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07-17-2007, 11:19 PM
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I don't agree that the IPhone is a game changer. I think that the interface is a bit better than some others but nothing really revolutionary.
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Your second sentence is the reason for the first.
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07-17-2007, 11:28 PM
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None of my three Windows Mobile devices had a stylus.
My last being a flip phone that was about the same form factor as a RAZR.
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Either way, those same people aren't going to want to use a Windows Mobile interface. It's ok for geeks like us but not nearly intuitive enough for the iPod crowd that basically don't own any other gadgets.
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07-17-2007, 11:37 PM
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Either way, those same people aren't going to want to use a Windows Mobile interface. It's ok for geeks like us but not nearly intuitive enough for the iPod crowd that basically don't own any other gadgets.
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There are several reasons that I would want my old 3125 Windows Mobile device over an iPhone. The thousands of applications available are one of the biggest reasons.
Again, I'll give you that the UI is better, but saying that the iPhone is technically revolutionary is a huge stretch.
People are still amazed that I was able to watch my TV streamed over the Internet to my old WinMo phone. They just didn't know - which brings us back to marketing.
I would imagine that they will eventually make a Slingbox client for the iPhone, but it is already there for the others. (Not for my Blackberry though  )
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07-17-2007, 11:49 PM
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There are several reasons that I would want my old 3125 Windows Mobile device over an iPhone. The thousands of applications available are one of the biggest reasons.
Again, I'll give you that the UI is better, but saying that the iPhone is technically revolutionary is a huge stretch.
People are still amazed that I was able to watch my TV streamed over the Internet to my old WinMo phone. They just didn't know - which brings us back to marketing.
I would imagine that they will eventually make a Slingbox client for the iPhone, but it is already there for the others. (Not for my Blackberry though ) |
You're a geek. I'm a geek. The masses of users who will make the iPhone revolutionary are the users who would never download hundreds let alone 2 apps. Their first exposure to really cool portable video for instance will be on an iPhone or their video iPod. Users who never thought they'd use video on their phones will be on their iPhones. You wouldn't believe how much that feature can impress. These same consumers whose first gadget was an iPod will trust Apple to have created an easy and fun to use interface for the iPhone. They pretty much have.
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07-18-2007, 11:30 AM
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You're a geek. I'm a geek. The masses of users who will make the iPhone revolutionary are the users who would never download hundreds let alone 2 apps. Their first exposure to really cool portable video for instance will be on an iPhone or their video iPod. Users who never thought they'd use video on their phones will be on their iPhones. You wouldn't believe how much that feature can impress. These same consumers whose first gadget was an iPod will trust Apple to have created an easy and fun to use interface for the iPhone. They pretty much have.
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Completely agree ... Apple markets well to the technical novices.
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07-18-2007, 11:45 AM
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Very interesting.
One note I'd like to make is that many of these are small UI issues. I agree with the ones they mention, but it is misleading to say "68 confirmed iPhone bugs", when only a handful are major issues (application crash, functionality failure, etc).
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07-18-2007, 12:02 PM
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Completely agree ... Apple markets well to the technical novices.
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It's not just the marketing though, it's being able to create a UI that the masses will absolutely love to use and almost instantly understand how to use. People seriously underestimate how extremely difficult that is to accomplish. It's a huge technological feat in and of itself. Revolutionary some might even say. 
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07-18-2007, 12:40 PM
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So are these bad lads hard to find or what?
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07-18-2007, 12:44 PM
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Very interesting.
One note I'd like to make is that many of these are small UI issues. I agree with the ones they mention, but it is misleading to say "68 confirmed iPhone bugs", when only a handful are major issues (application crash, functionality failure, etc).
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That is why my comment and the article starts off stating that it is "extremely solid".
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07-18-2007, 12:45 PM
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It's not just the marketing though, it's being able to create a UI that the masses will absolutely love to use and almost instantly understand how to use. People seriously underestimate how extremely difficult that is to accomplish. It's a huge technological feat in and of itself. Revolutionary some might even say. |
We are saying the same thing. They did well with marketing and the UI.
Strictly technically speaking, they are still behind in many areas compared to other smartphones.
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07-18-2007, 12:55 PM
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We are saying the same thing. They did well with marketing and the UI.
Strictly technically speaking, they are still behind in many areas compared to other smartphones.
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When you say "technically" you're referring to hardware I assume. I guess I consider the software/UI part to be "technical" as well. And in that respect, I think Apple is way ahead of the competition already.
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07-18-2007, 02:10 PM
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When you say "technically" you're referring to hardware I assume. I guess I consider the software/UI part to be "technical" as well. And in that respect, I think Apple is way ahead of the competition already.
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The UI is technical, but it is more "how" you do something, not "what" you can do.
For the half-way technical person, you can do more with a Windows/Palm/Blackberry today than you can with an iPhone.
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07-18-2007, 02:17 PM
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For the half-way technical person, you can do more with a Windows/Palm/Blackberry today than you can with an iPhone.
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like VPN access to reboot servers with ssh  very handy on my treo
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07-18-2007, 02:23 PM
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like VPN access to reboot servers with ssh very handy on my treo |
That will likely be coming in future software updates. They already have a remote access app for iPhones/Macs available.
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07-18-2007, 02:27 PM
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For the half-way technical person, you can do more with a Windows/Palm/Blackberry today than you can with an iPhone.
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Very true, but are they things that the masses will miss for instance? I'd wager that the "cool" features that the masses will use 90% of the time are a better experience on the iPhone already: - music
- video
- web surfing
- email (the masses don't need Exchange, but that support is coming soon too)
- Google Maps
- YouTube
- Weather
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07-18-2007, 02:35 PM
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Very true, but are they things that the masses will miss for instance? I'd wager that the "cool" features that the masses will use 90% of the time are a better experience on the iPhone already: - music
- video
- web surfing
- email (the masses don't need Exchange, but that support is coming soon too)
- Google Maps
- YouTube
- Weather
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All of those are also available on the other platforms.
music
Again, Windows Mobile and Blackberries aren't hard, but I'd probably give the edge to the iPhone.
video
What kind of video? Playing movies? Watching TV (Slingbox? RediTV?) Is there any kind of TV for the iPhone?
web surfing
It's Internet Explorer on the Windows Mobile. It doesn't get much easier. I'ver heard that the zoom-in/zoom-out is cool though. But worth it?
email (the masses don't need Exchange, but that support is coming soon too)
This is remarkably easy on Windows Mobile with Outlook. I can't see how it would be any easier on the iPhone.
Google Maps
I gotta believe that this is the exact same on all platforms. Just an icon that I click on to start.
YouTube
Never tried on any platform. Can't comment (but then again since I haven't tried - not sure how important it is)
Weather
There are about a zillion different ways to get your weather on any platform - from dumbly easy to too much data.
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07-18-2007, 02:47 PM
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All of those are also available on the other platforms.
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Yes, but I'd wager that the interface and user experience of all of those are done better on the iPhone. Actually, I already know that's the case from personal use.
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music
Again, Windows Mobile and Blackberries aren't hard, but I'd probably give the edge to the iPhone.
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Hard? No, but there's little doubt that the user experience is much nicer on the iPhone. Not even in the same league. Dare I say, elegant?
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video
What kind of video? Playing movies? Watching TV (Slingbox? RediTV?) Is there any kind of TV for the iPhone?
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Playing movies and Youtube videos. The "masses" don't own Slingboxes. I bet they'll support it in the next year though.
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web surfing
It's Internet Explorer on the Windows Mobile. It doesn't get much easier. I'ver heard that the zoom-in/zoom-out is cool though. But worth it?
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It's not just "easier" but it just plain looks and works better than Pocket IE or Opera Mobile. Zooming in and out is pretty cool too and is effortless.
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email (the masses don't need Exchange, but that support is coming soon too)
This is remarkably easy on Windows Mobile with Outlook. I can't see how it would be any easier on the iPhone.
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I'd say that this category is almost a push, but the integration of the phone's Contact system on the iPhone is very nice.
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Google Maps
I gotta believe that this is the exact same on all platforms. Just an icon that I click on to start.
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It's not actually. The app running on the iPhone was custom made by Apple. Google has even said it was by far the best interface to Google Maps they've seen yet on a portable device. It actually surprised Google how well it worked.
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YouTube
Never tried on any platform. Can't comment (but then again since I haven't tried - not sure how important it is)
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Probably not that important, but the masses will love it and it gives it that "cool" factor.
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Weather
There are about a zillion different ways to get your weather on any platform - from dumbly easy to too much data.
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I think the key is that it's already built in and works very well. You don't need to search for an app to download. I was pleased with the Windows Mobile weather app I ended up with but I had to try three different ones before I found the one I used most of the time.
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07-18-2007, 03:02 PM
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Playing movies and Youtube videos. The "masses" don't own Slingboxes. I bet they'll support it in the next year though.
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But the point is that technically, the iPhone is behind.
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I'd say that this category is almost a push, but the integration of the phone's Contact system on the iPhone is very nice.
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A push?  Please even Apple has recognized that the lack of Exchange integration sets them way behind. If they had this single feature, I would have one right now. (Only because I switch phones every 4-6 months, and I like to try new ones )
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It's not actually. The app running on the iPhone was custom made by Apple. Google has even said it was by far the best interface to Google Maps they've seen yet on a portable device. It actually surprised Google how well it worked.
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I'd have to see it. The Google Maps on the Blackberry is pretty nice though - way better than the TeleNav junk that came with it.
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(youtube) Probably not that important, but the masses will love it and it gives it that "cool" factor.
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I tried. I can't get it to work on the Blackberry. It keeps saying that it needs Flash. Funny, because I thought that the iPhone was lacking Flash too. Must be built into their youtube player thing ... just not in the browser?
Bottom line - for the technically savvy people, you can do everything and a lot more with other devices. Apple did a great job with the UI and marketing the device to bring it more mainstream. And its a great first entry into the market, but face it they are a couple of years behind (time-wise, not technical-wise). I would think they will catch up.
Is it true that you can't text message with those? Or is it just MMS messaging that it lacks?
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07-18-2007, 03:12 PM
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Wow so im downloading itunes  I cant believe how slow it dl off their site.
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07-18-2007, 04:04 PM
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But the point is that technically, the iPhone is behind.
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bulldogg,
If I admit that I'm a helpless Apple fanboy, will you admit that you are a pathological Apple hater, and we can all just get on with our lives?
You keep saying that if iPhone could just do Exchange email you'd have one already. Here you go: More evidence of iPhone's Exchange support and RSS reader - Engadget
Can't wait to see the pix of you and your iPhone!
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07-18-2007, 05:22 PM
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