What would you give Izzo's recruiting and what grade...

[In a pylon st8ofmind]

Do you think Coach Izzo himself would give these classes?

Me needs English .101 classes for me's thread titles.



06

Isaiah Dahlman	SF		6-6	175	-		Braham, MN
Tom Herzog	C		6-11	215	-		Flint, MI
Raymar Morgan	SF		6-7	210	-		Canton, OH

05

Maurice Joseph	SG		6-5	180	-		St. Lambert, Que.
Travis Walton	PG		6-2	185	-		Lima, OH

04

Marquise Gray	SF		6-8	215	6.0		Flint, MI
Idong Ibok	C		6-10	260	-		Legos-Nigeria, OU
Drew Neitzel	PG		6-0	160	5.7		Wyoming, MI
Goran Suton	C		6-10	250	5.7		Lansing, MI

03

Shannon Brown	SG		6-4	185	-		Maywood, IL
Drew Naymick	C		6-10	230	-		Muskegon, MI

[bodhisattva]

the talent of the bigs we've brought in makes me .

though i know gray and suton are only sophs.

[kgbmsu]

See the thing is a guy that comes to MSU is a least a 3 star. So throw out the stars and grade on performance. I give all those big man recruits a "D".

[Andy_H]

This will be the fourth straight year without a McD's AA, following a stretch of 1 or 2 every year from 99-03. Hard to compete against the Dukes, UNC's, Kansas's, etc. with that kind of recruiting.

[In a pylon st8ofmind]

Originally Posted by kgbmsu

See the thing is a guy that comes to MSU is a least a 3 star. So throw out the stars and grade on performance. I give all those big man recruits a "D".

Just subtract 2 stars from everybody but Walton and Neitzel and Raymar. Maybe spread 2 stars among those 3.

I don't think Neitzel will never be enough of a defender (due to physical limitations, not effort or technique) for me to consider him an elite player.

[In a pylon st8ofmind]

Originally Posted by Andy_H

This will be the fourth straight year without a McD's AA, following a stretch of 1 or 2 every year from 99-03. Hard to compete against the Dukes, UNC's, Kansas's, etc. with that kind of recruiting.

Did they announce the teams already?

Allen was on the USA team but not a Mickey D's AA?

HowTF is Lucas not? Isn't he a top 3 PG?

[Andy_H]

Originally Posted by st8ofmind

Did they announce the teams already?

Allen was on the USA team but not a Mickey D's AA?

HowTF is Lucas not? Isn't he a top 3 PG?

Just guessing. Most rankings I've seen do not place any of the 3 recruits in the Top 25.

[bodhisattva]

Originally Posted by Andy_H

Just guessing. Most rankings I've seen do not place any of the 3 recruits in the Top 25.

yep. they're all borderline, especially allen and lucas. just like morgan last year.

[degreedo]

I honestly think that the only recruit you can really toss out the window is Naymick, boy has he not panned out. In terms of Gray and Suton, they're both young and Gray has been hurt almost the whole time he's been here. I'd say that by the time they graduate both will be looked at as solid recruits. I don't even count the Donger as a recruit seeing as how we basically picked him up at the last second.

Raymar, Neitzel, Walton and Brown have all lived up to their billing so far.

The jury is still out on Dahlman and Herzog obviously.

Call me a homer/sunshine blower but I honestly think we'll look back at some of the bigs when their time is done and think a lot differently about them then we do right now. If not, then oh boy, because I don't see any bigs coming here in the next two classes.

[Cmdr.Nebula]

With all the recent Football talk, I'm not used to seeing so many stars. If those stars were for football, I think tRCMB would rejoice and crash the server.

That said, it is evident that there are some flaws to the star system. Seems to lean toward "Potential" vs "Immediate Impact" just my .

[In a pylon st8ofmind]

Originally Posted by bodhisattva

yep. they're all borderline, especially allen and lucas. just like morgan last year.

Fantastic. I know rankings really don't matter but COME THE **** ON.

[bodhisattva]

Originally Posted by st8ofmind

Fantastic. I know rankings really don't matter but COME THE **** ON.

dude, i know.

[kgbmsu]

Izzo needs to recruit bigs that can score. I am sick of defensive projects. I see all these schools on ESPN that have big white guys with post moves. We are too perimeter oriented.

[In a pylon st8ofmind]

31	Chris Allen Lawrenceville (GA) Meadowcreek		G	6-3/185	Michigan State
	Smooth shooter who knows how to create his shot.
32	Austin Daye Irvine (CA) Woodbridge		F	6-9/184	Gonzaga
	Father was a pro and this skilled forward also has a chance to play in the NBA.
33	LaceDarius Dunn Monroe (LA) Excelsior Christian		G	6-4/190	Baylor
	Powerful guard who knows how to score.
34	James Anderson Junction City (AR) Junction City		F	6-5/190	Oklahoma State
	Multi-dimensional forward makes winning plays.
35	Taylor King Santa Ana (CA) Mater Dei		F	6-7/215	Duke
	Can both shoot it from deep and rebound underneath.
36	Corperryale Harris Detroit (MI) Redford		G	6-4/170	Michigan the dirty Whores
	Slippery guard has impressive instincts.
37	E'twaun Moore East Chicago (IN) East Chicago Central		G	6-3/170	Purdue
	Solid combo guard has no significant weakness.
38	Alex Legion Mouth of Wilson (VA) Oak Hill Academy		G	6-4/200	Michigan the dirty Whores
	Big guard who knows how to score.
39	Kalin Lucas Orchard Lake (MI) St. Mary's Prep		G	6-0/165	Michigan State
	Pushes the tempo with the best of them.

54	Durrell Summers Redford (MI) Covenant		F	6-5/195	Michigan State
	Dangerous offensive rebounder from the wing.

[In a pylon st8ofmind]

Of course we have to look at 'one and done's' too.

2007 RANKINGS BY POSITION

PG

SG

C

SF

PF

	Point Guard	Ht/Wt
1	Derrick Rose	6-4/185
2	O.J. Mayo	6-5/215
3	Nick Calathes	6-5/185
4	Johnny Flynn	5-11/170
5	Kalin Lucas	6-0/165

Shooting Guard	Ht/Wt
1	Eric Gordon	6-4/205
2	Austin Freeman	6-3/185
3	Jerryd Bayless	6-3/193
4	James Harden	6-5/200
5	Darquavis Tucker	6-4/190
6	Chris Allen	6-3/185

[In a pylon st8ofmind]

**** Duke, good and hard.

Prospect Ranking
2007: Small Forwards | Rivals.com Basketball Recruiting | last sorted on 8/8/2006

2007 Rank			Pos	Ht/Wt	Schools
1	Kyle Singler Medford (OR) South Medford High School		F	6-8/210	Duke
2	Bill Walker Cincinnati (OH) North College Hill		F	6-6/220	Kansas State
3	Donte Green Baltimore (MD) Towson Catholic		F	6-9/217	Syracuse
4	Anthony Randolph Dallas (TX) Woodrow Wilson		F	6-10/210	LSU
5	Jamelle Horne San Diego (CA) San Diego		F	6-7/205	Arizona
6	Herb Pope Aliquippa (PA)		F	6-8/233	New Mexico St.
7	Jason Henry Atlanta (GA) Harmony Prep		F	6-7/190	Cincinnati
8	Chandler Parsons Winter Park (FL) Lake Howell		F	6-8/190	Florida
11	Taylor King Santa Ana (CA) Mater Dei		F	6-7/215	Duke
15	Durrell Summers Redford (MI) Covenant		F	6-5/195	Michigan State

[Redwingenator]

This isn't like recruiting on NCAA 07 for XBox 360. The style of play that Izzo uses does not allow him to go after every 5 star recruit. Not every 4 and 5 star player wants to play a physical style that emphasizes ball control and rebounding. I rate Izzo's ability to recruit on his wins and losses, not the number of 5 star recruits he signs.

[PipersFly]

and probably shouldn't be allowed to recruit bigs on his own. Maybe they could send the coach from LCC along, or even Comley. He seems able to judge talent. Or maybe Zeke could go if his ACL has healed enough. Just don't send Buttermaker alone.

[AASpartan]

Originally Posted by PipersFly

and probably shouldn't be allowed to recruit bigs on his own. Maybe they could send the coach from LCC along, or even Comley. He seems able to judge talent. Or maybe Zeke could go if his ACL has healed enough. Just don't send Buttermaker alone.

WTF is "Buttermaker"?

[kgbmsu]

Originally Posted by AASpartan

WTF is Buttermaker?

bad news bears comment last night Izzo= Buttermaker

[AASpartan]

Originally Posted by kgbmsu

bad news bears comment last night Izzo= Buttermaker

I keep forgetting what a giant ********* PipersFly is...my bad.

[kgbmsu]

Originally Posted by AASpartan

I keep forgetting what a giant ********* PipersFly is...my bad.

He amuses me.

[degreedo]

Originally Posted by PipersFly

and probably shouldn't be allowed to recruit bigs on his own. Maybe they could send the coach from LCC along, or even Comley. He seems able to judge talent. Or maybe Zeke could go if his ACL has healed enough. Just don't send Buttermaker alone.

[Fletch]

Originally Posted by st8ofmind

I don't think Neitzel will never be enough of a defender (due to physical limitations, not effort or technique) for me to consider him an elite player.

What the **** is your standard for an elite player?! The guy is among the leading candidates for POTY in the Big 10 and is essentially carrying the team on his back.

[PortlandSpartan]

Originally Posted by AASpartan

I keep forgetting what a giant ********* PipersFly is...my bad.

I can't figure out that censored word