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#5 · 07-03-2007, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Fighting With A Vim

That is just about the least accurate thing I have ever seen posted.

You don't think Apple's gui will spur a gui revolution in the cell industry?

This part may be up to debate, but everything I wrote about the iphone's cellular technology is accurate. You are typing from emotion if you truly believe that the gsm/edge technology is state of the art.

#5 · 07-03-2007, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Trevor Barnes

Verizon users demand 3G state of the art technology. Edge/GSM lacks sophistication.

I know many are emotionally invested in the iphone and don't want to acknowledge that all it is is a beautiful consumer electronics device combined with primitive cell phone technology, but that is what it is.

I hope the iphone does well and that the single reason for its popularity is its gui, because that will spur a gui revolution. The cell phone industry has been so focused on adding data/voice features to the handsets that they have totally ignored the gui. The gui is the easiest thing to change and it has the most room for improvement in terms of where we are now and where we could be...future handsets will be awesome!!

TurboSpartan · 07-03-2007, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Trevor Barnes

EDGE in Lansing is clocking at around 175-200 kb/s right now. Yes, that's slow, but it's much faster than modem surfing on a 56k modem for instance. With the amount of WiFi hot spots these days though, the vast majority of iPhone users aren't going to be regularly surfing with EDGE. They'll be on WiFi....which is much faster than 3G cell network speeds usually.

Again though, that's not true if the iPhone is on WiFi.

Trevor, why do you keep posting this over and over? Most PDA phones have WiFi. If you want to be like Jobs and say it's a "sandwich" then fine - it's a sandwich. And since crappy EDGE speed is in the middle, you can fairly say it's a turd sandwich.

TurboSpartan · 07-03-2007, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ming

I would have an iPhone by now if it weren't for the fact that I loathe going back to AT&T. The are by far the worst carrier (at least in LA). I switched from Cingular to Verizon about 5 years ago and the improvement in cell service is like night and day. What sucks is that Verizon has the worst phones running on the best network. My current phone, a Moto Q, is the single crappiest POS cell phone I've ever used. So here I am debating whether to pick up an iPhone (the best cell phone I've ever seen) and deal with AT&T's spotty coverage and primitive EDGE network. The 1st phone call my buddy made on his iPhone to me was dropping out and full of static. And then there's the EDGE vs. 3G thing. Even my sluggish and buggy Moto Q can web browse circles around an iPhone. I can view about 5-6 websites while the iPhone is still loading the first. Of course the display of the website formats like crap on the Q and looks beautiful on the iPhone (when it finally loads).

Maybe I should just wait for the HTC 6800. Bigger and bulkier than the iPhone but uses the same processor and has more features and a WAY faster data network. Why couldn't Apple have made a deal with Verizon?? It would have been perfect.

Sprint already has the 6800 but are calling it the Mogul. Not sure when Verizon will have it- soon I'm sure.

mrob · 07-03-2007, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by #5

I hope the iphone does well and that the single reason for its popularity is its gui, because that will spur a gui revolution. The cell phone industry has been so focused on adding data/voice features to the handsets that they have totally ignored the gui. The gui is the easiest thing to change and it has the most room for improvement in terms of where we are now and where we could be...future handsets will be awesome!!

If the user interface is so easy to change and copy, then why can't MS copy OSX? I mean, they've been trying for years and the best they can do is VISTA???

I think its more accurate to say that the GUI is the most difficult thing to improve, especially on cell phones. Which is why the iPhone will be a huge success.

Gtarent · 07-03-2007, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TurboSpartan

Sprint already has the 6800 but are calling it the Mogul. Not sure when Verizon will have it- soon I'm sure.

I got my Mogul yesterday, and I am loving it. To be fair I have been using a pocket pc for the last 7 years, so I have programs I am used to, and am familiar with the interface. The standard homepage and plugins were rather bland, so I am using plugins built for the HTC Touch. With these plugins I can manage most tasks without using a stylus. I really considered the Iphone, the GUI was just slick, and the screen on the Iphone is far superior than my Mogul. In the end I just couldn't see much that the Iphone gave me that my Mogul doesn't, but there are several things my mogul can do that the Iphone cannot match.

Gtarent · 07-03-2007, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mrob

If the user interface is so easy to change and copy, then why can't MS copy OSX? I mean, they've been trying for years and the best they can do is VISTA???

I think its more accurate to say that the GUI is the most difficult thing to improve, especially on cell phones. Which is why the iPhone will be a huge success.

Several of the GUI features have already been implemented.... take a look at the HTC Touch, which actually launched before the Iphone. The pocket pc community is very active in skinning and program modifying.

richwig · 07-03-2007, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Trevor Barnes

Sounds like they don't understand how it's intended to work. It automatically connects to WiFi routers that you have previously connected to. So it won't automatically connect to random open WiFi routers it's never connected to before. However, if it has connected to that wireless hotspot before, it'll pick it up and automatically connect.

Trevor, old pal, dude, friend --

How on Earth can a new device know what other devices in your life have previously connected to Wi-Fi on your local network?

Trevor Barnes · 07-03-2007, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Gtarent

Several of the GUI features have already been implemented.... take a look at the HTC Touch, which actually launched before the Iphone. The pocket pc community is very active in skinning and program modifying.

I've seen the HTC Touch demoed and it's nowhere near as slick as the iPhone is. I know it was launched first, but it seems like a very cheap knockoff of the iPhone.

I used a Dell Axim for a few years and liked it. Comparing it to the iPhone....Windows Mobile has a lot of software, but I'm not sure I'd miss anything on an iPhone. When Apple eventually allows 3rd party apps on the iPhone, all bets are off. It's coming...we just don't know when. As far as the interface, the iPhone blows it away right now. The interface for the multimedia features, obviously, is in a whole different league. Windows Mobile had the features, sure...but Apple made the UI both fun and intuitive. Web surfing on Safari is also a big improvement over Pocket IE.

Trevor Barnes · 07-03-2007, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by richwig

Trevor, old pal, dude, friend --

How on Earth can a new device know what other devices in your life have previously connected to Wi-Fi on your local network?

I think you misunderstood me. I meant that, like Macs, if the iPhone detects a network it has previously connected to, it will remember it and connect automatically to it the next time.

richwig · 07-03-2007, 10:46 PM

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Verizon users demand 3G state of the art technology. Edge/GSM lacks sophistication.

I know many are emotionally invested in the iPhone and don't want to acknowledge that all it is is a beautiful consumer electronics device combined with primitive cell phone technology, but that is what it is.

I hope the iphone does well and that the single reason for its popularity is its gui, because that will spur a gui revolution.

The iPhone's features are effin awesome. The UI rocks the world. I kid Trevor that he's got a Ferrari on a dirt road, but the iPhone is truly one of the 8 or so most important moments in computing history.

I speak as a Windows guy....and a Verizon user......

Gtarent · 07-03-2007, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Trevor Barnes

I've seen the HTC Touch demoed and it's nowhere near as slick as the iPhone is. I know it was launched first, but it seems like a very cheap knockoff of the iPhone.

I used a Dell Axim for a few years and liked it. Comparing it to the iPhone....Windows Mobile has a lot of software, but I'm not sure I'd miss anything on an iPhone. When Apple eventually allows 3rd party apps on the iPhone, all bets are off. It's coming...we just don't know when. As far as the interface, the iPhone blows it away right now. The interface for the multimedia features, obviously, is in a whole different league. Windows Mobile had the features, sure...but Apple made the UI both fun and intuitive. Web surfing on Safari is also a big improvement over Pocket IE.

It is a cheap knockoff.... but it did provide a nice homepage and plugins for my mogul. Apps may be coming for the Iphone, but I have already picked and tailered apps for Pocket Pc's over the last 7 years. I give you the Iphone interface is much more attractive, but I am unsure how much more efficient it is compared to my mogul. I wouldn't know about Pocket IE since I use both the Mini and mobile versions of opera. The safari browser is attractive, but I haven't had as good of luck finding WIFI hotspots as you have. Surfing EVDO tests my patience, surfing with edge would be nearly pointless.

Trevor Barnes · 07-04-2007, 01:22 AM

MacNN | iPhone shatters AT&T record, dwarfs RAZR, over iPhones 700,000 sold [u]

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Apple over the weekend sold more than 700,000 iPhones to rocket past analyst predictions and shatter AT&T's record by selling more iPhones in three days than Motorola's RAZR did in its first month. Apple's supply of iPhones depleted at more than half of its retail stores less than a week after the cellular handset hit shelves at 6:00 p.m. ET last Friday night. Buyers cleared out both Apple and AT&T stores in 10 states, with 95 of 164 stores selling out on Monday night, according to Bloomberg. Apple stores located in Hawaii, Michigan, Minnesota, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, Utah, and Washington state sold their entire stock of iPhones yesterday, and AT&T sold its entire stock at almost all of its 1,800 stores.

Bloomberg.com: Apple IPhone Sold Out at Most Stores After Four Days

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July 3 (Bloomberg) -- Apple Inc. ran out of iPhones at more than half its stores less than a week after introducing the combination iPod music player and handset in the U.S.

Buyers emptied outlets in 10 states, with 95 of 164 stores reporting sellouts last night, according to Apple's Web site. Cupertino, California-based Apple started selling two models of the iPhone, priced at $499 and $599, on June 29.

Shoppers may have taken home as many as 700,000 iPhones over the weekend, Goldman Sachs Group Inc. analyst David Bailey has estimated, twice his initial projection. Chief Executive Officer Steve Jobs has sought to use the connection to the iPod business, which pulls in about $10 billion in revenue a year, to reach his goal of selling 10 million phones in 2008.

Apple's stores in Hawaii, Michigan, Minnesota, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, Utah and Washington sold off their allotment of phones yesterday, leaving buyers to check with AT&T Inc. Apple lists whether stores are out on its Web site.

Gtarent · 07-04-2007, 01:25 AM

I never said it wouldn't be popular or successful, but popularity does not always indicate a superior product.... has american idol taught you nothing?

Spartytruth · 07-04-2007, 02:05 AM

Someimtes it's better to accept that some things are a better product rather than fight it.

Apple owns the market = they will buy everyone out and the only waty to stop it is governent intervention.

Gtarent · 07-04-2007, 05:28 AM

I have yet to see how he Iphone is better. It most definitely is flashier... but I don't see how it is more powerful or more efficient. If only we lived in Japan.... now they have some phones I drool over. The day I count on the government to improve my life is the day I leave this world.

Trevor Barnes · 07-04-2007, 10:34 AM

DVD Jon, the guy who posted the code to decrypt DVD copy protection (DeCSS) back in 1999 has now posted code that will activate iPhones without ever giving AT&T a dime. You can use it fully as an iPod and on WiFi, but this still does not allow you to use the iPhone as a phone on other carriers.

Here's how:
iPhone Independence Day

NumbNuts · 07-05-2007, 02:26 PM

Kind of like the self-destructing iPods when they first hit the market.

TheDoctorIsIn · 07-05-2007, 02:28 PM

"Brand New Xbox Overheats"

Microsoft

Naggs · 07-05-2007, 02:38 PM

Holy crap! You mean one of the 500,000 they sold last weekend is defective? The government better be looking into this.

Trevor Barnes · 07-05-2007, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Naggs

Holy crap! You mean one of the 500,000 they sold last weekend is defective? The government better be looking into this.

700,000 since launch now.

Trevor Barnes · 07-05-2007, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolfSparty®

Affair with iPhone cools when handset breaks - Wireless World - MSNBC.com

Apple............

This same guy has had to send in his Palm Treo phone 3 times?!

I'm sure you do realize LWS that Consumers Reports consistently ranks Apple at the top of their customer service and customer satisfaction lists.

Trevor Barnes · 07-05-2007, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolfSparty®

Trevor Jobs

I don't own stock but I really should. I just went up based on the better than expected iPhone sales.

Mel · 07-05-2007, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolfSparty®

Trevor Jobs

LWS, you're a sad human being.

Trevor Barnes · 07-05-2007, 05:55 PM

Flash support looks like it's on the way....

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If the iPhone’s Web browser is so good, why can’t it play video on Web sites I visit?

At launch, the iPhone version of the Safari browser is missing some plug-ins needed for playing common types of Web videos. The most important of these is the plug-in for Adobe’s Flash technology. Apple says it plans to add that plug-in through an early software update, which I am guessing will occur within the next couple of months. However, a separate program included on the iPhone can play a limited selection of videos from YouTube, and the phone can play videos you purchase from Apple’s iTunes store, and certain videos you create yourself.

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