tOfficial iPhone news and discussion thread

bighc2000 · 07-08-2007, 11:46 PM

but opera mini is an excellent cell phone browser. Use it on my SE 790i and it works quite well. The experience of the cell internet has now been blown away by the iPhone's Safari browser but the opera mini is good enough for much of the internet.

bulldogg · 07-09-2007, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ming

Hi. I work in a company with about 200 technology nerds. I'm pretty much exposed to the entire gamut. My opinions are based off of now, not 5 years ago. Anyway, I know that quality of coverage changes from city to city. I'm only saying AT&T sucks here in LA. I have no experience in other cities using AT&T.

Have you used AT&T or Verizon in LA for any length of time?

Nope. I just got back from Boston for a week and never had a problem (so add that to the list of major markets that I haven't had a problem in).

I will be in Anaheim later this month for a week ... I know that it isn't LA, but it is close.

bulldogg · 07-09-2007, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ming

1. AT&T's high speed data coverage is pathetic compared to Verizon in Los Angeles. Most of the city is not covered with 3G.

2. AT&T's 3G network is about 1/3 as fast as Verizon's.

3. AT&T's voice quality and coverage is also not as good as Verizon's.

So, yeah, they still have a ways to go before they catch up... at least from my perspective here in LA.

And I'll still probably get an iPhone and grudgingly sign a contract w/ AT&T.

AT&T uses HSDPA so your comments are not true. It is probably true that it is not as widely deployed yet as EVDO Rev A. However GR just got RevA earlier this year and will have HDSPA by the end of the year.
High-Speed Downlink Packet Access - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Current HSDPA deployments now support 1.8 Mbit/s, 3.6 Mbit/s, 7.2 Mbit/s and 14.4 Mbit/s in downlink.

Evolution-Data Optimized - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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In addition to the increase in the maximum burst downlink rate from 2.45 Mbit/s to 3.1 Mbit/s, Rev. A has a significant improvement in the maximum uplink data rate, from 153 kbit/s to a maximum uplink burst rate of 1.8 Mbit/s.

Several networks are transitioning their customers to HSDPA networks. In Australia, Telstra has announced the closure of its EV-DO network and is moving customers to its faster HSDPA network. In South Korea, KTF and SK Telecom have stopped investing in their CDMA2000 networks and from early 2007 have begun transitioning customers to their new HSDPA networks.

Producers interest in CDMA is decreasing too. Nokia stated their decision to pull out of CDMA R&D, with the intention to continue CDMA business in selected markets.^[

bulldogg · 07-10-2007, 10:30 PM

Rumor ...

Would Apple really release a 3G HSDPA phone in Europe? (I still cannot believe that they didn't do 3G in the States)

newswireless.net .:. News .:. Ignore US launch: European Tri-iPhone ...

Will this be iPhone II?

Trevor Barnes · 07-11-2007, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by bulldogg

Rumor ...

Would Apple really release a 3G HSDPA phone in Europe? (I still cannot believe that they didn't do 3G in the States)

newswireless.net .:. News .:. Ignore US launch: European Tri-iPhone ...

Will this be iPhone II?

For Europe? Yes. It won't be iPhone II in the U.S. though. That won't come until next summer. An iPhone Nano is probably next for the U.S.

Trevor Barnes · 07-11-2007, 11:24 AM

Custom ringtones are here, this time by hackers....it''ll probably be in an official update soon...

YouTube - iPhone Ringtones

Fighting With A Vim · 07-12-2007, 07:54 PM

Really frustrated with the Power Support LCD film. The instructions tell you to remove the film from a protective wrapper and then apply it to the iPhone. Well, you're left to guess at which side of the film goes on the iPhone face.

Needless to say, I screwed up... twice. I had a 50/50 shot on each film. Trial and error you ask? I didn't pay attention to which side I had attempted to apply, so I once again had to guess on the second film.

By the way, if you get absolutely anything on the "adhesive" side of the film (dust, cat hair, etc)... you're completely ****ed because there is no way to get it off.

I re-ordered the product and I'm dropping a return in the mail.

It's frustrating because my screen has one tiny little nick so far and I hate the idea it's still vulnerable. Worst ****ing instructions ever

The Case-Mate leather flip case is also garbage.

So basically I spent $50 on these two products and now I have the hassle of returning them

Kenny Powers · 07-12-2007, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Trevor Barnes

For Europe? Yes. It won't be iPhone II in the U.S. though. That won't come until next summer. An iPhone Nano is probably next for the U.S.

WOTS is that the Nano iPhone will have a holiday impact

LA_Spartan · 07-12-2007, 10:44 PM

I've had problems the last few days with my Treo freezing up so I went into the Verizon store tonight. After spending a hour trying different fixes, they replaced the phone for free, even though it was out of warranty, for my patience. (another example of why Verizon has the best customer service).

Anyway, so I start asking them about upgrading my phone and ask how much it would cost to upgrade to an iPhone? Another salesman comes over and shifts into complete anti-iPhone mode. He tells me the cost is ridiculous for what you get and that you can't measure the cost of giving up the greatest wireless network in the world. He then started telling me about how repairs can only be made at Apple stores and if you don't live near one, you're screwed, etc. etc.

Verizon has clearly had training courses in blasting the iPhone.

mrob · 07-12-2007, 10:52 PM

That's because the only Verizon "upgrade" to an iPhone would be leaving Verizon for AT&T.

The Verizon script trashing Apple and iPhone was also leaked on the Interwebs a few weeks ago--most of the major wireless carriers sent prepared scripts and FAQs about the iPhone to each of their brick and mortar stores in an attempt to stop their customers from jumping ship when they realized they couldn't use an iPhone on their networks.

Doesn't look like that strategy worked.

docpjk · 07-12-2007, 10:52 PM

I replaced my treo last week with an iPhone. So far I am happy

LA_Spartan · 07-12-2007, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by docpjk

I replaced my treo last week with an iPhone. So far I am happy

My contract with Verizon ends next February. I'm hoping to switch and get iPhones for my wife and I. Only hitch is her sister in Texas uses Verizon and they probably talk about 15 hours/month in network. We'll have to get her sister to switch too.

Trevor Barnes · 07-12-2007, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by LA_Spartan

Verizon has clearly had training courses in blasting the iPhone.

There was a PDF going around that was an official Verizon document that had all these talking points for customer service reps to use if someone starts talking about iPhones.

Gtarent · 07-12-2007, 11:35 PM

I can understand the attraction of the Iphone, it's a neat device. I don't understand why everyone is lauding it as such a revelutionary device. Touchscreen phones have been around for years. The interface is nice, and the browser is nice, but it doesn't do anything new. There is no integrated GPS, the data speed is weak, and it doesn't support bluetooth stereo headphones. I recently purchased a sprint mogul, and while it isn't perfect I am loving it. My plan smokes the Iplan. Maybe I am missing something, but I don't see what the Iphone has other than a lot more hype.

Trevor Barnes · 07-12-2007, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mrob

That's because the only Verizon "upgrade" to an iPhone would be leaving Verizon for AT&T.

The Verizon script trashing Apple and iPhone was also leaked on the Interwebs a few weeks ago--most of the major wireless carriers sent prepared scripts and FAQs about the iPhone to each of their brick and mortar stores in an attempt to stop their customers from jumping ship when they realized they couldn't use an iPhone on their networks.

Doesn't look like that strategy worked.

You mean LA shouldn't buy Verizon's response to the iPhone....a cell phone designed by Prada?

bighc2000 · 07-13-2007, 01:01 PM

Damn! Switchers indeed. Lots of revenue a churnin'

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iPhone Buyer Statistics, O2 Confirmed for UK?
Friday July 13, 2007 08:53 AM EST
Posted by arn

USA Today reports that early iPhone adopters are overwhelmingly happy with their iPhones.
In one of the first such studies, 90% of 200 owners said they were "extremely" or "very" satisfied with their phone. And 85% said they are "extremely" or "very" likely to recommend the device to others, says the online survey conducted and paid for by market researcher Interpret of Santa Monica, Calif. The firm surveyed 1,000 cellphone users July 6-10.

Of course, early adopters are a special population and may not reflect the satisfaction of later consumers as a whole. Some other interesting statistics that came from the studies are included:

• 51% of buyers were switching to AT&T from another carrier
• 35% of carrier switchers paid an early termination fee (avg $167) to switch
• 3 of 10 were first-time Apple customers.
• for 4 of 10, the iPhone was their first iPod
• New iPhone owners expected to pay about $35 more a month than their previous cellphone.

Meanwhile, Forbes publishes a report that Telefonica SA's O2 mobile phone unit has reached an agreement to become the exclusive network partner for Apple's iPhone in the UK. Sales are reported to begin "shortly". Vodafone had reportedly been a front runner

TurboSpartan · 07-14-2007, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Trevor Barnes

You mean LA shouldn't buy Verizon's response to the iPhone....a cell phone designed by Prada?

I love this post, Trevor, because here's an Engadget article from January 11:
iPhone & LG KE850: separated at birth? - Engadget

And guess what: The LG 850 (Prada) was actually introduced long before the iPhone and had already won design awards at that time. So yes, I spot the similarities. And if it's funny that Verizon is using a Prada-designed phone, it's even funnier that the iPhone is a ripoff of that very Prada-designed phone.

Run that spin a little harder, Trevor.

#5 · 07-14-2007, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Trevor Barnes

There was a PDF going around that was an official Verizon document that had all these talking points for customer service reps to use if someone starts talking about iPhones.

Employees deserve to be trained on delivering absolute truthful facts because the customers deserve the facts.

#5 · 07-14-2007, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by TurboSpartan

I love this post, Trevor, because here's an Engadget article from January 11:
iPhone & LG KE850: separated at birth? - Engadget

And guess what: The LG 850 (Prada) was actually introduced long before the iPhone and had already won design awards at that time. So yes, I spot the similarities. And if it's funny that Verizon is using a Prada-designed phone, it's even funnier that the iPhone is a ripoff of that very Prada-designed phone.

Run that spin a little harder, Trevor.

Now that the gui is a market driver, you'll see a new level of sophistication added to the high end handsets. The iphone is a low end handset with a sophisticated gui. Just wait until some of the more sophisticated technological phones get equipped with a snappy interface.

#5 · 07-14-2007, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Gtarent

I can understand the attraction of the Iphone, it's a neat device. I don't understand why everyone is lauding it as such a revelutionary device. Touchscreen phones have been around for years. The interface is nice, and the browser is nice, but it doesn't do anything new. There is no integrated GPS, the data speed is weak, and it doesn't support bluetooth stereo headphones. I recently purchased a sprint mogul, and while it isn't perfect I am loving it. My plan smokes the Iplan. Maybe I am missing something, but I don't see what the Iphone has other than a lot more hype.

It's a small player in the industry but it is revolutionizing the handset market. The iphone is a low technology device outfitted with a very snappy user interface. The market will react and sophisticated high tech devices will be outfitted with similarly snappy user interfaces and the correction will ensue. After this correction, the iphone will be a niche device.

bulldogg · 07-14-2007, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Gtarent

I can understand the attraction of the Iphone, it's a neat device. I don't understand why everyone is lauding it as such a revelutionary device. Touchscreen phones have been around for years. The interface is nice, and the browser is nice, but it doesn't do anything new. There is no integrated GPS, the data speed is weak, and it doesn't support bluetooth stereo headphones. I recently purchased a sprint mogul, and while it isn't perfect I am loving it. My plan smokes the Iplan. Maybe I am missing something, but I don't see what the Iphone has other than a lot more hype.

Seriously - marketing. Apple is very good at it and they have a very devouted following that would buy anything that Apple puts out and claim it is better.

The UI is an improvement, but that's it. Many other phones do more.

I love seeing Apple in the market, because (as #5 states), it will drive the competition a bit harder to provide a better UI.

Fighting With A Vim · 07-14-2007, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by bulldogg

The UI is an improvement

Understatement of the year

mrob · 07-14-2007, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by TurboSpartan

I love this post, Trevor, because here's an Engadget article from January 11:
iPhone & LG KE850: separated at birth? - Engadget

And guess what: The LG 850 (Prada) was actually introduced long before the iPhone and had already won design awards at that time. So yes, I spot the similarities. And if it's funny that Verizon is using a Prada-designed phone, it's even funnier that the iPhone is a ripoff of that very Prada-designed phone.

Run that spin a little harder, Trevor.

You are delusional if you really think that the iPhone is a rip off of Prada phone.

Its OK not to be an Apple fan boy--which I happily admit to being--but at least get your head out of your arse long enough to see the 2 phones for what they are.

mrob · 07-14-2007, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by #5

Now that the gui is a market driver, you'll see a new level of sophistication added to the high end handsets. The iphone is a low end handset with a sophisticated gui. Just wait until some of the more sophisticated technological phones get equipped with a snappy interface.

We've been waiting for years for a cell phone to have not just a "snappy" interface, but a workable one.

If its so easy to do, why hasn't any other cell phone maker done so until now? And if its so easy to copy Apple's GUI, why hasn't Microsoft been able to do it? And don't say that Vista is an Apple clone. . .

Gtarent · 07-15-2007, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Fighting With A Vim

Understatement of the year

I guess I need to go down to play with one, because while it is slick and shiny I am not sure the gui makes it any more efficient than some of its competitors. Maybe an Iphone owner would be able to give me some examples of how the gui makes the phone more useful. "With my old phone I had to.... while with the Iphone I just..." I love technology, sometimes siding with a product just because its new and exiting, but I just have not understood the love affair with the Iphone. Maybe its just because I came from the PDA world which has evolved into smartphones and converged devices, that many of the "revolutionary" features of the Iphone seem like a rehashing of many of the things I have been doing for years. Ohhh wifi, movies, music, photos, and maps.... I've been doing that since my first Ipaq 7 years ago. If the GUI enhancements make the device easier or faster to use, than they are a great boon, otherwise they are just eye candy. Not to say eye candy isn't cool.... its just not revolutionary.