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[TurboSpartan]

Originally Posted by Trevor Barnes

You mean LA shouldn't buy Verizon's response to the iPhone....a cell phone designed by Prada?

I love this post, Trevor, because here's an Engadget article from January 11:
iPhone & LG KE850: separated at birth? - Engadget

And guess what: The LG 850 (Prada) was actually introduced long before the iPhone and had already won design awards at that time. So yes, I spot the similarities. And if it's funny that Verizon is using a Prada-designed phone, it's even funnier that the iPhone is a ripoff of that very Prada-designed phone.

Run that spin a little harder, Trevor.

[#5]

Originally Posted by Trevor Barnes

There was a PDF going around that was an official Verizon document that had all these talking points for customer service reps to use if someone starts talking about iPhones.

Employees deserve to be trained on delivering absolute truthful facts because the customers deserve the facts.

[#5]

Originally Posted by TurboSpartan

I love this post, Trevor, because here's an Engadget article from January 11:
iPhone & LG KE850: separated at birth? - Engadget

And guess what: The LG 850 (Prada) was actually introduced long before the iPhone and had already won design awards at that time. So yes, I spot the similarities. And if it's funny that Verizon is using a Prada-designed phone, it's even funnier that the iPhone is a ripoff of that very Prada-designed phone.

Run that spin a little harder, Trevor.

Now that the gui is a market driver, you'll see a new level of sophistication added to the high end handsets. The iphone is a low end handset with a sophisticated gui. Just wait until some of the more sophisticated technological phones get equipped with a snappy interface.

[#5]

Originally Posted by Gtarent

I can understand the attraction of the Iphone, it's a neat device. I don't understand why everyone is lauding it as such a revelutionary device. Touchscreen phones have been around for years. The interface is nice, and the browser is nice, but it doesn't do anything new. There is no integrated GPS, the data speed is weak, and it doesn't support bluetooth stereo headphones. I recently purchased a sprint mogul, and while it isn't perfect I am loving it. My plan smokes the Iplan. Maybe I am missing something, but I don't see what the Iphone has other than a lot more hype.

It's a small player in the industry but it is revolutionizing the handset market. The iphone is a low technology device outfitted with a very snappy user interface. The market will react and sophisticated high tech devices will be outfitted with similarly snappy user interfaces and the correction will ensue. After this correction, the iphone will be a niche device.

[bulldogg]

Originally Posted by Gtarent

I can understand the attraction of the Iphone, it's a neat device. I don't understand why everyone is lauding it as such a revelutionary device. Touchscreen phones have been around for years. The interface is nice, and the browser is nice, but it doesn't do anything new. There is no integrated GPS, the data speed is weak, and it doesn't support bluetooth stereo headphones. I recently purchased a sprint mogul, and while it isn't perfect I am loving it. My plan smokes the Iplan. Maybe I am missing something, but I don't see what the Iphone has other than a lot more hype.

Seriously - marketing. Apple is very good at it and they have a very devouted following that would buy anything that Apple puts out and claim it is better.

The UI is an improvement, but that's it. Many other phones do more.

I love seeing Apple in the market, because (as #5 states), it will drive the competition a bit harder to provide a better UI.

[Fighting With A Vim]

Originally Posted by bulldogg

The UI is an improvement

Understatement of the year

[mrob]

Originally Posted by TurboSpartan

I love this post, Trevor, because here's an Engadget article from January 11:
iPhone & LG KE850: separated at birth? - Engadget

And guess what: The LG 850 (Prada) was actually introduced long before the iPhone and had already won design awards at that time. So yes, I spot the similarities. And if it's funny that Verizon is using a Prada-designed phone, it's even funnier that the iPhone is a ripoff of that very Prada-designed phone.

Run that spin a little harder, Trevor.

You are delusional if you really think that the iPhone is a rip off of Prada phone.

Its OK not to be an Apple fan boy--which I happily admit to being--but at least get your head out of your arse long enough to see the 2 phones for what they are.

[mrob]

Originally Posted by #5

Now that the gui is a market driver, you'll see a new level of sophistication added to the high end handsets. The iphone is a low end handset with a sophisticated gui. Just wait until some of the more sophisticated technological phones get equipped with a snappy interface.

We've been waiting for years for a cell phone to have not just a "snappy" interface, but a workable one.

If its so easy to do, why hasn't any other cell phone maker done so until now? And if its so easy to copy Apple's GUI, why hasn't Microsoft been able to do it? And don't say that Vista is an Apple clone. . .

[Gtarent]

Originally Posted by Fighting With A Vim

Understatement of the year

I guess I need to go down to play with one, because while it is slick and shiny I am not sure the gui makes it any more efficient than some of its competitors. Maybe an Iphone owner would be able to give me some examples of how the gui makes the phone more useful. "With my old phone I had to.... while with the Iphone I just..." I love technology, sometimes siding with a product just because its new and exiting, but I just have not understood the love affair with the Iphone. Maybe its just because I came from the PDA world which has evolved into smartphones and converged devices, that many of the "revolutionary" features of the Iphone seem like a rehashing of many of the things I have been doing for years. Ohhh wifi, movies, music, photos, and maps.... I've been doing that since my first Ipaq 7 years ago. If the GUI enhancements make the device easier or faster to use, than they are a great boon, otherwise they are just eye candy. Not to say eye candy isn't cool.... its just not revolutionary.

[TurboSpartan]

Originally Posted by mrob

You are delusional if you really think that the iPhone is a rip off of Prada phone.

Its OK not to be an Apple fan boy--which I happily admit to being--but at least get your head out of your arse long enough to see the 2 phones for what they are.

Apple fanboys have no problem saying the 850 is a ripoff of the iPhone even though the 850 came out months earlier. And you can't ignore the resemblance, but I'm sure the great innovators at Apple have never ripped off anything (see: xerox GUI)

LG Officially Accuses Apple iPhone For “Copying” Prada Concept Design

[bulldogg]

Originally Posted by Gtarent

I guess I need to go down to play with one, because while it is slick and shiny I am not sure the gui makes it any more efficient than some of its competitors. Maybe an Iphone owner would be able to give me some examples of how the gui makes the phone more useful. "With my old phone I had to.... while with the Iphone I just..." I love technology, sometimes siding with a product just because its new and exiting, but I just have not understood the love affair with the Iphone. Maybe its just because I came from the PDA world which has evolved into smartphones and converged devices, that many of the "revolutionary" features of the Iphone seem like a rehashing of many of the things I have been doing for years. Ohhh wifi, movies, music, photos, and maps.... I've been doing that since my first Ipaq 7 years ago. If the GUI enhancements make the device easier or faster to use, than they are a great boon, otherwise they are just eye candy. Not to say eye candy isn't cool.... its just not revolutionary.

Completely agree with you.

[#5]

Originally Posted by mrob

We've been waiting for years for a cell phone to have not just a "snappy" interface, but a workable one.

If its so easy to do, why hasn't any other cell phone maker done so until now? And if its so easy to copy Apple's GUI, why hasn't Microsoft been able to do it? And don't say that Vista is an Apple clone. . .

Not necessarily true. The market never demanded a snappy interface. The market was driven by high technological features. iPhone is the first handset device to make the gui a market driver. Now that it is a market driver, the competition will react.

I don't think you should make a business case about Apple's GUI as being a market driver because Apple owns very little market share in the pc industry. Where you should make the business case in a pc environment is in the e commerce sector. There is serious competition between online retailers and the user interface is a key value driver. There have been several cases where companies see remarkable online sales increases after they upgrade their user interface.

[#5]

Went out this afternoon with some friends. 3 of them had the new iphones. Well, they switched back to Verizon because they were losing out on business and personal opportunities because the service is unreliable, the network speed is slow and, most importantly, they couldn't send/receive text messages.

They decided to keep the iPhone as their ipod but they went back to Verizon for wireless mobile service.

The Verizon guy that took them back said that they are starting to see a lot more of this.

[bulldogg]

Originally Posted by #5

Went out this afternoon with some friends. 3 of them had the new iphones. Well, they switched back to Verizon because they were losing out on business and personal opportunities because the service is unreliable, the network speed is slow and, most importantly, they couldn't send/receive text messages.

They decided to keep the iPhone as their ipod but they went back to Verizon for wireless mobile service.

The Verizon guy that took them back said that they are starting to see a lot more of this.

Sure they did. Again, from what I have seen the service is much better with AT&T - especially in buildings. Verizon seems to have a real problem with that ... anyone else notice that too? Wonder if Sprint or Alltel is the same way (other CDMA providers)?

My wife (a Verizon user that would love to switch back to AT&T - but her work doesn't have a corporate contract with them) is constantly asking to borrow my phone in buildings.

[mrob]

Originally Posted by #5

Not necessarily true. The market never demanded a snappy interface. The market was driven by high technological features. iPhone is the first handset device to make the gui a market driver. Now that it is a market driver, the competition will react.

I don't think you should make a business case about Apple's GUI as being a market driver because Apple owns very little market share in the pc industry. Where you should make the business case in a pc environment is in the e commerce sector. There is serious competition between online retailers and the user interface is a key value driver. There have been several cases where companies see remarkable online sales increases after they upgrade their user interface.

I'm not saying that the GUI is a "market driver"--simply that it won't be so simple for the other cell phone makers to copy it, as no one on the computer side of things has been able to so far.

And BTW. . .what makes you think that the market didn't demand a better GUI? That's like saying the market didn't demand a better mp3 player until the iPod. People don't know what's possible until some company produces a better device.

Now we'll see what happens.

[mrob]

Originally Posted by #5

Went out this afternoon with some friends. 3 of them had the new iphones. Well, they switched back to Verizon because they were losing out on business and personal opportunities because the service is unreliable, the network speed is slow and, most importantly, they couldn't send/receive text messages.

They decided to keep the iPhone as their ipod but they went back to Verizon for wireless mobile service.

The Verizon guy that took them back said that they are starting to see a lot more of this.

I call BS on this.

[haseebo]

Originally Posted by #5

It's a small player in the industry but it is revolutionizing the MP3 PLAYER market. The iPod is a low technology device outfitted with a very snappy user interface. The market will react and sophisticated high tech devices will be outfitted with similarly snappy user interfaces and the correction will ensue. After this correction, the iPod will be a niche device.

Fixed that to remind you who you sound like.

[Ocho Cinco]

I just sat next to someone on a plane that was kind enough to show me his iPhone....UNREAL.

Rarely do I find things that live up to the ype, but this was simply amazing. The resolution on the photos he had and of the web was amazing. The zoom feature - incredible.

Once I get done with my Verizon contract, adios Blackberry (which I love) and hello iPhone (which I desire).

[Fighting With A Vim]

Originally Posted by #5

Went out this afternoon with some friends. 3 of them had the new iphones. Well, they switched back to Verizon because they were losing out on business and personal opportunities because the service is unreliable, the network speed is slow and, most importantly, they couldn't send/receive text messages.

They decided to keep the iPhone as their ipod but they went back to Verizon for wireless mobile service.

Wow, that is some seriously desperate hater bull****

[Gtarent]

Originally Posted by Ocho Cinco