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[#5]

Originally Posted by ErnieMcCracken

According to Think Secret- Jobs is giving all full time employees at Apple the 8 gig Iphone and part time employees with more than one year of service a Iphone also. Pretty cool gift to show appreciation.

Or boost sales numbers...

I hope my boss doesn't give me a low technology gadget as a bonus. I'd rather have something that has something under the hood.

[PortlandSpartan]

Originally Posted by #5

Or boost sales numbers...

I hope my boss doesn't give me a low technology gadget as a bonus. I'd rather have something that has something under the hood.

You win the "Poster with the most consistent use of the condescending thumbsup smiley" award.

[Trevor Barnes]

Originally Posted by TurboSpartan

OK, so 18000 arp requests per second originating from an iPhone's address is a Cisco issue. Whatever.

Apparently Turbo, according to Duke, yes it WAS Cisco's issue.

Slashdot | Duke Wireless Problem Caused by Cisco, not iPhone

FOXNews.com - Duke: IPhone Didn't Cause Power Outages - Technology News | News On Technology

Duke Resolves iPhone, Wi-Fi Outage Problems

Initial reports of the problem placed the blame for the outages squarely on Apple's iPhones, which flooded the Cisco WAPs (Wireless Access Points) with thousands of address requests per second. However, in a statement released this afternoon, Cisco Systems admitted that the problem was caused by a Cisco glitch.

"Cisco has provided a fix that has been applied to Duke's network and the problem has not occurred since," the statement read. Cisco did not describe what the source of the problem was. Late on June 20, Duke released a statement elaborating on the problem and how it was resolved. "The reality is that a particular set of conditions made the Duke wireless network experience some minor and temporary disruptions in service," said Tracy Futhey, the university's chief information officer, in a statement. "Those conditions involve our deployment of a very large Cisco-based wireless network that supports multiple network protocols. Cisco worked closely with Duke and Apple to identify the source of this problem, which was caused by a Cisco-based network issue," the statement said.

[mrob]

Trevor, please don't confuse Turbo with facts--it spoils his condescending rants about how anything designed by Apple is low-tech crap fueled by slick marketing.

[TurboSpartan]

Originally Posted by Trevor Barnes

Apparently Turbo, according to Duke, yes it WAS Cisco's issue.

Slashdot | Duke Wireless Problem Caused by Cisco, not iPhone

FOXNews.com - Duke: IPhone Didn't Cause Power Outages - Technology News | News On Technology

Duke Resolves iPhone, Wi-Fi Outage Problems

Well, then I was wrong on that one point. But my take in general about the iPhone is NOT wrong. The hype around the phone is nothing more than the product of a marketing blitz. It is NOT revolutionary-many phones play MP3 and video. There are other phones that do more for far less money and some have been out for 2 years.

Reasons I'm not impressed with the iPhone are:

1) No Phone-as-modem feature
2) No Voice Dialing
3) Slow EDGE internet speed
4) No removable battery (send your phone to apple for 3 days if battery dies, hope you didnt have anything personal or confidential on it)
5) Cannot even copy and paste text
6) Screen that gets smudgy
7) Crappy keyboard that takes many clicks just to type symbols/numbers.
8) Cannot even record video
9) No Exchange sync, and no other wireless method to sync appointments, songs, files, contacts or software updates.
10) Price is way too high

Mostly just features other phones have had for years. The iPhone is basically a piece of phone-jewelry that's way overhyped.

[mrob]

Originally Posted by TurboSpartan

Well, then I was wrong on that one point. But my take in general about the iPhone is NOT wrong. The hype around the phone is nothing more than the product of a marketing blitz. It is NOT revolutionary-many phones play MP3 and video. There are other phones that do more for far less money and some have been out for 2 years.

Reasons I'm not impressed with the iPhone are:

1) No Phone-as-modem feature
2) No Voice Dialing
3) Slow EDGE internet speed
4) No removable battery (send your phone to apple for 3 days if battery dies, hope you didnt have anything personal or confidential on it)
5) Cannot even copy and paste text
6) Screen that gets smudgy
7) Crappy keyboard that takes many clicks just to type symbols/numbers.
8) Cannot even record video
9) No Exchange sync, and no other wireless method to sync appointments, songs, files, contacts or software updates.
10) Price is way too high

Mostly just features other phones have had for years. The iPhone is basically a piece of phone-jewelry that's way overhyped.

Nice job pasting one of the "Top 10 Reasons I Hate the iPhone" lists posted all over the Interwebs--very original.

Just admit you hate anything Apple will release so we can determine how objective your posts truly are--at least I admit I'm a hopeless Apple fan.

[Catch22]

Originally Posted by TurboSpartan

Well, then I was wrong on that one point. But my take in general about the iPhone is NOT wrong. The hype around the phone is nothing more than the product of a marketing blitz. It is NOT revolutionary-many phones play MP3 and video. There are other phones that do more for far less money and some have been out for 2 years.

Reasons I'm not impressed with the iPhone are:

1) No Phone-as-modem feature
2) No Voice Dialing
3) Slow EDGE internet speed
4) No removable battery (send your phone to apple for 3 days if battery dies, hope you didnt have anything personal or confidential on it)
5) Cannot even copy and paste text
6) Screen that gets smudgy
7) Crappy keyboard that takes many clicks just to type symbols/numbers.
8) Cannot even record video
9) No Exchange sync, and no other wireless method to sync appointments, songs, files, contacts or software updates.
10) Price is way too high

Mostly just features other phones have had for years. The iPhone is basically a piece of phone-jewelry that's way overhyped.

IANAIPO (I am not an iPhone owner), but fine, I'll reply in order with a mix of sarcastic rhetorical questions and honest ones:

1. Do you still have dial-up service? Really?
2. Have you ever had a phone with voice dialing that truly worked as it should? "Call home." ["Did you say, 'call mom'?"] "No. Call HOME." ["Did you say, 'Call Joan'?"] "NO!"
3. I concede this point and agree that it's odd they used EDGE.
4. Seems not to have been a huge problem for iPod owners thus far and they're how many generations into it?
5. I can't speak to this. Is this from firsthand experience or did you read it in "Bull**** Weekly" magazine?
6. So your phone doesn't get smudges on the screen from simply putting it up to your ear?
7. Have you tried the keyboard yourself? If you have a CrackBerry, were you able to immediately use it and not have some amount of fumbling around?
8. An oversight to be sure. A common feature that really should have been included.
9. Doesn't seem to be a huge issue for the bulk of people to sync with iTunes. Besides that, and here's a point that many MANY people seem to be missing - Apple is not, is not, IS NOT marketing the iPhone at this time to businesses. Besides, there's already evidence that there is Exchange support forthcoming.
10. Agreed, it is very pricey. I believe it's likely to come down in price eventually but c'mon, this thing is for early adopters and as cell phone design goes, the iPhone is a kick in the pants to otherwise complacent manufacturers.

As for "features other phones have had for years" -

• MP3 playback - In order to use it on my phone I have to hack it. No playlist support. What about the Motorola ROKR? Sure it plays music, but nobody wants to bother with it's clunky interface. Moto Chocolate? Can't say for sure, but I bet you $5 there's not another phone out there that can do music as simply as the iPhone can.
• Multi-touch screen - find me another piece of consumer electronics that has it. Please.
• Video playback - on the same scale? Not a chance. A built-in orientation sensor that flips the screen from vertical to horizontal? Anyone else have that?

Mind you some of this stuff isn't earth shattering but my goodness man, have you no pulse?

[misterorange]

So trevor why will it not allow me to download the flash player even though it says it will download a Safari edition?

[bulldogg]

Originally Posted by Catch22

IANAIPO (I am not an iPhone owner), but fine, I'll reply in order with a mix of sarcastic rhetorical questions and honest ones:

1. Do you still have dial-up service? Really?
2. Have you ever had a phone with voice dialing that truly worked as it should? "Call home." ["Did you say, 'call mom'?"] "No. Call HOME." ["Did you say, 'Call Joan'?"] "NO!"
3. I concede this point and agree that it's odd they used EDGE.
4. Seems not to have been a huge problem for iPod owners thus far and they're how many generations into it?
5. I can't speak to this. Is this from firsthand experience or did you read it in "Bull**** Weekly" magazine?
6. So your phone doesn't get smudges on the screen from simply putting it up to your ear?
7. Have you tried the keyboard yourself? If you have a CrackBerry, were you able to immediately use it and not have some amount of fumbling around?
8. An oversight to be sure. A common feature that really should have been included.
9. Doesn't seem to be a huge issue for the bulk of people to sync with iTunes. Besides that, and here's a point that many MANY people seem to be missing - Apple is not, is not, IS NOT marketing the iPhone at this time to businesses. Besides, there's already evidence that there is Exchange support forthcoming.
10. Agreed, it is very pricey. I believe it's likely to come down in price eventually but c'mon, this thing is for early adopters and as cell phone design goes, the iPhone is a kick in the pants to otherwise complacent manufacturers.

As for "features other phones have had for years" -

• MP3 playback - In order to use it on my phone I have to hack it. No playlist support. What about the Motorola ROKR? Sure it plays music, but nobody wants to bother with it's clunky interface. Moto Chocolate? Can't say for sure, but I bet you $5 there's not another phone out there that can do music as simply as the iPhone can.
• Multi-touch screen - find me another piece of consumer electronics that has it. Please.
• Video playback - on the same scale? Not a chance. A built-in orientation sensor that flips the screen from vertical to horizontal? Anyone else have that?

Mind you some of this stuff isn't earth shattering but my goodness man, have you no pulse?

1. You don't apparently understand the option of tethering your phone to your computer.
2. Yes. I don't like the Blackberries as a whole - but their voice dialing is very nice (you don't even have to pre-record anything). I rarely use it - but it works nice.
3. Agreed. I can't believe that Apple didn't build the phone for AT&Ts 3G network.

As for MP3 ability, Windows Mobile phones have been able to do it for years. Blackberries for about the last 3 months.

Video playback - yes. The Windows Mobile phones are ahead. If you just want the eye-candy of the screen flipping - you win.

[Catch22]

Originally Posted by bulldogg

you win.

[TurboSpartan]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/23/te...nw&oref=slogin

[Sagnastys Finest]

Originally Posted by TurboSpartan

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/23/te...nw&oref=slogin

without even reading it i

[Saint Joey]

iDIOTS

[Sagnastys Finest]

Originally Posted by Saint Joey

iDIOTS

no...its morans

but i do see the play on words with yours

[Todd Farkman]

team of computer security consultants say they have found a flaw in Apple’s wildly popular iPhone that allows them to take control of the device.

The researchers, working for Independent Security Evaluators, a company that tests its clients’ computer security by hacking it, said that they could take control of iPhones through a WiFi connection or by tricking users into going to a Web site that contains malicious code. The hack, the first reported, allowed them to tap the wealth of personal information the phones contain.

[Todd Farkman]

Originally Posted by Sagnasty's Finest

no...its morans

but i do see the play on words with yours

[Fighting With A Vim]

Originally Posted by TurboSpartan

24 Days after launch, iPhone flaw lets hackers take over

Originally Posted by The Article

There is no evidence that this flaw had been exploited or that users had been affected.

This is a lot like those reports about newly discovered comets that might hit Earth in 100 years

[TurboSpartan]

Originally Posted by Fighting With A Vim

Quote:

If you don't like the title of the post, don't talk to me- talk to the NY times. I pasted it right from their title, and just linked their article.

Here are some more details on the exploit and how it works: Exploiting the iPhone

[TurboSpartan]

Bad couple days for iPhone - today AT&T finally released the number of opening weekend activations at only 146,000. With most unofficial estimates having been around half a million, this number may put iPhone sales at less than a third of what was thought, and less than a sixth of the number some have reported as Apple's unofficial opening weekend goal.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/24/te...l?ref=business

It also reminds me of some posts from a couple weeks back:

Originally Posted by Trevor Barnes

Getting a half a million new 2-year contracts in one weekend, half of which are new AT&T customers, must really suck for AT&T. For those doing the math, that's about $840,000,000 in service plan revenue for the next two years......all from just one single weekend of sales. That Apple, a billion dollar pain in the ass.

Originally Posted by Trevor Barnes

Well AT&T has gotten around $1 billion in service plan revenue just since the iPhone launched. So far the sales have exceeded early predictions by 2x to 5x. Early estimates were that they'd sell 3 million of them this year and that's not taking into account the quick start. That would be around $5 million in service plan revenue alone.

Originally Posted by Trevor Barnes

So much for people predicting doom and gloom for the iPhone's launch...

Blackfriars' Marketing
Quote:


Estimate puts iPhone sales at 500,000 in opening weekend - Jul. 2, 2007
Quote:

[Trevor Barnes]

Originally Posted by TurboSpartan

Bad couple days for iPhone - today AT&T finally released the number of opening weekend activations at only 146,000. With most unofficial estimates having been around half a million, this number may put iPhone sales at less than a third of what was thought, and less than a sixth of the number some have reported as Apple's unofficial opening weekend goal.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/24/te...l?ref=business

It also reminds me of some posts from a couple weeks back.

Nevermind that AT&T had lots of problems getting hundreds of thousands of people activated those first two days.

Show me some actual sales figures please.

[MattR644]

I'm no Apple apologist, but I feel like any new hi-tech gizmo that's not just a new year's model is going to have some flaws. My old company couldn't even launch a toilet without some bugs that needed to be worked out over the first year.

[TurboSpartan]

Originally Posted by Trevor Barnes

Nevermind that AT&T had lots of problems getting hundreds of thousands of people activated those first two days.

Show me some actual sales figures please.

You think they sold over triple what was activated Trevor?

BTW nice marketing getting rid of my old thread title

[Trevor Barnes]

Originally Posted by TurboSpartan

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/23/te...nw&oref=slogin

I guess people shouldn't take their iPhones into that closed testing laboratory, which is the only place the exploit actually exists. Next you're going to tell me that Pocket IE or Opera's mobile browser don't have security holes as well. Show me any browser and you can find all sorts of exploits reported for it.

Course this one doesn't even exist out in the real world. In reality, it just means that Apple will put out their first patch with new features that much quicker.

[Trevor Barnes]

Originally Posted by TurboSpartan

You think they sold over triple what was activated Trevor?

Don't ask me, ask the analysts. They were the ones that came up with the sales figures, not me.

[TurboSpartan]

Originally Posted by MattR644

I'm no Apple apologist, but I feel like any new hi-tech gizmo that's not just a new year's model is going to have some flaws. My old company couldn't even launch a toilet without some bugs that needed to be worked out over the first year.

Does anyone else remember a phone getting hacked (full control exploit) in the first 24 days?