tOfficial iPhone news and discussion thread

bulldogg · 06-09-2007, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by #5

It will sell good out of the gate for novelty's sake. Let's talk in a year when the demand settles down.

Like EVERY other phone that is released?

bulldogg · 06-09-2007, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Catch22

Absolutely no way the iPhone doesn't have a SIM slot. AT&T/Cingular's network is GSM, and on a GSM network my understanding is that a SIM card is mandatory for that type of network (link, granted it's Wikipedia).

It would be useless to bill the iPhone as a quad-band without a SIM slot - most of the rest of the world uses GSM and hence SIM cards. According to one site (again, take with a grain of salt) indicates that the iPhone has a GSM slot.

I've always been with Verizon so I've never personally dealt with SIMs, but tell me if the slot shown on the Apple iPhone specs page doesn't look like the appropriate place to stick one?

That as my thought initially. However, I guess they could either bury inside the phone so it is not (easily) accessible for people or build it right into the phone.

bulldogg · 06-09-2007, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by TurboSpartan

3) They're clearly not aiming for the enterprise side, regardless of what a couple people have said. Lack of exchange sync precludes that. Lock the topic.

Agreed. Big market that they are leaving out.

Trevor Barnes · 06-09-2007, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by bulldogg

That as my thought initially. However, I guess they could either bury inside the phone so it is not (easily) accessible for people or build it right into the phone.

That's the speculation right now...that it is buried in the North American versions at least. So it's there, just not easily accessible for people to get to.

bulldogg · 06-09-2007, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by TurboSpartan

Another big question mark, where the math gets a little interesting for them: with the edge network, you'll typically be able to download at 80-110k rates, or about 3/4 of a MB per minute. So it takes about 10 minutes to download your average, 7-8MB song. Is that going to be too slow for people? I'm not saying it is, I'm saying I wonder if it is. On Sprint or Verizon, which use EVDO, you could get the same thing in under 2 minutes... would they have been a better choice?

I blame Apple for it as I'm surprised that they didn't build it for AT&Ts 3G network.

Trevor Barnes · 06-09-2007, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by bulldogg

Agreed. Big market that they are leaving out.

Will the iPhone support Exchange Direct Push? - Engadget

Some comments from that story have more info...

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Jobs specifically said that since the iPhone supports IMAP and POP if the IMAP option is selected then it can connect to Exchange.

This is the only way, for the time being, it can connect to Exchange.

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IIRC, when Jobs mentioned Exchange support during the keynote, he followed it up with "via IMAP" or some such disclaimer. As in, "It will support Exchange Server but only if the Exchange server has IMAP enabled."

Trevor Barnes · 06-09-2007, 08:47 AM

iPhone details uncovered in Sales Training Workbook - Engadget

mrob · 06-09-2007, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Trevor Barnes

I guess we'll see what actual reviewers say when they get their hands on it. Should be very interesting. I can't imagine anyone wanting to type a novel on a cell/PDA regardless. Dvorak has always been kinda anti-Apple and predicted bad things when they switched to Intel processors. That's been a huge success so far.

I love how Dvorak uses a 3rd party proxy (his unnamed friend on the phone

) to diss the keyboard and suggest that legions will be returning their iPhones.

What a tool.

mrob · 06-09-2007, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by #5

Yeah...everything is speculation on your part. The phone didn't meet standards. Bottom line.

That doesn't mean it will do poorly in the marketplace. There are a lot of phones that don't meet the high standards of Verizon that do well in the cingular market....Iphones will be that phone for a little while.

Sure. . . and Eva Longoria didn't meet my high standards either, which is why we aren't dating currently.

You =

TurboSpartan · 06-09-2007, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Trevor Barnes

Will the iPhone support Exchange Direct Push? - Engadget

Some comments from that story have more info...

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Jobs specifically said that since the iPhone supports IMAP and POP if the IMAP option is selected then it can connect to Exchange.

This is the only way, for the time being, it can connect to Exchange.

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IIRC, when Jobs mentioned Exchange support during the keynote, he followed it up with "via IMAP" or some such disclaimer. As in, "It will support Exchange Server but only if the Exchange server has IMAP enabled."

POP/IMAP is no substitute for Exchange Sync in an enterprise environment. Period. All it gets you is mail, nothing else.

Big Kahuna · 06-09-2007, 10:23 AM

oh. my. gawd.

is this the most innovative company EVER?

Catch22 · 06-09-2007, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by #5

Yeah...everything is speculation on your part. The phone didn't meet standards. Bottom line.

That doesn't mean it will do poorly in the marketplace. There are a lot of phones that don't meet the high standards of Verizon that do well in the cingular market....Iphones will be that phone for a little while.

Stick to medicine, I'll stick to telecom.

How can you call stuff I posted links to speculation on my part? At least from C-NET, anyway. You've spent years studying biology and the like, I've spent years studying telecommunication companies. Please don't presume to tell me what I do and do not know.

PortlandSpartan · 06-09-2007, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Catch22

Stick to medicine, I'll stick to telecom.

How can you call stuff I posted links to speculation on my part? At least from C-NET, anyway. You've spent years studying biology and the like, I've spent years studying telecommunication companies. Please don't presume to tell me what I do and do not know.

You're spot on. Seems to me that if the problem was that the iPhone was not up to standards Verizon would say that publically since now its at a competitor.

TurboSpartan · 06-09-2007, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mrob

Sure. . . and Eva Longoria didn't meet my high standards either, which is why we aren't dating currently.

You =

I love this post because it comes from a guy who started a thread called "Macs and PCs: Can't we all get along?" Read for yourself:

http://www.spartantailgate.com/forum...ml#post3323516

It contains such pacifistic nuggets as

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Just wondering why every computer related post on tRCMB eventually degenerates into a Mac vs. PC flame war

and

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Why would anybody with a 97-3 advantage be so touchy/defensive/nervous about competition

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Let's hear some real reasons why you're so defensive

Yes indeed, why would someone flame mrob, the benevolent Ghandi of the Mac cause over something as scholarly, constructive and substantive as a photoshopped head-up-the ass picture? He means only to engage in and further the intelligent discourse in this thread! The world knows no justice...

dru · 06-09-2007, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by #5

Yeah...everything is speculation on your part. The phone didn't meet standards. Bottom line.

That doesn't mean it will do poorly in the marketplace. There are a lot of phones that don't meet the high standards of Verizon that do well in the cingular market....Iphones will be that phone for a little while.

Link?

mrob · 06-09-2007, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TurboSpartan

I love this post because it comes from a guy who started a thread called "Macs and PCs: Can't we all get along?" Read for yourself:

http://www.spartantailgate.com/forum...ml#post3323516

It contains such pacifistic nuggets as

and

and

Yes indeed, why would someone flame mrob, the benevolent Ghandi of the Mac cause over something as scholarly, constructive and substantive as a photoshopped head-up-the ass picture? He means only to engage in and further the intelligent discourse in this thread! The world knows no justice...

I'm flattered that you'd spend all this time looking up my old posts, but what does this have to do with the current thread?

Methinks you need a hobby--you've got way too much time on your hands. . .

Also sorry to be the only poster on tRCMB who doesn't meet your standards for pacifism.

Go outside and take a walk.

bulldogg · 06-09-2007, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TurboSpartan

POP/IMAP is no substitute for Exchange Sync in an enterprise environment. Period. All it gets you is mail, nothing else.

Completely agree. Most Exchange installations do not even have IMAP enabled. You nailed it that all you get is mail - my calendar is the most important for me, my contacts is also very nice, and tasks is a plus.

I'm not banging the iPhone - obviously they aren't targeting business users. They apparently don't view the Windows Mobile phones and Blackberries as their competition. More like the enVy-thing.

Salted NutsNE1 · 06-09-2007, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by gHost Spartan

I knew you would take the bait - Actually, a friend of mine who works for Apple say she's going to give me two free iPhones. But I'm planning on selling one of them because I just bought a new Sony Ericsson phone a few weeks ago and I love it.

I'll give you $100 for one.

bulldogg · 06-09-2007, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ignignokt

Maybe I'm missing something, but Mac Mail has a built-in setting for Exchange accounts, and this works perfectly fine for me using my work's Exchange server. Try creating a new mail account in Mail - you will see the options are "POP", "IMAP", and "Exchange."

I'm not familiar with Mac Mail, but is that going to be on the iPhone?

bulldogg · 06-09-2007, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ignignokt

Yeah...Mac Mail is the default mail program in Mac OSX. It is the little stamp they use in the demos.

Is it going to be on the iPhone? With the Exchange option? I've read numerous articles that say the only option is going to be to use IMAP. That stinks.

Salted NutsNE1 · 06-09-2007, 04:26 PM

I beat the crap out of phones. They go in my gearbag with dirt and moisture, they get dropped, AND put in my pocket. That screen looks like it would be scratched to hell after one week of me carrying it around. It's a no-go for me, and I wanted one so bad (iCal, Entourage compatability).

Verizon probably didn't take it because they have higher durability standards, which is smart. It means less warrantee work.

The Great Danton · 06-09-2007, 06:03 PM

I have to admit, the iPhone ads are pretty convincing. If not for the price, I'd buy the phone.

Trevor Barnes · 06-09-2007, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Salted NutsNE1

Verizon probably didn't take it because they have higher durability standards, which is smart. It means less warrantee work.

Sorry man but it's laughable to think Verizon's standards for their phones are any better than anyone else's. They're not. They just didn't want to give up any control in distribution or share a percentage of service revenue. I don't blame them at all for that, but durability standards had nothing to do with it. If it did, they wouldn't be coming out with their own smartphones from fashion houses like Prada. Do you really think Prada makes a more durable phone than Apple?

I agree though, these aren't your typical cell phones and will be as fragile as your average Treo or Blackberry. Insurance on these will be important.

PortlandSpartan · 06-09-2007, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ignignokt

OK...I will say this again as clearly as I know how:

Mac Mail is the default mail program on OSX, and is the program they demo on the iPhone. It supports Exchange, and I use it everyday for this purpose.

Do you think the iPhone version of OSX is going to be the same as the regular OSX? The reports thus far is that Exchange isn't going to be supported. It would then stand to reason that its a stripped down version of Mail.

As with a lot of things with this phone, no one will really know until its released. For the success of the device I hope it supports Exchange.

bulldogg · 06-09-2007, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ignignokt

OK...I will say this again as clearly as I know how:

Mac Mail is the default mail program on OSX, and is the program they demo on the iPhone. It supports Exchange, and I use it everyday for this purpose.

First, I'm not a Mac person and don't know what "Mac Mail" is. Second, you said that it is the default program on OSX. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is not full scale OSX running on the iPhone.

Third, I asked if the Exchange option is supported on the iPhone platform. This would contradict most reports that out there and you still haven't answered that question even when typing in big letters.

Last, you say that Mac Mail has an Exchange option - does this support mail, calendaring, contacts, and task syncing?