lost. toffical season 4 thread

[wingfanjim]

Originally Posted by SpartanGal

Very true - I was actually very surprised they showed the face and everything - after we figured out the reason why they showed it they could have just shown the hand.

But you're right - no news organization EVER would show something that graphic - hell we get yelled at for showing blood on the ground.

Also, I doubt any remains would have been left. sea life would have had a field day with those corpses.

[Jovi]

Originally Posted by SpartanGal

Very true - I was actually very surprised they showed the face and everything - after we figured out the reason why they showed it they could have just shown the hand.

But you're right - no news organization EVER would show something that graphic - hell we get yelled at for showing blood on the ground.

Maybe it's an alternative world where the broadcast networks have looser guidelines.

[SpartanGal]

Originally Posted by Jovi

Maybe it's an alternative world where the broadcast networks have looser guidelines.

I bet in purgatory the networks can show whatever they want...

[PortlandSpartan]

Originally Posted by Jovi

Maybe it's an alternative world where the broadcast networks have looser guidelines.

Maybe whoever took the enormous amount of effort to cover up the crash paid off the network to run the footage. If you can fake a plane crash you can get some BS footage on the news.

[Scott's $150]

Originally Posted by wingfanjim

Remember that the American Interrogator who worked with Sayid in Iraq and later was the original inhabitant of The Hatch before Desmond got there? Everytime he left The Hatch, he did so in a haz-mat suit.



Well the photo has had to have been in the past 15-20 years. Their is a PC monitor in the background (not plugged in). I think the photo is much more recent than that, however. My guess is that it is off-island someplace.

Looks like an airport to me. If so, it would be nice if we could get a screen shot and blow up of what I believe to be an airplane ticket that the person behind him is holding. Might give us some info.

[JRM]

Originally Posted by lars

I think as others have pointed out that each one of these 4 had prior involvement in Dharma and each one brings some specialized skill that was developed with Dharma and is important to the mission.

Time travel
Speaking to the dead
The highly skilled pilot (to get through the turbulence and land on the island)
seeing the future
Namomi -- skilled in the military to get on the island

I was thinking that Daniel's "super power" is that he is an empath (or he can feel other's emotions around him) Hence he was excessively sad when the plane crash videos were being shown, excessively scared in the helicopter, and could tell right away, that Jack and Kate could be trusted. I think Naomi referred to him as a headcase, which would seen consistant with someone who's emotions were all over the place.

[Jovi]

Originally Posted by JRM

I was thinking that Daniel's "super power" is that he is an empath (or he can feel other's emotions around him) Hence he was excessively sad when the plane crash videos were being shown, excessively scared in the helicopter, and could tell right away, that Jack and Kate could be trusted. I think Naomi referred to him as a headcase, which would seen consistant with someone who's emotions were all over the place.

Yeah, good thought.

[Jovi]

Originally Posted by Scott's $150

Looks like an airport to me. If so, it would be nice if we could get a screen shot and blow up of what I believe to be an airplane ticket that the person behind him is holding. Might give us some info.

Screencaps and Easter Eggs

[DantonIzzo]

Remember the episode long, long ago when Locke ended up with some cult out in the country or something? Was there ever closure to that plotline? I was thinking about that the other night.

[PortlandSpartan]

Originally Posted by Jaxon

The picture to me looked more like a young Eko, but that doesnt make any sense either so I think I am wrong on that.

The drugs also imply some connection to Eko.

[Fletch]

Here's the EW episode review - too long as usual, but with some good stuff:

I have been told by people who also received preview screeners that they thought last night's episode of Lost, ''Confirmed Dead,'' was flawed. The opening-sequence flashback — in which the wreckage of Oceanic 815 was found on the ocean floor — was a narrative cheat because it relied on perspectives not known to its character. Similarly, the moment when sisterless secret agent Naomi recalled receiving her Island infiltration orders from castaway-denier Matthew Abbaddon played fast and loose with flashback logic because...well, because Naomi was dead. (Maybe consciousness seeps out slowly on Soul Trap Island.) If Frank Lapidus really landed the freighter chopper as he claimed, how come he woke up so far away from it? (Maybe there's a story to be told there.) And come on: Isn't the whole business of Ben manipulating Locke with the promise of Island secrets getting just a little bit old? (Maybe...nah, you're right about that one.)


Bah! Mere quibbles. For me, ''Confirmed Dead'' was downright alive with fascinating new characters, mind-blowing new possibilities, and exciting new theory fodder. Like this one: I am utterly convinced Charlotte Staples Lewis has been to the Island before. Maybe it was her giggly delight as she splashed about in the Island's inland waters. True, the would-be freighter savior (or devil) could have been celebrating the mere fact that she had survived her harrowing arrival. But there was something more to her reaction — something that reminded me of another fantastical tale about an enchanted homecoming. The book is Prince Caspian, by C.S. Lewis, the sequel to The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe. The story starts with a chapter called ''The Island,'' in which the Pevensie kids return to Narnia via a mysterious island marked by ancient ruins and odd creatures. First thing they do: play in the water. Maybe I'm just fishing again. But if you think I'm wrong, then you owe me a better explanation why Charlotte Staples Lewis has been assigned a name so conspicuously similar to the author's unfurled handle, Clive Staples Lewis.

(Don't roll your eyes at me — especially since we're only getting started! I spent 90 minutes researching Apocalypse Now and by extension the complete canon of Heart of Darkness author Joseph Conrad for Lost resonance thanks to Sawyer's snarky ''Colonel Kurtz'' crack. I found some, too: Check out The Shadow-Line, Chance, The Inheritors, and The Secret Agent. And for those who want to take me up on my C.S. Lewis challenge, consider investigating The Space Trilogy. C'mon, people! Support your local library!)

But for the more casual, less geeky Lostophiles who'd rather not engage the show with their English degrees (what else are they for?), the episode was equally worthy of watercooler kibitzing. For example, it looks like a monster more troublesome than Smokey might be setting its sights on the castaways — a certain green-eyed bugger named jealousy. The Jack-Kate-Juliet love triangle began to simmer anew. Ben mercilessly taunted Sawyer by poking at his I'm-not-as-good-as-Jack sore spots. And Locke was quietly rocked by Hurley's disclosure that he, too, could dial up Jacob's ghost shack. I don't think Mr. Mystic likes having to share the office of Island high priest with anyone. Hurley's recent flash-forward hinted at a looming rift with Locke; might a disagreement over properly interpreting Jacob be the cause?
But topping the talking points list: that WTF? opening sequence, in which remote-controlled cameras belonging to a salvage vessel called Christiane 1 stumbled upon Oceanic 815 — plane, passengers, and all — in the Sunda Trench of the South Pacific. (The backstory for Christiane 1 — which was actually hunting for the Black Rock — was recently told in an online story called ''Find 815.'') Does this wreckage prove that powerful forces are trying to hide the existence of the castaways — or does it prove that we're dealing with alternate-reality theory? Our message boards await your quantum leaps of logic.


They also await your reactions to the Freighter Four, whose imminent arrival in last week's season premiere divided the castaways into two tribes: the Jack Pack, cautiously confident that the freighter is their ticket off the Island, and the freighter-fearing Locke Lot. (Or the Ben Bunch, if you share Sawyer's belief that the seemingly leashed Other is still pulling the strings. Killer line: ''It's only a matter of time before he gets us, Johnny. And I bet he's already figured out how he's gonna do it.''). The Freighter Four fell to earth, like the castaways [or Icarus? Lucifer? David Bowie? Pick one — we're interactive!]; they had to bail after their helicopter encountered electromagnetic turbulence in the airspace around the Island. Lost has sometimes fumbled the needle when injecting new blood into the narrative. (See: the Tailies in season 2, Nikki and Paulo in season 3.) But here, the show has seemingly scored some primo plasma. The casting of Charlotte (Rebecca Mader), Lapidus (the Lawnmower Man himself, Jeff Fahey), Daniel Faraday (an appealingly quirky Jeremy Davies), and Miles Strom (Kenneth Leung, making a strong impression) totally worked for me, while their intriguing backstories left me jonesing for more. And did you notice that each one corresponded to a member of the Fantastic Four, another quartet of curious characters who fell from the heavens after bumping through a weird-science squall of cosmic rays? For purposes of both analysis and recap, let's take each of them in order of appearance:
Name Daniel Faraday
Island introduction Discovered by Jack and Kate in the jungle shortly after Strom shoved his chicken butt from the chopper. (''Hey, genius! Go!'') J&K were clearly puzzled by Daniel's jittery quirkiness — and deeply alarmed by the poorly hidden pistol on his belt and the gas mask in his luggage.
Occupation Socially awkward physicist, though ''physicist'' is too small a word for the eccentric egghead. ''I guess you could call me a physicist,'' he later told Sayid. ''I don't like to be pigeonholed.''
Fantastic Four analogue Reed Richards (Mr. Fantastic), socially awkward physicist, whose body is as elastic as Faraday's view of himself.
Name game Daniel was an Old Testament prophet who survived the lions' den and interpreted dreams for Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon. Michael Faraday was a pioneering scientist in the fields of electricity and magnetism. Remember when Daniel noted how the sunlight ''doesn't scatter quite right'' on the Island? Exactly the kind of anomalous phenomenon Michael Faraday might have noticed.
Backstory intrigue According to Naomi, Faraday is a ''headcase.'' We got a taste of that in his flashback. While watching news coverage of Oceanic 815's (faux?) discovery, Faraday, dressed in jammies and robe, began to tremble with emotions he couldn't explain — as if experiencing a deeply disturbing bout of déjà vu. It reminded me of ''Flashes Before Your Eyes,'' when Island Desmond projected his mind through time and left Flashback Desmond feeling seriously discombobulated. Is Daniel destined to dance the time-warp shuffle, too?

Name Miles Strom
Occupation Ghostbuster + hustler = Ghosthustler! Miles can commune with the spirits of the deceased; he vetted Jack and Kate by psychically interviewing Naomi, whose mortal remains he dismissed as mere ''meat.'' I wonder what Miles is going to make of the holy trinity of Island spectral entities: Jacob, Christian Shephard, and Ghost Walt.
Island introduction Found on the windswept rocks near the shoreline by Jack, Kate, and Faraday. He appeared to be unconscious but was playing possum and popped up with gun drawn. Remember Naomi's dying words last week? According to Strom, ''Tell my sister I love her'' was code for ''Ugh! They got me! Bring weapons!'' Hence, Strom's haughty guardedness.
Name games ''Strom'' is an anagram for ''storm,'' which befits his blustery personality. But ''Miles Strom'' sounds very close to ''maelstrom,'' a wickedly strong whirlpool. (Shall we plum Edgar Allen Poe's ''Descent Into the Maelstrom,'' about a whirlpool that destroys a fishing vessel?) (No, we shall not.)
Fantastic Four analogue Johnny Storm, the hotheaded Human Torch, as fiery as Strom's temper and wit. When Sayid suspiciously inquired as to why Miles and Daniel weren't surprised to find the castaways alive if the outside world considered them dead, Strom sarcastically responded, ''Oh my God! You guys were on Oceanic 815! Wow! That better?'' Even Sayid seemed to smirk at that one.
Backstory intrigue Strom was hired to scare away the ghost of a murder victim (a drug dealer, it seems) who was haunting his grandmother's house. The eerie exterminator plugged in a portable cold generator (chilled air flushes out lurking spirits, according to poltergeist lore), meditated himself into a twitchy state of mind, and then shook down the specter for his secret stash of cash. Surely Dr. Stantz would not approve, though Dr. Venkman might. Creepy, hilarious, so very cool. (Is Scammy Strom greedy enough to resort to grave desecration if Nikki and Paulo blab to him about the diamonds buried with them? Would Lost risk provoking our N&P-hating wrath to tell us that tale?)

Name Charlotte Staples Lewis
Occupation Cultural anthropologist.
Island introduction After her splash-about, Charlotte was discovered by Locke's crew as they were hiking to the old Dharma barracks. She was stunned to find them alive — or at least pretended to be — but then grew weary of Locke's third-degree and bossiness. ''Me Tarzan. Me survive Ben bullet because of missing kidney, convenient plotting, and Magic Healing Island. You White Devil Freighter Woman come to ruin my good thing. You be prisoner and clean the Dharma latrine.'' Then Ben grabbed Karl's gun and shot her. So much for the homecoming party!
Backstory intrigue Bribing her way onto a hush-hush archaeology dig in the deserts of Tunisia, Dr. Lewis discovered a polar bear skeleton (!) and a Hydra Station collar buried in the rocky soil. Charlotte's face lit up; clearly, she had a hunch — and perhaps feverish hope — about what she was going to find. (My skeleton theory: Dharma was using the polar bears as guinea pigs for teleportation and/or time-travel experiments. Why? To invalidate the God-killing theory of evolution by planting false evidence in Earth's fossil record, of course!)
Fantastic Four analogue Susan Storm, the FF's token female, whose ''hard light'' powers were handy for conjuring bullet-repelling shields and making herself invisible. Wanna bet Charlotte is hiding something about herself — something that's right in front of us but we can't see? Something besides a bulletproof vest? More on this in a minute.


Name Frank Lapidus
Occupation Pilot; also ''a drunk,'' according to Naomi. And since he sports the required accessory for spiritually wasted TV boozers — a scruffy beard — she must be right. (But since it's only a small beard, maybe he's only a little boozer.)
Island introduction Found by Jack's crew. Despite the electrical storm, Lapidus managed to land the helicopter, the sight of which caused Jack, Kate, and Sayid to beam like kids on Christmas morning.
Name game Lapidus is a type of granite.
Fantastic Four analogue Ben Grimm, who piloted the team's ill-fated spaceflight through a storm of cosmic rays and was transformed into the sad-eyed, rock-encrusted Thing for his trouble.
Backstory intrigue While watching coverage of the Oceanic 815 salvage, Lapidus became convinced the corpse in a pilot's uniform couldn't really have been the plane's pilot because he wasn't wearing his wedding ring. Of course, we have reason to know he's correct. After all, we saw the pilot get eviscerated by the Monster in the first episode. But how could Lapidus be so certain? Because he used to work with Capt. Seth Norris (Heroes' Greg Grunburg in a still-photo cameo) at Oceanic Airways. Lapidus, in fact, was originally scheduled to sit in Oceanic 815's captain's chair. (Did you try calling the number on Lapidus' TV screen? It's 888-548-0034 — and it works.)

Clearly, the Freighter Four have more secrets to spill, not to mention their own private agendas. But we were told their primary common objective for coming to the Island. Their job — initiated by Abbaddon, the creepy suit who last week harassed Flash-Forward Hurley at the mental hospital — isn't to rescue the castaways but to abduct Ben. (''Their mission is a man,'' to borrow the tagline from Saving Private Ryan, which featured a brilliant performance by Jeremy Davies as a courage-challenged soldier.)

While the Jack Pack wrapped their mind around that revelation, the Locke Lot was on the verge of screwing things up for the Freighter Four by assassinating their quarry. The über-Other begged for his life by pulling the old I'll-tell-you-secrets trick, but Locke called his bluff with a dead-serious question encoded with a slight wink at the audience: ''What is the Monster?'' Ben looked baffled, then said, ''I don't know.'' Locke cocked the gun, and with no choice but to come clean, Ben blurted out Charlotte's complete résumé. How does he know so much about Freighter Girl? ''Because I have
a man on their boat!''

So who could it be? The safe bet would be ex-castaway Michael: If you've been reading the press about the new season of Lost, you know that at some point Harold Perrineau will be returning to the show. But what if Ben's lying? What if his spy isn't a man but a woman — the same woman he just tried to kill? What if he and Charlotte are in cahoots and that shooting business was all a ruse — another move in Ben's 20,000-steps-ahead-of-everyone Island chess game? Theories! I have tons more of them, including the logic-tortured argument that Charlotte is the daughter of Ben's Dharma-days gal pal Annie. (Do the research — they look a lot alike!)

[Fletch]

By the way, did anyone call the Oceanic family member's hotline??? Check it out:

888-548-0034

[PortlandSpartan]

The Fantastic Four analogy is cool.

[MiamiSpartan]

While I think there are definite Dharma elements on the ship (maybe even remnants with a different organization), there are a few things that need explaining:
1) If the Dharma people back home know what Ben did to their people, why did the food drops continue?
2) If Dharma could find the island to drop the food, why couldn't they find the island at any other point for this revenge mission against Ben? Even if they are only having trouble finding the island after the hatch blew up, why did they never go after Ben before that?
3) How did Dharma know about Desmond/Penny? A strong possibility is if Widmore is involved with Dharma, but it still doesn't answer some other questions.
4) How would Dharma know about the survivors? Another clear indication that whoever is on the boat DOES know about the survivors is that it doesn't make sense to send Naomi onto the island to find one person (Desmond) while avoiding everyone else (the Others). It's a lot easier to find a sizeable group (the Losties).
5) Why does the Island tell Locke that these people are a danger to the Losties?

All this adds up to two possibilites. Either Ben is not the REAL mission of these Dharma folks, or it is not a Dharma-run operation at all, but perhaps with some former Dharma people involved.

[MiamiSpartan]

Originally Posted by Fletch

By the way, did anyone call the Oceanic family member's hotline??? Check it out:

888-548-0034

No, but I saw an Oceanic Airlines billboard today! Problem was, someone had put graffiti all over it, so I couldn't read it (plus I was going 75 mph on I-95 and it was a cross read, so I wasn't going to look too closely).

[Jovi]

So, if Charlotte might be Annie's daughter, might she be Ben's daughter as well?

[MiamiSpartan]

By the way, how funny was the scene where the new guys had their guns to Jack and Kate, and Jack said he had his people surrounding them in the woods with guns on them. "How stupid do you think"--BANG.

Extremely similar, if not exactly the same as one of the early run ins with Zeke.

[lars]

Originally Posted by Ozymandias

I don't think any of them have shown the ability to time travel.

The polar bear in the desert seemed to have time traveled and the female (dont know her name) who is on the island was somehow involved with that. So she may not have the 'ability' but may know how its done or been involved in Dharma research on it.