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[bulldogg]

Originally Posted by AASpartan

Gotcha. I figured there'd be a 3rd party software piece out there.

Not sure what these 3rd parties would do though. Unless Good made a client, but we don't have a Good server either.

Bummer ... looks fun to play with, but it doesn't meet my needs.

[bulldogg]

Originally Posted by Trevor Barnes

More iPhone news: no SIM slot? - SlashGear

Apple iPhone details a plenty : The Boy Genius Report

Interesting - reading the comments from the boy genius report.

Like many speculate - its almost gotta have a SIM. It just may not be (readily) accessible.

I thought I heard that Apple reached an exclusive with a European provider now too (Vodaphone?). Probably the same there.

[Cym Jim]

Originally Posted by GWhiz

Speaking of the iPhone and AT&T wireless.... Does anyone in the E.L/Lansing area have AT&T wireless? How is the reception, coverage area, etc.?

It's perfect . Only place I don't get perfect reception is in Meijer for some reason. I went with them for the Sony Ericsson phones and the international plans, couldn't be happier.

Cue someone with Verizon telling you the opposite: . . .

[bulldogg]

Originally Posted by Jiggy Spartan

interesting... i have found that my verizon phone has the same menu and same features of just about every other verizon phone out there. so i take it that verizon makes a ton of customizations but puts all the same changes on every phone? good for apple sticking their guns and not letting anyone else tell them how to make/market an innovative product.

That's one take that I heard. And it kinda makes sense. Look at the VZW RAZR compared to Cingular's. VZW locked down most of the buttons, etc. and didn't let you (easily) customize it like the other providers.

We don't do a lot of business with VZW because their reception leaves a little ... er ... a lot to be desired where we are, but we have had a few requests for them.

[greenballs]

I have Verizon and I can't get my phone to work in Meijer either, so it's not the service.

[Batty4MSUv2]

10 Ways The Nokia N800 Is Better Than Apple’s iPhone - Starry Hope Productions

[bulldogg]

Apple readying three million iPhones for launch?

How Big Will the iPhone Be?

[bulldogg]

"The keyboard is a disaster, and people are going to return the phone in droves. I'm guessing 20% will go back."
Time to short Apple? - MarketWatch

[Trevor Barnes]

Originally Posted by bulldogg

"The keyboard is a disaster, and people are going to return the phone in droves. I'm guessing 20% will go back."
Time to short Apple? - MarketWatch

I guess we'll see what actual reviewers say when they get their hands on it. Should be very interesting. I can't imagine anyone wanting to type a novel on a cell/PDA regardless. Dvorak has always been kinda anti-Apple and predicted bad things when they switched to Intel processors. That's been a huge success so far.

[Trevor Barnes]

Originally Posted by Batty4MSUv2

10 Ways The Nokia N800 Is Better Than Apple’s iPhone - Starry Hope Productions

The Nokia N800 isn't even a cell phone and you have to rely on WiFi completely to make calls. If there's no WiFi around, you can't make or receive calls on the Nokia N800.

No thanks.

[bulldogg]

Originally Posted by Trevor Barnes

I guess we'll see what actual reviewers say when they get their hands on it. Should be very interesting. I can't imagine anyone wanting to type a novel on a cell/PDA regardless.

Yep, I'll hold judegement until I hold one - but I do send a number of emails with my phone (not really novels, but short emails).

[Havoq]

Originally Posted by greenballs

I have Verizon and I can't get my phone to work in Meijer either, so it's not the service.

i have Sprint and I get very little service in Meijer it may have something to do with their building material

[TurboSpartan]

The iPhone is so interesting because there's been so much hype and speculation. Look at Trevor already saying what a mistake Verizon made - and the things haven't even shipped.

I'm not sure if the phone will kick butt or flop but here's what I'm sure of:

1) It'll sell in droves out of the gate. There's a lot of people who will buy something because it has an Apple logo, so that's a given.
2) If it ceases to sell well after that, they've built in a lot of room for price cuts - half of the price tag is profit.
3) They're clearly not aiming for the enterprise side, regardless of what a couple people have said. Lack of exchange sync precludes that. Lock the topic.
4) They could sell a ton on the personal phone side if the thing turns out to work well - but they've gotta make sure they don't cannibalize their own high-end iPod sales in the process - and I think price cutting would almost guarantee that.

It'll definitely be interesting.

[#5]

Originally Posted by Trevor Barnes

Reportedly, Apple went to Verizon first. In their deal with Apple, apparently AT&T gave up A LOT of power that cell phone companies aren't used to giving up to manufacturers. Verizon wasn't willing to do that so Apple moved on. I'll see if I can find a story.

Agreed. The phone wasn't up to Verizon's standards. Verizon has the strictest standards. They have to perform regardless of how nice they look. It's like a guy demanding that his female interests be more intellectual than good looking...but they can't be anything less than a 7 on the looks scale.

The phone is a great entry to the marketplace, but it doesn't really bring anything new to the table.

[#5]

Originally Posted by TurboSpartan

The iPhone is so interesting because there's been so much hype and speculation. Look at Trevor already saying what a mistake Verizon made - and the things haven't even shipped.

I'm not sure if the phone will kick butt or flop but here's what I'm sure of:

1) It'll sell in droves out of the gate. There's a lot of people who will buy something because it has an Apple logo, so that's a given.
2) If it ceases to sell well after that, they've built in a lot of room for price cuts - half of the price tag is profit.
3) They're clearly not aiming for the enterprise side, regardless of what a couple people have said. Lack of exchange sync precludes that. Lock the topic.
4) They could sell a ton on the personal phone side if the thing turns out to work well - but they've gotta make sure they don't cannibalize their own high-end iPod sales in the process - and I think price cutting would almost guarantee that.

It'll definitely be interesting.

I don't see any mistake by verizon. The phone failed to meet their standards. Iphone moved on to the easy carrier.

It will sell good out of the gate for novelty's sake. Let's talk in a year when the demand settles down.

[TurboSpartan]

Originally Posted by #5

I don't see any mistake by verizon. The phone failed to meet their standards. Iphone moved on to the easy carrier.

It will sell good out of the gate for novelty's sake. Let's talk in a year when the demand settles down.

I think already you're assuming too much (1 year). If this thing isn't polished and impressive at launch, demand could just as easily take the PS3 route - especially at that price point ($500 / $600), which coincidentally is identical to the PS3's. Like I said, people are making way too many assumptions, with way too little information.

Another big question mark, where the math gets a little interesting for them: with the edge network, you'll typically be able to download at 80-110k rates, or about 3/4 of a MB per minute. So it takes about 10 minutes to download your average, 7-8MB song. Is that going to be too slow for people? I'm not saying it is, I'm saying I wonder if it is. On Sprint or Verizon, which use EVDO, you could get the same thing in under 2 minutes... would they have been a better choice?

[Catch22]

Absolutely no way the iPhone doesn't have a SIM slot. AT&T/Cingular's network is GSM, and on a GSM network my understanding is that a SIM card is mandatory for that type of network (link, granted it's Wikipedia).

It would be useless to bill the iPhone as a quad-band without a SIM slot - most of the rest of the world uses GSM and hence SIM cards. According to one site (again, take with a grain of salt) indicates that the iPhone has a GSM slot.

I've always been with Verizon so I've never personally dealt with SIMs, but tell me if the slot shown on the Apple iPhone specs page doesn't look like the appropriate place to stick one?

[Catch22]

Originally Posted by #5

Agreed. The phone wasn't up to Verizon's standards. Verizon has the strictest standards. They have to perform regardless of how nice they look. It's like a guy demanding that his female interests be more intellectual than good looking...but they can't be anything less than a 7 on the looks scale.

The phone is a great entry to the marketplace, but it doesn't really bring anything new to the table.

Hardly. Verizon didn't want to give up as much control of distribution as Apple wanted (link). Apple is integrating OS X into the phone, which doesn't exactly jive with the uniform interface Verizon programs into their phones.

Lastly, and this is speculation on my part, Verizon didn't want to give up control of the content available on the phone. For example as it stands on my LG phone, if I want to use a map program on it I have to download a program and start a monthly subscription. The way Apple has it set up with AT&T is that you'll purchase data service with the phone anyway - no need for an extra subscription.

So by no means was it that the phone wasn't "up to their standards." As for not bringing anything new to the table...have you SEEN demos of the damn thing?

[brijames]

Originally Posted by AASpartan

Well...there IS Outlook 2001 for Mac.

Maybe you can have a POP3 client on there instead. Just won't be a native Exchange connection.

What?

Dude, stand up and walk away from the puter, it will be ok.

[#5]

Originally Posted by Catch22

Hardly. Verizon didn't want to give up as much control of distribution as Apple wanted (link). Apple is integrating OS X into the phone, which doesn't exactly jive with the uniform interface Verizon programs into their phones.

Lastly, and this is speculation on my part, Verizon didn't want to give up control of the content available on the phone. For example as it stands on my LG phone, if I want to use a map program on it I have to download a program and start a monthly subscription. The way Apple has it set up with AT&T is that you'll purchase data service with the phone anyway - no need for an extra subscription.

So by no means was it that the phone wasn't "up to their standards." As for not bringing anything new to the table...have you SEEN demos of the damn thing?

Yeah...everything is speculation on your part. The phone didn't meet standards. Bottom line.



That doesn't mean it will do poorly in the marketplace. There are a lot of phones that don't meet the high standards of Verizon that do well in the cingular market....Iphones will be that phone for a little while.

[#5]

Originally Posted by brijames

What?

Dude, stand up and walk away from the puter, it will be ok.

He can't do that. He needs to prove to the people here that he has the top post count.

[Trevor Barnes]

Originally Posted by #5

I don't see any mistake by verizon. The phone failed to meet their standards.

[Trevor Barnes]

Originally Posted by Catch22

Hardly. Verizon didn't want to give up as much control of distribution as Apple wanted (link). Apple is integrating OS X into the phone, which doesn't exactly jive with the uniform interface Verizon programs into their phones.

Lastly, and this is speculation on my part, Verizon didn't want to give up control of the content available on the phone. For example as it stands on my LG phone, if I want to use a map program on it I have to download a program and start a monthly subscription. The way Apple has it set up with AT&T is that you'll purchase data service with the phone anyway - no need for an extra subscription.

So by no means was it that the phone wasn't "up to their standards." As for not bringing anything new to the table...have you SEEN demos of the damn thing?

[Trevor Barnes]

Originally Posted by #5

Yeah...everything is speculation on your part. The phone didn't meet standards. Bottom line.

Source? That's nothing but speculation on your part. It seems to me that the Verizon exec quoted in the CNET story would have had a perfect opportunity to say how the iPhone didn't meet Verizon's "superior" standards. Instead he talked about how Verizon didn't want to give up distribution rights to Apple or share service revenue. Nothing mentioned about standards.

USA Today first reported Monday that Verizon Wireless had passed on the iPhone two years ago. One of the big sticking points for Verizon was the fact that Apple wanted control of the distribution of the product. Specifically, Apple only wanted to sell the iPhone through Verizon stores or the Apple retail stores, locking out other Verizon distributors such as Wal-Mart and Best Buy.


"We have great distribution partners nationally, regionally and locally," said Jeffrey Nelson, a spokesman for the company. "And the deal they (Apple) wanted would have frozen out those partners. So we said, 'No thanks, not under those conditions.'"


Apple also supposedly wanted a percentage of the service revenue from iPhone users, the USA Today article said. When Verizon declined Apple's offer, the iPod maker went to Cingular Wireless, now owned by AT&T.

Catch22 is dead on based on all reports so far. Since when has Verizon's standards been any better than any other cell phone carrier. Puhlease...

This was all about control and cash.

[bulldogg]

Originally Posted by #5

Yeah...everything is speculation on your part. The phone didn't meet standards. Bottom line.

100% pure Verizon spin.

And you bought it.