tOfficial Jerel Worthy is a Spartan Thread!

[Spartan4ever]

Originally Posted by Scully60

What are you talking about? Freshman and sophomores aren't "panning out"? Since when do guys this young "pan out". They aren't old enough. They aren't strong enough. You are very narrow minded. Let me try to get you to think outside the box. How about these names as future offensive lineman? I know you'll come back and tell me how they "won't pan out", so save it:

Ryan Wheat
Jason Diehl
John Stipek
J’Michael Dean
Patrick Regan
Kevin Pickelman

Dean has already been switched to the OL, so that's a gain of one. Don't count on Pickelman moving over anytime soon, Gill really likes this kid at DE so I don't believe he will give him up easily. Don't know about the rest of the group.

As shaky as the OL situation could become, I have to put my faith in Staten and Roushar to develop each and every prospect. These guys saw something in Foreman, McGaha, and Ray that they didn't see in all the linemen who verballed to JLS for the 2007 class but never received an offer from Dantonio's staff. I find that very telling about the evaluation of the line prospects.

With verbals from Deyo, Ruhland and Woods it appears the 2008 class is taking shape. Bennett appears to have cooled on MSU so hopefully this kid Hounshell still has interest. Four OL recruits would be good, five would be better, but I am going to leave it up to the coaches as to who they are going to offer.

[JBSpartan4life]

Originally Posted by Natron the Spartan

well, you found your kool-aid this morning.

Facts are facts. None of these guys are panning out. You're relying on a lot of question marks. Shmeding isn't bending his knees, he's not fitting into the plans. Cironi has fallen out of favor. Shackelton? Are you serious? He's 250 lbs... soaking wet. Diehl and Ray would be a HUGE gain for the interior line, but those are long shots. Moss has played sparingly, but not this year. Foreman and McGaha are freshman, you can't pencil them in as starters - we have no clue if they're any good. We need 2 more OL this year and will get it done.

None of them have even been given a chance by you to pan out. you're giving up on them way to early. How can you honestly say guys who have barely touched the field in their first 2 years are disappointments? I agree we need more, but Dantonio can give a much clearer assessment then you can, and the urgency that he'll go about recruiting O-linemen will show you how he feels about his younger linemen. Oh and btw Leggins,Foreman and Mcgaha have all gotten pretty good reviews from rousher and I wouldn't give up on Cironi yet either. Wisconsin’s starting a rs-freshmen left tackle and he’s pretty damn good, btw Shackleton's just a Long-snaper

[wingfanjim]

Originally Posted by Natron the Spartan

Well, 2 years from now too. That'll be a young line, and hopefully they'll be good enough. There wer some bad JLS Oline recruiting years that are nipping us in the butt right now.

You guys are entitled to your opinion, I'll have mine, but I can tell you taht I am not alone in my worries for next year and the year after. Here are a couple of posts that I'll copy and paste from gospartans.net.

the first post you copied supports our opinion much more than it supports yours. Just and FYI.

As far as the 2nd post is concerned, it isnt all that uncommon for college teams to replace a couple starting linemen every year. Considering the fact that we are returning 3 out of 5 starters, that isn't too bad at all.

[SpartanGA]

Originally Posted by Natron the Spartan

'08 OH DT Jerel Worthy (Michigan State Verbal) - BuckeyePlanet Ohio State Forums

These guys generally know their Ohio recruiting.

Now that is an incredible recruiting discussion board for OSU. Holy cow.

[Natron the Spartan]

Originally Posted by wingfanjim

the first post you copied supports our opinion much more than it supports yours. Just and FYI.

As far as the 2nd post is concerned, it isnt all that uncommon for college teams to replace a couple starting linemen every year. Considering the fact that we are returning 3 out of 5 starters, that isn't too bad at all.

no, it isn't too bad - however, the back ups will be young. Cironi and Moss haven't seen anything this year - so hopefully they can build on their experience from last year.

There are enough bodies, my point is, they may not be good enough.

[Natron the Spartan]

Originally Posted by smithsonga

Now that is an incredible recruiting discussion board for OSU. Holy cow.

Those guys have started a board for every BigTen team too. You can find ours at:

Michigan State Spartans - Recruiting Forums

[wingfanjim]

Originally Posted by Natron the Spartan

no, it isn't too bad - however, the back ups will be young. Cironi and Moss haven't seen anything this year - so hopefully they can build on their experience from last year.

There are enough bodies, my point is, they may not be good enough.

They've played a bit. They were in at the end of the UAB game and they had extensive playing time last season. In all honesty, the experience those two got last season in starting roles is a lot more than most backups get before they take over a position. Both Moss and Cironi will both be in their fourth year of college football next season.

Also, Bacon will probably get one of the two open starting spots for next year. that means Moss and Cironi will be in a position battle for the last tackle spot. Whoever loses will be a quality backup. How often do you get the chance to have a 4 year player in a backup position? Beyond that you'll have Leggins as a 3rd year sophomore (will he improve enough to be counted on?) and then redshirt freshman in McGaha and Foreman.

As it stands for next year, we will be solid with the starting unit and...ok with depth. If Ray and Diehl can returen then our depth will be solid as well.

[Natron the Spartan]

Originally Posted by wingfanjim

They've played a bit. They were in at the end of the UAB game and they had extensive playing time last season. In all honesty, the experience those two got last season in starting roles is a lot more than most backups get before they take over a position. Both Moss and Cironi will both be in their fourth year of college football next season.

Also, Bacon will probably get one of the two open starting spots for next year. that means Moss and Cironi will be in a position battle for the last tackle spot. Whoever loses will be a quality backup. How often do you get the chance to have a 4 year player in a backup position? Beyond that you'll have Leggins as a 3rd year sophomore (will he improve enough to be counted on?) and then redshirt freshman in McGaha and Foreman.

As it stands for next year, we will be solid with the starting unit and...ok with depth. If Ray and Diehl can returen then our depth will be solid as well.

There are bodies, yes, my point is quality of players.

[wingfanjim]

Originally Posted by Natron the Spartan

There are bodies, yes, my point is quality of players.

McGaha was the 67th best tackle in last year's class and the 16th best player in Tennessee.

Foreman was in the top 25 in one of the deepest classes out of the state of Michigan in years.

Cironi was the #31 player in Ohio in the 2005 class and was the #47 tackle in the nation.

Leggins was the #35 Guard in the nation in the 2006 class and was a top 100 player in Florida.

These aren't slouches. Their biggest problem has been a lack of quality coaching here at MSU. Well after a two springs and one fall season under MD I'm sure they will have greatly improved in strength and technique. Don't count them out just yet.

[Mr. Tanfan]

Originally Posted by AvgMSUJoe

Remember when SSPM graded the Hoops team based on shooting around with them at the IM?

That was funny.

No, I don't. But I would expect a social misfit like you to recall such inane things. I mean, this board is all you have. What's it like to be friendless?

[Scully60]

Originally Posted by Natron the Spartan

You want to rely on converted Dlinemen? Go for it. MD needs to bring in someone that is either a prep or JUCO for the oline so that the younger guys get time to get their feet wet. The young guys now might pan out, they might, but for next year, the O-Line is verrrry thin.

It's not about what position a kid plays in high school. It is the skill set they bring to the table, and how that skill set matches with the requirement of the position. With your logic, Kellen Freeman Davis should not play defensive end because he is a tight end. TJ Williams should not play cornerback because he is a wide receiver.

How does a freshman O lineman help the "younger guys get time to get their feet wet." The true freshman will (usually) have to wait two to three years before he is ready to contribute. How does that help the uppper classman?

[Natron the Spartan]

Originally Posted by Scully60

It's not about what position a kid plays in high school. It is the skill set they bring to the table, and how that skill set matches with the requirement of the position. With your logic, Kellen Freeman Davis should not play defensive end because he is a tight end. TJ Williams should not play cornerback because he is a wide receiver.

How does a freshman O lineman help the "younger guys get time to get their feet wet." The true freshman will (usually) have to wait two to three years before he is ready to contribute. How does that help the uppper classman?

A) I'm talking about depth and competition. Further, if you read on you'll find taht I acknowledge those guys are there - I just don't think they're as good as the guys that are coming in now (aka Foreman and McGaha and the Freshmen next year).

B) If you'll brush up your reading comprehension skills a bit more, you'll find that I reference the need to bring in a Prep or JUCO guy to not only add depth, but quality as well.

But of course, we can just rely on guys to move from position to position, that's always the best way to build a team.

[ninowesco]

Originally Posted by Natron the Spartan

A) I'm talking about depth and competition. Further, if you read on you'll find taht I acknowledge those guys are there - I just don't think they're as good as the guys that are coming in now (aka Foreman and McGaha and the Freshmen next year).

B) If you'll brush up your reading comprehension skills a bit more, you'll find that I reference the need to bring in a Prep or JUCO guy to not only add depth, but quality as well.

But of course, we can just rely on guys to move from position to position, that's always the best way to build a team.

right. they (as in the paid coaches with years of experience) should build the team by listening to you.

[Natron the Spartan]

Originally Posted by ninowesco

right. they (as in the paid coaches with years of experience) should build the team by listening to you.

This is easily the worst post on this board (minus all Blanch's contributions). If we couldn't give our opinion, this ****ing board wouldn't exist. I hope you never give you opinion about MSU athletics b/c that'll make you a hypocrit.

Next time, I'll refrain from my opinion, and I'll refrain from providing you guys the information about Jerel Worthy as well - I can see you're more than ok with your own opinion on everything in life.

And I hate to break it to you, but JLS and crew had years of experience as well - how'd that go?

[Green Buzz]

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I thought only I knew stupid trivia like this

[Scully60]

Originally Posted by wingfanjim

As it stands for next year, we will be solid with the starting unit and...ok with depth. If Ray and Diehl can returen then our depth will be solid as well.

What do we currently know about Diehl's health? I thought he was going to be a stud when he first arrived at MSU (Huge benchpress etc.).

[Gods03]

Originally Posted by ninowesco

right. they (as in the paid coaches with years of experience) should build the team by listening to you.

Originally Posted by Natron the Spartan

This is easily the worst post on this board (minus all Blanch's contributions). If we couldn't give our opinion, this ****ing board wouldn't exist. I hope you never give you opinion about MSU athletics b/c that'll make you a hypocrit.

Next time, I'll refrain from my opinion, and I'll refrain from providing you guys the information about Jerel Worthy as well - I can see you're more than ok with your own opinion on everything in life.

And I hate to break it to you, but JLS and crew had years of experience as well - how'd that go?

[Scully60]

Originally Posted by Natron the Spartan

There are bodies, yes, my point is quality of players.

Are you a manger, or ballboy, or on the training staff, or grad assistant? Do you attend practices? How do you know ANYTHING about the "quality" of back-up players??

[ninowesco]

Originally Posted by Natron the Spartan

This is easily the worst post on this board (minus all Blanch's contributions). If we couldn't give our opinion, this ****ing board wouldn't exist. I hope you never give you opinion about MSU athletics b/c that'll make you a hypocrit.

Next time, I'll refrain from my opinion, and I'll refrain from providing you guys the information about Jerel Worthy as well - I can see you're more than ok with your own opinion on everything in life.

And I hate to break it to you, but JLS and crew had years of experience as well - how'd that go?

I'll stop making such posts as soon as you admit that you don't know jack about the back-up offensive lineman who you've never seen play.

[ninowesco]

Originally Posted by Scully60

Are you a manger, or ballboy, or on the training staff, or grad assistant? Do you attend practices? How do you know ANYTHING about the quality of back-up players??

wow, solid post

[Scully60]

Originally Posted by wingfanjim

McGaha was the 67th best tackle in last year's class and the 16th best player in Tennessee.

Foreman was in the top 25 in one of the deepest classes out of the state of Michigan in years.

Cironi was the #31 player in Ohio in the 2005 class and was the #47 tackle in the nation.

Leggins was the #35 Guard in the nation in the 2006 class and was a top 100 player in Florida.

These aren't slouches. Their biggest problem has been a lack of quality coaching here at MSU. Well after a two springs and one fall season under MD I'm sure they will have greatly improved in strength and technique. Don't count them out just yet.

Dantonio has been quoted as saying Stoutland did a nice job with this group. Coaching hasn't been the problem. They needed to learn how to run block, after years of zone blocking and pass blocking.

[Scully60]

Originally Posted by Natron the Spartan

I reference the need to bring in a Prep or JUCO guy to not only add depth, but quality as well.

But of course, we can just rely on guys to move from position to position, that's always the best way to build a team.

So you are suggesting Prep School and JUCO guys are the best way to build a team??

[Scully60]

Originally Posted by Natron the Spartan

If we couldn't give our opinion, this ****ing board wouldn't exist. I hope you never give you opinion about MSU athletics b/c that'll make you a hypocrit.

Next time, I'll refrain from my opinion, and I'll refrain from providing you guys the information about Jerel Worthy as well - I can see you're more than ok with your own opinion on everything in life.
And I hate to break it to you, but JLS and crew had years of experience as well - how'd that go?

Don't fall apart dude. If you are going to post, be ready to have your posts scrutinized, particularly if you are blowing smoke about Spartan sports. Stick to beer threads and your favorite pizza place. Nobody cares what you think then.

[spartanNTX]

Originally Posted by Scully60

So you are suggesting Prep School and JUCO guys are the best way to build a team??

Maybe not the best, but MSU has had a lot of success with JUCO guys in the past

[Randolph Junuh]

Originally Posted by Scully60

Dantonio has been quoted as saying Stoutland did a nice job with this group. Coaching hasn't been the problem. They needed to learn how to run block, after years of zone blocking and pass blocking.

Either way, does Dantonio really seem like the kind of person who would come out and criticize the old staff, say they were horrible, and that they had no idea how to develop players? Whether Stoutland did a nice job or not, I think the answer would be similar to what we heard.