	6.0	Flint, MI
Idong Ibok	C	6-10	260	-	Legos-Nigeria, OU
Drew Neitzel	PG	6-0	160	5.7	Wyoming, MI
Goran Suton	C	6-10	250	5.7	Lansing, MI

Neitzel is an excellent player. Granted some defense issues remain, but he's a solid clutch performer. Good recruit. Gray has potential and the injuries may have slowed down his growth. At times this season he has looks great. Then against better opponents he looks lost. I doubt he lives up to his 5* billing and #6 SF, but he should have a good career at MSU. Suton is the single most frustrating player I've ever watched. He seems to get it at times, then other times plays like Graham Brown with a blindfold on. Ibok plays good defense, but brings nothing to the table on offense. Maybe bank his scholarship for next year?

The class is the first of an unusual class for Izzo. There are some lower rated players. For various reasons, including the fact that some didn't want to play for MSU, Izzo lost out on Malik Hairston, Joe Crawford, Shaun Pruitt, and, most importantly, Al Horford (rated #7 PF). Since the bigs are part of the problem, you have to blame this class. Although looking at other big men available, there wasn't much. In hindsight losing Horford was significant. I understand the UM decommit and Izzo not wanting to go there, but he's turned out to be a great player. One that would help MSU.

Grade: B-

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Originally Posted by st8ofmind

03

Shannon Brown	SG		6-4	185	-		Maywood, IL
Drew Naymick	C		6-10	230	-		Muskegon, MI

Shannon was a great Spartan. He would be incredible on the team this year. Naymick has struggled with injuries and struggled with his game. He at times looks like it's slowly coming together and then things like the game yesterday happen. The third member of this class was Brandon Cotton. Hindsight being 20/20, Izzo could have went after Brandon Jenkins, who has had a serviceable career at Louisville. Not signing Olu Famutimi looks smart in hindsight, but he wouldn't have come here.

Grade: C (including Cotton in the grade)

I dunno. This 2006 and 2007 classes look strong after a few year downturn.

Dorian · 01-31-2007, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by NorCal Spartan

Walton is steady, has minimal turnovers, and plays great defense. Mojo was a disaster last year. This year he's playing much better, but still is injury prone, inconsistent. With the 2006 class, I'm not sure what happens to his minutes.

Devendorf's decommit is well known. But Izzo lost out on some other players who would help. Would Wilson Chandler help? I know he had several red flags, but so did Zach Randolph. He would like nice on the front line. Losing out on Ryan Wright to UCLA doesn't seem like a huge loss for now. How would this team look with Dominic James running the point?

Grade: B-

This class hurt, and is a C- at best. In all honesty what was Tom doing this year?

green and white for life · 01-31-2007, 09:28 PM

Just for example...How many of you were in love with AJ Granger when he was a frosh/soph, because I know I was not. He turned out to be one of my favorite Spartans of all time. Neitzel wasn't anything special up until this year, partly because of who he was playing with, but the verdict was still out on him up until this year when he started playing all big ten basketball. You've got to give kids like Gray and Suton to finish their careers here to put a grade on them.

SpartanGold · 01-31-2007, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dorian

This class hurt, and is a C- at best. In all honesty what was Tom doing this year?

It is very tough to recruit guards when they are looking at Ager, Brown, Neitzel and during the recruiting process Cotton was still committed. Walton is a solid recruit and has turned out to be MORE than a program player.

It seems that most on this board expect MSU to just roll out the carpet and the five stars will come rolling in..

Personally, I enjoy watching Izzo's teams built with a few stars and solid contributions from upper classmen. The national title team was built this way.

I'm not sure Izzo wants to load the team with diaper dandies.. tough to get those guys to play defense

Stubarino · 02-01-2007, 12:32 AM

What rankings are those posted for our 07 class? Which service?

I thought all of the major ones had all 3 in the top 35?

In a pylon st8ofmind · 02-01-2007, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Stubarino

What rankings are those posted for our 07 class? Which service?

I thought all of the major ones had all 3 in the top 35?

Not really, this is Rivals, which is probably the most accurate???

They are not lock NBA early entry talents, but they are all extraordinarily good fro the scheme.

Allen is like a poor man's Shannon Brown but with more ball skills and a deadly J.

Lucas is a little piece of iron PG who can pretty much penetrate at will and shoot from the outside. He can finish above the rim @ 6'1"

Summers may end up being the best of them all, he's very smooth, A slightly less athletic JRich but longer and more slight, probably a more 'finished product' that JRich was when he walked onto campus though.

Most importantly all these guys can run like the wind and probably defend multiple positions.

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31	Chris Allen Lawrenceville (GA) Meadowcreek	G	6-3/185	Michigan State
	Smooth shooter who knows how to create his shot.
32	Austin Daye Irvine (CA) Woodbridge	F	6-9/184	Gonzaga
	Father was a pro and this skilled forward also has a chance to play in the NBA.
33	LaceDarius Dunn Monroe (LA) Excelsior Christian	G	6-4/190	Baylor
	Powerful guard who knows how to score.
34	James Anderson Junction City (AR) Junction City	F	6-5/190	Oklahoma State
	Multi-dimensional forward makes winning plays.
35	Taylor King Santa Ana (CA) Mater Dei	F	6-7/215	Duke
	Can both shoot it from deep and rebound underneath.
36	Corperryale Harris Detroit (MI) Redford	G	6-4/170	Michigan the dirty Whores
	Slippery guard has impressive instincts.
37	E'twaun Moore East Chicago (IN) East Chicago Central	G	6-3/170	Purdue
	Solid combo guard has no significant weakness.
38	Alex Legion Mouth of Wilson (VA) Oak Hill Academy	G	6-4/200	Michigan the dirty Whores
	Big guard who knows how to score.
39	Kalin Lucas Orchard Lake (MI) St. Mary's Prep	G	6-0/165	Michigan State
	Pushes the tempo with the best of them.

54	Durrell Summers Redford (MI) Covenant		F	6-5/195	Michigan State
	Dangerous offensive rebounder from the wing.

In a pylon st8ofmind · 02-01-2007, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SpartanGold

It is very tough to recruit guards when they are looking at Ager, Brown, Neitzel and during the recruiting process Cotton was still committed. Walton is a solid recruit and has turned out to be MORE than a program player.

It seems that most on this board expect MSU to just roll out the carpet and the five stars will come rolling in..

Personally, I enjoy watching Izzo's teams built with a few stars and solid contributions from upper classmen. The national title team was built this way.

I'm not sure Izzo wants to load the team with diaper dandies.. tough to get those guys to play defense

How can anybody knock Walton?

He is rock solid, is constantly improving and is only a true soph. Easily the best defender since CBell. And that is saying something.

Stubarino · 02-01-2007, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by st8ofmind

Not really, this is Rivals, which is probably the most accurate???

They are not lock NBA early entry talents, but they are all extraordinarily good fro the scheme.

Allen is like a poor man's Shannon Brown but with more ball skills and a deadly J.

Lucas is a little piece of iron PG who can pretty much penetrate at will and shoot from the outside. He can finish above the rim @ 6'1"

Summers may end up being the best of them all, he's very smooth, A slightly less athletic JRich but longer and more slight, probably a more 'finished product' that JRich was when he walked onto campus though.

Most importantly all these guys can run like the wind and probably defend multiple positions.

I must have just not looked close enough. I could swear at one point Summers was higher ranked then the other two....

finbib · 02-01-2007, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by degreedo

I honestly think that the only recruit you can really toss out the window is Naymick, boy has he not panned out. In terms of Gray and Suton, they're both young and Gray has been hurt almost the whole time he's been here.

I'm not necessarily defending Naymick here, because clearly he needs work, but he has been hurt almost the entire time as well. That shoulder surgery he had last spring should have been done 2 years ago.

When you can't move your arm, it's hard to develop any hands.

Andy_H · 02-01-2007, 03:03 PM

Naymick leads the team in +/- for MSU through the first 8 Big Ten games.

AASpartan · 02-01-2007, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Stubarino

I must have just not looked close enough. I could swear at one point Summers was higher ranked then the other two....

He was the highest rated player we had for a while. Allen was the lowest.

Vick Ditale · 02-01-2007, 04:18 PM

Scout has Summers highest of the three (i think) & has our 3 guys rated higher (b/t 20 & 35) than rivals does.

& isn't Scout considered to be better for hoops & rivals better for football???

AASpartan · 02-01-2007, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Vick Ditale

Scout has Summers highest of the three (i think) & has our 3 guys rated higher (b/t 20 & 35) than rivals does.

& isn't Scout considered to be better for hoops & rivals better for football???

Scout is terrible for both. I wouldn't look to Rivals for bball though.

In a pylon st8ofmind · 02-01-2007, 04:25 PM

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Scout is terrible for both. I wouldn't look to Rivals for bball though.

Who had KT and Paul Davis #1? Somebody and Gibbons. They should both be executed.

AASpartan · 02-01-2007, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by st8ofmind

Who had KT and Paul Davis #1? Somebody and Gibbons. They should both be executed.

Dave Telep, probably.

TripleGreen · 02-01-2007, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by st8ofmind

Not really, this is Rivals, which is probably the least accurate.

Corrected that for you.

Dorian · 02-01-2007, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by st8ofmind

How can anybody knock Walton?

He is rock solid, is constantly improving and is only a true soph. Easily the best defender since CBell. And that is saying something.

Maybe MSU's been spoiled too long with the Shannon Brown/Charlie Bell type shooting guards. A shooting guard that just brings defensive intensity is Tim Bograkos. An asset to the team, but we won't win Big 10 Titles with him.

Ozymandias · 02-01-2007, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Dorian

Maybe MSU's been spoiled too long with the Shannon Brown/Charlie Bell type shooting guards. A shooting guard that just brings defensive intensity is Tim Bograkos. An asset to the team, but we won't win Big 10 Titles with him.

He's a PG, not a SG