lost. toffical season 4 thread

[Ozymandias]

Originally Posted by Jaxon

I am not sure at all. Just guessing, I want to say Sayid. He is with Jack and Kate now, he has a reason to want to go to LA (Nadia).

That seems to make the most sense to me.

Well, here is why I am so certain (highlight)

Next week is a Sayid-centric episode.

(done with highlights)

[Jaxon]

Originally Posted by Ozymandias

Well, here is why I am so certain (highlight)

Next week is a Sayid-centric episode.

(done with highlights)

Well that makes me a lot more certain in my line of thinking as well.

Any thought on next weeks title

"The Economist"

[Ozymandias]

Originally Posted by Jaxon

Well that makes me a lot more certain in my line of thinking as well.

Any thought on next weeks title

"The Economist"

Maybe his job off the island?

[Mr.T]

Is everyone in agreement that the "backstories" of the helicopter crew are actually "flash forwards"?

The anthropologist was confronted about re-reading the story about the plane, as if she knew there were survivors. The "physicist" was upset about hearing the news. The pilot was sure that the wreckage was not to be believed.

The anthropologist also identified the skeleton pretty damn quick and showed no surprise about finding a polar bear in the desert...as if she had a hand in putting it there.

[Ozymandias]

Originally Posted by Mr.T

Is everyone in agreement that the "backstories" of the helicopter crew are actually "flash forwards"?

The anthropologist was confronted about re-reading the story about the plane, as if she knew there were survivors. The "physicist" was upset about hearing the news. The pilot was sure that the wreckage was not to be believed.

The anthropologist also identified the skeleton pretty damn quick and showed no surprise about finding a polar bear in the desert...as if she had a hand in putting it there.

Eh, I'm gonna say they were flashbacks. Naomi's was a flashback for sure and I see the writers being consistent throughout the episode rather than mixing and matching. Also, Naomi mentioned the found wreckage in season 3 when she landed on the island. Maybe she knew that it was planted and hadn't yet been found??

What I think:

• All 4 of those folks work for Dharma, in some way, shape or form.
• The reason Daniel got upset was because he knew that Dharma was somehow involved in what happened with the plane crashing...or maybe he knew that the survivors were on the island and that some Dharma folks would have to go there--he being one of them??
• Charlotte working for Dharma was probably aware of their time-travel experiments and knew that the polar bear was from these experiments. I'm sure she went directly there because Dharma got tipped off to it being found and she had to go there and try to cover up their involvement somehow (like take the collar off of it).

[Ozymandias]

Oh, and Ben's guy on the freighter? My money says it is Michael.

[DantonIzzo]

This may have been addressed a while back (I just watched the first two episodes tonight -- just haven't had time), but in the opener, when the camps were dividing up, my wife pointed out that Hurley started talking about Charlie as if everyone knew what happened to him. He looked at Jack and started in on the "dying for nothing" bit, but at that point, Jack had no idea Charlie had died or how he died, correct?

I just thought that was a major whiff on the part of the writers, considering only a select few at that point knew Charlie was gone, and even fewer actually knew how he died and for what supposed cause.

[DantonIzzo]

Also, if they only have X number of episodes in the books (8 I think?), this is going to get really effing confusing and then stop again. We're already broadening rather than narrowing down and we're only two weeks into the new season.

[OhioGMSparty]

Originally Posted by DantonIzzo

This may have been addressed a while back (I just watched the first two episodes tonight -- just haven't had time), but in the opener, when the camps were dividing up, my wife pointed out that Hurley started talking about Charlie as if everyone knew what happened to him. He looked at Jack and started in on the "dying for nothing" bit, but at that point, Jack had no idea Charlie had died or how he died, correct?

I just thought that was a major whiff on the part of the writers, considering only a select few at that point knew Charlie was gone, and even fewer actually knew how he died and for what supposed cause.

I thought it was a major whiff on the writers part to have Ben laugh at the Yoda joke that Sawyer made. With Ben being on the island the whole time, it wouldnt have seen stars wars unless they were getting videos from the outside world.

[Madmartigan]

Originally Posted by OhioGMSparty

I thought it was a major whiff on the writers part to have Ben laugh at the Yoda joke that Sawyer made. With Ben being on the island the whole time, it wouldnt have seen stars wars unless they were getting videos from the outside world.

maybe ben is from Dagobah and knew yoda personally

[goState18]

Originally Posted by OhioGMSparty

I thought it was a major whiff on the writers part to have Ben laugh at the Yoda joke that Sawyer made. With Ben being on the island the whole time, it wouldnt have seen stars wars unless they were getting videos from the outside world.

They have, remember when they showed Jack the Red Sox winning the series?

[MikeE]

What's up with the ghost whisperer? Whose house did he get the money out of the wall? Apparently he really does communicate with the dead as he confirmed how Naomi was killed kneeling next to her body too.

[InsideOutSpartan]

My guess as to Ben's "man" on the inside is the girl that he grew up with in Dharma. She wasn't a part of the purge, so Ben may have arranged for her to go back and work for Dharma off the island and then initiated his plan after she left.

[InsideOutSpartan]

Also, Dan Farraday...I don't think he is a physicist in the traditional sense. I think he has some sort of pre-cognitive abilities, similar to Desmond's and that is why he was crying when he saw the wreckage on tv. Just a total stab in the dark though.

[Jovi]

Originally Posted by DantonIzzo

This may have been addressed a while back (I just watched the first two episodes tonight -- just haven't had time), but in the opener, when the camps were dividing up, my wife pointed out that Hurley started talking about Charlie as if everyone knew what happened to him. He looked at Jack and started in on the "dying for nothing" bit, but at that point, Jack had no idea Charlie had died or how he died, correct?

I just thought that was a major whiff on the part of the writers, considering only a select few at that point knew Charlie was gone, and even fewer actually knew how he died and for what supposed cause.

Going back an episode, here's the major whiff that annoyed me:

Locke throws the knife into Naomi, and no one (especially Jack the doctor) checks to see her condition, or maybe just maybe thinks about pulling the knife out of her. So, she lays there dying for what 15? 30? minutes before staggering off into the jungle.

Don't you think that Jack would have at least checked her out. Whatever, who cares.

[MiamiSpartan]

Originally Posted by Ozymandias

Eh, I'm gonna say they were flashbacks. Naomi's was a flashback for sure and I see the writers being consistent throughout the episode rather than mixing and matching. Also, Naomi mentioned the found wreckage in season 3 when she landed on the island. Maybe she knew that it was planted and hadn't yet been found??

What I think:

• All 4 of those folks work for Dharma, in some way, shape or form.
• The reason Daniel got upset was because he knew that Dharma was somehow involved in what happened with the plane crashing...or maybe he knew that the survivors were on the island and that some Dharma folks would have to go there--he being one of them??
• Charlotte working for Dharma was probably aware of their time-travel experiments and knew that the polar bear was from these experiments. I'm sure she went directly there because Dharma got tipped off to it being found and she had to go there and try to cover up their involvement somehow (like take the collar off of it).

A few points on these 4 new people, plus Naomi. When Naomi is talking to the black guy that went to see Hurley, he tells her there are no survivors, but she's worried about coming across them. When she lands, she says that there were no survivors. Yet, as Sayid pointed out (and I thought seemed strange on the finale last season), the rest of the people coming from the boat aren't the least bit surprised to find survivors. Maybe Naomi was lying, but why would she pretend to think there were no survivors, while the other guys don't pretend? Remember, she never told the guys on the boat that they were survivors (only what Jack said, which led to a very un-surprised response). So why do these 4 know about survivors?

And for that matter, why do you send a mild mannered physicist, an anthropologist, and a pilot to go on a potentially dangerous mission to kill/capture someone that they deem very important? Bottom line, there is a LOT more to those 4 than we've seen.

[Jovi]

Originally Posted by InsideOutSpartan

Also, Dan Farraday...I don't think he is a physicist in the traditional sense. I think he has some sort of pre-cognitive abilities, similar to Desmond's and that is why he was crying when he saw the wreckage on tv. Just a total stab in the dark though.

I think that this sounds right.

He seemed kind of kept in the dark about things, so it makes me believe a) he has limited knowledge about exactly what they are doing and b) therefore he's got another specific reason (or ability) for being on the island.

[Jovi]

Originally Posted by MiamiSpartan

A few points on these 4 new people, plus Naomi. When Naomi is talking to the black guy that went to see Hurley, he tells her there are no survivors, but she's worried about coming across them. When she lands, she says that there were no survivors. Yet, as Sayid pointed out (and I thought seemed strange on the finale last season), the rest of the people coming from the boat aren't the least bit surprised to find survivors. Maybe Naomi was lying, but why would she pretend to think there were no survivors, while the other guys don't pretend? Remember, she never told the guys on the boat that they were survivors (only what Jack said, which led to a very un-surprised response). So why do these 4 know about survivors?

And for that matter, why do you send a mild mannered physicist, an anthropologist, and a pilot to go on a potentially dangerous mission to kill/capture someone that they deem very important? Bottom line, there is a LOT more to those 4 than we've seen.

The 4 new people arriving on the island arrived after Naomi and Jack have communicated with the boat, so this probably is why they know there are survivors.

Naomi didn't exactly believe the black guy (can't remember his name) when he said there were no survivors, so she suspected there might be for some reason. Probably because she is more involved with Dharma? than the 4 new arrivals.

[SpartanGal]

Originally Posted by Ozymandias

Oh, and Ben's guy on the freighter? My money says it is Michael.

Ooooo ... nice ... now that I think about it that would be GREAT! And sounds extremely possible...

[Ozymandias]

Originally Posted by DantonIzzo

This may have been addressed a while back (I just watched the first two episodes tonight -- just haven't had time), but in the opener, when the camps were dividing up, my wife pointed out that Hurley started talking about Charlie as if everyone knew what happened to him. He looked at Jack and started in on the "dying for nothing" bit, but at that point, Jack had no idea Charlie had died or how he died, correct?

I just thought that was a major whiff on the part of the writers, considering only a select few at that point knew Charlie was gone, and even fewer actually knew how he died and for what supposed cause.

I think you can assume that information was passed around off-screen. Desmond was with the group and I would think that plenty of folks would have asked him "hey, where's Charlie?"

[InsideOutSpartan]

Originally Posted by Ozymandias

I think you can assume that information was passed around off-screen. Desmond was with the group and I would think that plenty of folks would have asked him "hey, where's Charlie?"

I agree. With how fast-paced this season has already been, I think that is something that they would have taken more time for to drag things out a bit more but now their main goal has just been getting to business.

This season has been ridiculously good so far, IMO. Possibly the best back-to-back episodes yet.