tOfficial Jerel Worthy is a Spartan Thread!

[Natron the Spartan]

Originally Posted by nicho197

WVU has offered as well. and yes OSU was going to offer at a later date, but were slow playing him. So, he said f you osu, I'm a !

I dont think OSU was going to offer. They got another Ohio DT that they wanted more alredy and really only have room for 1 this year - they're very tight on schollies.

[pxalpha97]

A big body to plug the holes in the middle. Good Pickup!!!

[Twiggy]

Originally Posted by Natron the Spartan

I dont think OSU was going to offer. They got another Ohio DT that they wanted more alredy and really only have room for 1 this year - they're very tight on schollies.

Obviously, Tressel hasn't learned the Thad Matta Scholarship Method yet - Rookie.

[Natron the Spartan]

Puts us at between 1 and 3 DTs for this class. McDonald is made for Kershaw's replacement so he could move over to DT and Woods is either a NT or Guard. Gotta fill up on big bodies this year - the Oline is woefully thin after Shane, Gyetvai, Masters and Clifford graduate this year.

[spartaspartan]

Originally Posted by Natron the Spartan

I dont think OSU was going to offer. They got another Ohio DT that they wanted more alredy and really only have room for 1 this year - they're very tight on schollies.

OSU got Goebel, they really had no need for Worthy.

Thats not a knock on Worthy, its a compliment to how good Goebel is.

[spartaspartan]

Originally Posted by Natron the Spartan

Puts us at between 1 and 3 DTs for this class. McDonald is made for Kershaw's replacement so he could move over to DT and Woods is either a NT or Guard. Gotta fill up on big bodies this year - the Oline is woefully thin after Shane, Gyetvai, Masters and Clifford graduate this year.

There is talk that McDonald might be a tight end at the next level

[Natron the Spartan]

The more and more I read about the kid, the more I like him. The reports remind me of stuff I read about CL Rucker when we got him late in the process last year. Ohio scouts kept saying how good he was and were dumbfounded that more programs weren't in on him. Sounds familiar. (except for the CB v. DT thing that is)

42. *** Jerel Worthy 6-3 285 DT Huber Heights Wayne

http://www.scoutingoh.com/Jerel_Worthy_Huber_Heights_Wayne.htm

One of those players I saw late in the process who shook up my list. He is a real force in the middle of the line. He does a good job of playing with his pads low but he is so well balanced. Moving Worthy is a real chore. He takes on blockers very well and gets off of them consistently. He has the build of a nose tackle but has the game of a three-technique tackle. He is tough at the point of attack and could play the nose but I think he is at his best attacking. He comes off the ball like a shot and shows good speed once through the line of scrimmage. On one sack he was on the quarterback so fast, even though the passer had made it into his drop, that he could nothing but make sure he did not fumble the ball. He impressed me later with his football smarts diagnosing a screen pass early enough to make the tackle in the backfield. Most high school lineman are not going to recognize that play until the ball is gone. Serious motor on Jerel Worthy. If he were a little bigger he would be another twenty spots higher on this list. Great player.

[The Abbot]

Originally Posted by Natron the Spartan

Puts us at between 1 and 3 DTs for this class. McDonald is made for Kershaw's replacement so he could move over to DT and Woods is either a NT or Guard. Gotta fill up on big bodies this year - the Oline is woefully thin after Shane, Gyetvai, Masters and Clifford graduate this year.

While I don't disagree that we need some OLine recruits in this class, three starters (Martin, Miller and Nitchman) return to next year's line and three other players with game experience (Bacon, Moss and Cironi) will bolster the ranks. Plus, I wouldn't bet against the coaching staff developing a couple of surprises (ala Nitchman and Bacon).

There has been so much focus on the DLine this year, but I think the OLine has performed admirably, especially when considering the injuries to Masters, Gyetvai and Martin.

[Natron the Spartan]

Originally Posted by The Abbot

While I don't disagree that we need some OLine recruits in this class, three starters (Martin, Miller and Nitchman) return to next year's line and three other players with game experience (Bacon, Moss and Cironi) will bolster the ranks. Plus, I wouldn't bet against the coaching staff developing a couple of surprises (ala Nitchman and Bacon).

There has been so much focus on the DLine this year, but I think the OLine has performed admirably, especially when considering the injuries to Masters, Gyetvai and Martin.

Bacon, Moss Cironi? Are you serious? Moss and Cironi haven't played at all this year. Their game experience is from last year - this is an entirely different system.

We need a new LT and LG and you're basiing it on Moss and Cironi? Who after that? By all account Shmeding has been a huge disapointment, and after that there's nothing. They need 5 OL commits this year, especially considering Dumphord left and Ray may never play ball again.

[kgbmsu]

Originally Posted by Natron the Spartan

Bacon, Moss Cironi? Are you serious? Moss and Cironi haven't played at all this year. Their game experience is from last year - this is an entirely different system.

We need a new LT and LG and you're basiing it on Moss and Cironi? Who after that? By all account Shmeding has been a huge disapointment, and after that there's nothing. They need 5 OL commits this year, especially considering Dumphord left and Ray may never play ball again.

Don't forget about Mcgaha.

[Natron the Spartan]

Originally Posted by kgbmsu

Don't forget about Mcgaha.

what about him? he hasn't played a down, he'll be a RS Fresh. Not exactly the type you want to rest your Oline hopes on.

[kgbmsu]

Originally Posted by Natron the Spartan

what about him? he hasn't played a down, he'll be a RS Fresh. Not exactly the type you want to rest your Oline hopes on.

I thought you were talking about depth.

[Natron the Spartan]

Originally Posted by kgbmsu

I thought you were talking about depth.

sure I am, but we need to consider it past next year too. After next year Bacon, Martin and Miller are gone - yikes, that leaves you with not a whole lot to work with.

[wingfanjim]

Originally Posted by Natron the Spartan

sure I am, but we need to consider it past next year too. After next year Bacon, Martin and Miller are gone - yikes, that leaves you with not a whole lot to work with.

In two years, we might be in decent shape with the line...but we also might be in very bad shape as well. A few things have to happen in order to shore things up. First let's look at the depth we "know" will be there.

Seniors:
Rocco Cirroni (probably starter)
Joel Nitchman (current starter)
Mike Schmeding
Brendan Moss

Juniors:
Abre Leggins
Alex Shackleton (current long snapper)

Sophomores:
Joel Foreman (possible starter)
Jared McGaha (possible starter)

Freshman:
John Deyo
Ethan Ruhland
Anthony Woods
plus 2009 recruiting class

All and all, this isn't horrible when you are projecting out two seasons. This, in my opinion is the "worst case scenario". A team with this personnel being successful would almost have to rely on having at least one of the soon to be upperclassmen (Schmeding, Moss, or Leggins) develop into a quality player. I hope it is Schmeding because at 6'8" 315, he's a prototype lineman.

However, there are two key players missing from this list that I made that COULD possibly return from injuries to provide a BIG boost to the offensive line. The first is Jason Diehl. From all accounts he has not taken his injuries lying down. Apparently he is by far the most physically built of all our offensive linemen. If he can recover from his knee troubles, he will be a force.

Secondly, there is Arthur Ray Jr. He will be on campus in January after undergoing treatment for cancer. If his health improves enough, he may yet join the team. Prior to the cancer being found, Ray was considered one of the top linemen in the country. He too can provide depth and even challenge for a starting job.

Is there some cause for concern? Yes, a little, but when all is said and done, I think MSU will do fairly well with this line.

[Natron the Spartan]

Originally Posted by wingfanjim

In two years, we might be in decent shape with the line...but we also might be in very bad shape as well. A few things have to happen in order to shore things up. First let's look at the depth we "know" will be there.

Seniors:
Rocco Cirroni (probably starter)
Joel Nitchman (current starter)
Mike Schmeding
Brendan Moss

Juniors:
Abre Leggins
Alex Shackleton (current long snapper)

Sophomores:
Joel Foreman (possible starter)
Jared McGaha (possible starter)

Freshman:
John Deyo
Ethan Ruhland
Anthony Woods
plus 2009 recruiting class

All and all, this isn't horrible when you are projecting out two seasons. This, in my opinion is the "worst case scenario". A team with this personnel being successful would almost have to rely on having at least one of the soon to be upperclassmen (Schmeding, Moss, or Leggins) develop into a quality player. I hope it is Schmeding because at 6'8" 315, he's a prototype lineman.

However, there are two key players missing from this list that I made that COULD possibly return from injuries to provide a BIG boost to the offensive line. The first is Jason Diehl. From all accounts he has not taken his injuries lying down. Apparently he is by far the most physically built of all our offensive linemen. If he can recover from his knee troubles, he will be a force.

Secondly, there is Arthur Ray Jr. He will be on campus in January after undergoing treatment for cancer. If his health improves enough, he may yet join the team. Prior to the cancer being found, Ray was considered one of the top linemen in the country. He too can provide depth and even challenge for a starting job.

Is there some cause for concern? Yes, a little, but when all is said and done, I think MSU will do fairly well with this line.

well, you found your kool-aid this morning.

Facts are facts. None of these guys are panning out. You're relying on a lot of question marks. Shmeding isn't bending his knees, he's not fitting into the plans. Cironi has fallen out of favor. Shackelton? Are you serious? He's 250 lbs... soaking wet. Diehl and Ray would be a HUGE gain for the interior line, but those are long shots. Moss has played sparingly, but not this year. Foreman and McGaha are freshman, you can't pencil them in as starters - we have no clue if they're any good. We need 2 more OL this year and will get it done.

[spartan80]

Originally Posted by Spartanic

Natron - thanks for the links. Looks like another impressive D Line recruit out of Ohio for .

Did you notice that when they list the schools he was interested in, further down the thread, there was no mention of MSU, but a lot of other pretty good schools? Then at the top of thread, "solid verbal to MSU".

[wingfanjim]

Originally Posted by Natron the Spartan

well, you found your kool-aid this morning.

Facts are facts. None of these guys are panning out. You're relying on a lot of question marks. Shmeding isn't bending his knees, he's not fitting into the plans. Cironi has fallen out of favor. Shackelton? Are you serious? He's 250 lbs... soaking wet. Diehl and Ray would be a HUGE gain for the interior line, but those are long shots. Moss has played sparingly, but not this year. Foreman and McGaha are freshman, you can't pencil them in as starters - we have no clue if they're any good. We need 2 more OL this year and will get it done.

I never mentioned Shackelton as being an actual linemen. I was just listing him because long snapper IS an O line position.

Has Cironi fallen out of favor or is it just that he's a sophomore playing behind more experienced upper classmen?

As far as Kool-Aid goes, the other upperclassmen I mentioned (Moss, Schmeding, and Leggins) I all said they had to show improvement for them to be counted on and that I hoped it was Schmeding because of his measurables.

Now, moving on to your comments about McGaha and Foreman. In 2009 they will be redshirt sophomores. That will be their 3rd year in the program and they have some questionable players above them in "seniority". They will have been with the program long enough by that time for it not to be a shock if they challenge for a starting position. Also, I said POSSIBLE starters. I haven't penciled them into the starting lineup yet.

Lastly, you state that we need two more linemen with this class. I agree with you, but if McGaha and Foreman won't be experienced enough for you by 2009, why would you think that a group of linemen with a year LESS experience would be more prepared? I'm not following your logic on this.

[Scully60]

Originally Posted by Natron the Spartan

Puts us at between 1 and 3 DTs for this class. McDonald is made for Kershaw's replacement so he could move over to DT and Woods is either a NT or Guard. Gotta fill up on big bodies this year - the Oline is woefully thin after Shane, Gyetvai, Masters and Clifford graduate this year.

...or an offensive tackle. If his 5.0 40 is legit, and he has good feet, I could see him replacing Jesse Miller in a couple years.

[Scully60]

Originally Posted by Natron the Spartan

Bacon, Moss Cironi? Are you serious? Moss and Cironi haven't played at all this year. Their game experience is from last year - this is an entirely different system.

We need a new LT and LG and you're basiing it on Moss and Cironi? Who after that? By all account Shmeding has been a huge disapointment, and after that there's nothing. They need 5 OL commits this year, especially considering Dumphord left and Ray may never play ball again.

Way over reacting. Just because a player doesn't play this year, they can't play next year? I'm missing the logic. "This is a entirely different system"? They have learned to run-block in practice. You're suggesting that players from the JLS system can't learn to run block? Sorry, I'm missing your logic again.

[Scully60]

Originally Posted by Natron the Spartan

well, you found your kool-aid this morning.

Facts are facts. None of these guys are panning out. You're relying on a lot of question marks. Shmeding isn't bending his knees, he's not fitting into the plans. Cironi has fallen out of favor. Shackelton? Are you serious? He's 250 lbs... soaking wet. Diehl and Ray would be a HUGE gain for the interior line, but those are long shots. Moss has played sparingly, but not this year. Foreman and McGaha are freshman, you can't pencil them in as starters - we have no clue if they're any good. We need 2 more OL this year and will get it done.

What are you talking about? Freshman and sophomores aren't "panning out"? Since when do guys this young "pan out". They aren't old enough. They aren't strong enough. You are very narrow minded. Let me try to get you to think outside the box. How about these names as future offensive lineman? I know you'll come back and tell me how they "won't pan out", so save it:

Ryan Wheat
Jason Diehl
John Stipek
J’Michael Dean
Patrick Regan
Kevin Pickelman

[Natron the Spartan]

alright guys, let's stop the Oline recruiting now we're all set

[Natron the Spartan]

Originally Posted by Scully60

What are you talking about? Freshman and sophomores aren't "panning out"? Since when do guys this young "pan out". They aren't old enough. They aren't strong enough. You are very narrow minded. Let me try to get you to think outside the box. How about these names as future offensive lineman? I know you'll come back and tell me how they "won't pan out", so save it:

Ryan Wheat
Jason Diehl
John Stipek
J’Michael Dean
Patrick Regan
Kevin Pickelman

You want to rely on converted Dlinemen? Go for it. MD needs to bring in someone that is either a prep or JUCO for the oline so that the younger guys get time to get their feet wet. The young guys now might pan out, they might, but for next year, the O-Line is verrrry thin.

[wingfanjim]

Originally Posted by Natron the Spartan

alright guys, let's stop the Oline recruiting now we're all set

who said anything about stopping recruiting O lineman? All we are saying is that we have some young players on the team now who in a few seasons will potentially be in a position to be big positives for the team while you are are already counting out players who are only SOPHOMORES as being washed up.

[wingfanjim]

Originally Posted by Natron the Spartan

You want to rely on converted Dlinemen? Go for it. MD needs to bring in someone that is either a prep or JUCO for the oline so that the younger guys get time to get their feet wet. The young guys now might pan out, they might, but for next year, the O-Line is verrrry thin.

1. I think he was talking about young players in general, not just on the offensive line.

2. I thought we were talking about 2 seasons from now, not next season. Next year, we we should be ok. We will have 3 returning starters from this year's line. If I were to project a starting line today it would be

T Miller
G Martin
C Nitchman
G Bacon
T Cironi

[Natron the Spartan]

Originally Posted by wingfanjim

1. I think he was talking about young players in general, not just on the offensive line.

2. I thought we were talking about 2 seasons from now, not next season.

Well, 2 years from now too. That'll be a young line, and hopefully they'll be good enough. There wer some bad JLS Oline recruiting years that are nipping us in the butt right now.

You guys are entitled to your opinion, I'll have mine, but I can tell you taht I am not alone in my worries for next year and the year after. Here are a couple of posts that I'll copy and paste from gospartans.net.

JakeGrafton GSN Pro 3176 posts this site Send Private Message	Posted: 10/1/2007 5:09 PM Re: Updated depth chart today The ONLY saving grace about the offensive line injury woes is how much more prepared MSU will be in 2008. Going into the season assuming perfect health, we'd have expected our starting five to be Gyetvai (Sr), Shane (Sr), Masters (Sr), Martin, and Miller, with Clifford (Sr) being the first guy off the bench. The expectation would have been that MSU would only have two experienced linemen as we began 2008. But now, Roland Martin and Jesse Miller will be joined as returning placers with significant starting experience by Joel Nitchman and Mark Bacon, meaning we'll only have one position on the line that we can't fill with an experienced lineman. For those keeping score, the remaining scholarship offensive linemen are (in jersey number order) Rocco Cironi (So), Abre Leggins (Fr), Brendon Moss (So), Joel Foreman (Fr), Jared McGaha (Fr), Mike Schmelding (So), and J'Michael Deane (Fr). So we'll have 11 scholarship offensive linemen, not counting next year's incoming recruits (let's hope we bring in five or six kids, with at least one of them being a junior college guy).
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HR001 Junior 247 posts this site Send Private Message	Posted: 10/1/2007 5:10 PM Re: Updated depth chart today No question. The dirty little secret of MSU football is that the OL in 2008 is going to be very suspect and likely slow to develop. You just cannot have recruiting classed so abysmal at that crucial position. Honestly I wish MSU would land a JUCO stud OL. Next year Nitchman, Martin, Miller and say a prayer.