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06-29-2007, 08:07 PM
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No TBarnes post from his phone yet?
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06-29-2007, 08:22 PM
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the first iphone will have flaws, general law of the geeks always applies, but fact is, iphone changes everything with it's design and usability, and no matter how much diehard IBM folk cry, that's how it is.
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06-29-2007, 08:54 PM
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I sure there are bound to be flaws which will be handled via software updates. I am pretty sure Apple learned from the Newton experience. Released it early because of some stupid side bet. 
Crap! A good Newton primer right on the MSU server. Newton MessagePad
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06-29-2007, 09:10 PM
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 Actually I just liked messing with Mexican Avalanche. I did loathe OS 9 though.
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06-29-2007, 09:29 PM
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06-29-2007, 09:40 PM
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Nice $500 spent there, buddy. Good luck trying to squeeze everything back together so that you can use your phone again.
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06-30-2007, 12:37 AM
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Nice $500 spent there, buddy. Good luck trying to squeeze everything back together so that you can use your phone again.
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He'll make several times the cost of the iPhone in advertising revenue.
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06-30-2007, 01:13 AM
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I like the idea of ripping apart a new gadget. AnandTech does that all the time and could care less about the product itself but just want to know the technology behind it.
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06-30-2007, 01:36 AM
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To be fair, both of the current disassemblers are well known for their Powerbook prowess in both repairs and mods. The iPhone to them is just an extension of their business model. I am sure they also do iPod repairs and service as well.
It is funny just seeing the race to disassemble first.
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06-30-2007, 01:40 AM
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From all the "hints" out there, I am almost ready to predict that 3G exists in hardware form but not software.  We will see if a software update down the road is in the works. |
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06-30-2007, 02:53 AM
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I like the idea of ripping apart a new gadget. AnandTech does that all the time and could care less about the product itself but just want to know the technology behind it.
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there is nothing to reengineer here...all of the iphone's competitive advantage comes from their software and interface. they are using primitive technology...
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06-30-2007, 02:55 AM
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I like the idea of ripping apart a new gadget. AnandTech does that all the time and could care less about the product itself but just want to know the technology behind it.
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this thing is looking sick, crazy.
and I don't think anyone's considered what this does for mobile porn (billion $ industry, what will they do for this?)...
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I doubt it does anything more for the porn business than what the ipod does...you can't download video wirelessly on the iphone because they use primitive technology.
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06-30-2007, 02:56 AM
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Hook, line, sinker. Verizon and Sprint spin there.
Verizon and Sprint wanted to put their own crap on the phone - like VCast, etc. Apple didn't want it.
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obviously you don't know what you are talking about. seems as though you are the one that is buying the spin.
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06-30-2007, 07:17 AM
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there is nothing to reengineer here...all of the iphone's competitive advantage comes from their software and interface. they are using primitive technology... |
Based on what I've seen so far, all the other manufactures have a hell of a lot of catching up to do software wise. As for reliability, I've been on both Cingular and Verizon and as a consumer I can't tell the difference. If anything Cingular has been more reliable. A coworker was just complaining Friday that Verizon has sucked in East Lansing lately. So if they are supposed to be more reliable, no one can tell.
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06-30-2007, 08:59 AM
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ATT was the only carrier that allowed apple control over the phone. Verizon and Sprint take control of the phone to ensure that it meets the highest technological standards. Apple isn't interested in competing technologically with their market entry device. They want to create a niche segment that is ipod 1st and low-technology voice only cell phone 2nd.
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It had nothing to do with control over technology, It was about control over $$$. (which is ironic, because Verizon is going to lose market share over this)
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Verizon Wireless, the No. 2 U.S. cellphone carrier, passed on the chance to be the exclusive distributor of the iPhone almost two years ago, balking at Apple's rich financial terms and other demands. Among other things, Apple wanted a percentage of the monthly cellphone fees, say over how and where iPhones could be sold and control of the relationship with iPhone customers, said Jim Gerace, a Verizon Wireless vice president. "We said no. We have nothing bad to say about the Apple iPhone. We just couldn't reach a deal that was mutually beneficial."
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Verizon rejected Apple iPhone deal - USATODAY.com
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06-30-2007, 09:18 AM
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Apple's goal with these phones is 1% worldwide market share by late '08, so I don't think market share would be a huge concern. The price range they're in limits them to the $500+ phone market, which just won't have that big of an impact on the overall cell phone market share.
Now if they had stripped-down $100-200 versions to compete with cheaper mp3 phones as well, that would be a very different story; maybe they still will do that.
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06-30-2007, 09:41 AM
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As for reliability, I've been on both Cingular and Verizon and as a consumer I can't tell the difference. If anything Cingular has been more reliable. A coworker was just complaining Friday that Verizon has sucked in East Lansing lately. So if they are supposed to be more reliable, no one can tell.
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Stuff and nonsense. Claiming a nihilist position re evaluating cell coverage just means blind belief in anecdotes. You can look at coverage maps, you can read news articles, and you can take in consumer surveys. The Cingular / AT&T network pales compared to competitors. Look at the full page ads and TV spots Sprint is running to show how poor the Cingular data plan is.
Independent surveys, eg by Consumer Reports, show far, far more dropped calls by Cingular. Verizon has one of the most built-out networks in the country.
Anecdotally I do observe that Verizon is weak in East Lansing during peak times, and especially for some reason at the corner of Hagadorn and GR. My guess is a tower switch occurs there.
A good friend is a Cingular customer who travels the state daily and the world frequently. Cingular drops out all the time when he leaves major metro areas even though still on an Interstate.
Press coverage disses Apple for choosing Cingular / AT&T's inferior 300 kbps Edge network for data, versus true 3G from other carriers, ie EV-DO.
Steve Jobs claims that the phone's Wi-Fi capabilitiy outweighs that. That's a bunch of bull. Apple made the best business deal they could, not the best network deal they could offer customers. Wi-Fi is even sparser than Cingular's footprint.
Apple wanted to make a unique arrangement where they are the front office for buying the phone and service, and the provider is just the back office providing signal. See Friday's NY Times. The top providers didn't see $$$ in such a deal so Apple went with the market trailer.
Apple may have made the best cell phone on the planet, but they chose to partner with one of the worst cell providers in the US.
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06-30-2007, 10:46 AM
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Anecdotally I do observe that Verizon is weak in East Lansing during peak times, and especially for some reason at the corner of Hagadorn and GR. My guess is a tower switch occurs there.
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I could care less if there's great Verizon coverage in the UP if I can't even get reliable coverage in my home area.
I've had both Cingular and Verizon in the Lansing area and had far more problems with Verizon, regardless of what Consumers Reports or the NY Times tell me I should be getting. 
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06-30-2007, 12:27 PM
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Based on what I've seen so far, all the other manufactures have a hell of a lot of catching up to do software wise. As for reliability, I've been on both Cingular and Verizon and as a consumer I can't tell the difference. If anything Cingular has been more reliable. A coworker was just complaining Friday that Verizon has sucked in East Lansing lately. So if they are supposed to be more reliable, no one can tell.
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#5 is just jealous because he can't afford one.
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06-30-2007, 01:53 PM
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Just got back from the Apple store in Novi. The phone is flat out sick. Plated with it for 15 minutes. It is worth every penny they are asking. The Google Maps integration is killer. Fast over the stores wifi. YouTube was excellent. The UI was truly remarkable. Made my phone (K790i) look obsolete.
Of course to be fair, one would have to play with it at an ATT shop to see how the EDGE network compares.
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06-30-2007, 01:55 PM
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At engadget, the predictive work function is swear word ready.. 
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Steve must have been a sailor in a former life, because it's been a while since we've seen a phone dictionary come preloaded with so many US swears. The iPhone even supports multiple forms of the mother of all curses -- truly, a versatile word for a versatile phone. Now go wash your mouth out with soap, mister.
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06-30-2007, 02:03 PM
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